Mitsuki

@Cam: I'm pretty sure that Clarinets can contact anyone, he's just not doing so. And yeah it'd be nice to know when phase ends. I don't think I can give a full proper read before then but at least this way I can organize my time better. @Elieson: I understand that you're mad, and honestly you made me frustrated as well, but arguing more about the same is going to be useless. This is a game where you are supposed to lynch your scumreads, not do things on impulse just to appeal to yourself. I suggest that you start playing it that way.

Elieson dear why do you think I'm rereading the entire thread. I know I need to update my thoughts. Also did you read my role PM? No. So you don't entirely know why I made the decisions I made.

Hey Randa, what do you think about Kirsche?

@Elieson: Because of REASONS. Also I specified I could only target people twice once (pls read my posts). I don't know why scum chose Mancer over someone townier but I know why they'd choose him over town!Clarinets. The first reason is that Clarinets was supposed to be protected by Izhuark, who is either scum (I don't think he is) or potentially mislynchable town. The second is that Clarinets' cop is going to take a while to happen and let's face it, by then it will probably be LyLo. And you know what happens with guilties in LyLo. I can come up with three possible reasons why scum chose Mancer over someone townier, but they're not very conclusive: First is that either Cam/Refa or both are scum and they want to WIFOM. But I am townreading them both, they're probably my strongest townreads right now. Second is that neither of them is scum, but scum want to WIFOM. I guess this is the most likely. Third is that scum didn't realize that the masshook was one shot and they wanted to try killing Mancer or something to stop it, but that would be very dumb. Mancer is not the worst target anyways since, as I've said, he was almost cleared. But he's still a weird kill.

Me neither. Also guess who's going to reread the game instead of replying to more stuff? *Points at self* Clarinets wants us to discuss who he should cop but I think that first it'd be better to discuss if discussing who to cop first is a good idea. There are other options, like having both Clarinets and a townread of his to discuss it privately (and said townread claiming in thread that they're the ones discussing stuff) but I don't know. He's told me a potential target as well as who a couple of his reads are but I'd like to discuss this first (Sorry Clarinets, but yeah. Let me know what you think too!).

Clarinets has contacted me (about two hours ago). I think Refa is town because earlygame I empathized a lot with some of his thoughts, like when he said he was uneasy about voting Freyjadour. I think it's hard for scum to fake stuff that is actual genuine thoughts for town.

Nope I said you were null (I did townread you at some point, but I realized the reasoning was bad and I never posted it in the thread). Also what do you think of the fact that I said that I wasn't suspecting Boron on inactivity because of only D2 and D3, but actually the entire game??? Dude are you even reading my posts.

I think everybody is supposed to have OC with Clarinets but he probably hasn't contacted anyone yet. At least he hasn't contacted me (Clarinets pls talk to me. I love having OC in NOC <3) How the parenthesis says. I talked about how I expected town!Elieson to behave previously, it's similar to what I said but different. Yeah, amazing explanation, but I don't think I can put it into words. For the record, Elieson is definitely not behaving the way I expect him to behave as town, right now he's null leaning scum to me (I keep changing my opinion). You're the only person who has been doing this consistently from the beginning, and in spite of what you've been saying I still find your priorities scummy. Sorry but that's all I can say about the matter. I think talking about this is going to lead nowhere to be honest, feel free to reply if you want but yeah.

##Vote: Kirsche That kill is super weird, even if Mancer was almost cleared. I don't think it changes anything with regards to my reads though. @Elieson: Did you get the part where you had to begin all facts with the sentence "Did you know that anime..."? It was ok to answer, I just didn't want to discuss that stuff at the time. Do you think I'm scum trying to get people to lynch you, then? And if so, why aren't you pushing me? Yeah... except not. Excuses + focusing on replying to people and poking players instead of scumhunting = scum. It's not just that you're avoiding posting, but rather what you are posting while not wanting to post much. Your priorities are off. I think that if you were town, you'd focus more on your reads than now. Who is scum other than Izhuark? How is this even a point. Please answer to what I pointed out and not to the comparison I made, which was only made for the sake of explaining.

Posting from university computers. I should really not be doing this. Vhaltz has done this as well as scum in hopes to be townread. I don't think Kirsche is scummy because of this, obviously, but I think it's a nulltell for players like him. ##Vote: SB

Are people ok with me hammering or should we use more discussion time? I think this is going to be counterproductive on the long term. I'm not even trying to lynch you right now and I will probably not be for a while, when I talked about you it was more like a random comment replying to SB rather than anything else... And if Kirsche doesn't flip scum I would have to reconsider some stuff. I know that associative reads before flips are bad, I even said so myself. Gut is not a shitty reason to lynch people, I lynch people on gut on EM all the time and I'm right. EM is easy, though. I know more stuff has to be considered in forum mafia but I'm also considering more stuff other than gut so don't try to discredit me on this. And to explain this better: As town, I expect Boron to have a somewhat similar attitude to town Elieson (or rather, Boron as town feels like she's determined to bring justice to the game). I don't know about Boron as scum much but now she feels more like a teacher to me. Maybe because she IS a teacher. Man, I am too sleepy to make good jokes. About effort, I am not talking about your effort right now, but rather mostly about your effort in D1. Also it's scummy because I have a feeling that you've been using excuses not to post, and you seem more interested in poking players, answering not so important questions and stuff like that rather than scumhunting. And yeah, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Can we just leave this discussion for when it's relevant, I hate pushing my reads for no reason. @Refa: How would scum benefit from being confscum, even if it meant that they got to kill someone else as well? I don't get how this applies to Izhuark but I think he's town so.

Nah I think your irritation in this case could go either way, I'm not talking about that.

I think the frustration was genuine too. But her reply sounded like they were scumbuddies to me, on gut. Kirsche also acted a similar way towards me in CYOU'RE, where we were buddies. Not like it matters anyways, I think Boron is scummy regardless of that and associative reads should only be considered after flips.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww SB </3 I'm going to miss your posts. Now I'll have to turn someone else into a weaboo. Good thing this setup is 11/3/1 then, I was getting really paranoid about some of my reads. Yeah, I don't think Boron is cleared. I just said that she wouldn't lie about the results as scum, because I think that's the case and so that SB wouldn't try to make this phase a 1 vs 1. After lynching Kirsche I'd probably consider lynching her, just merely on gut and the effort she's put in this game. Also because her reads seem easy to me, and because she looks like Kirsche's most likely scumbuddy on their interactions. I'd try to explain better, but I have an exam in a few hours. I'm not scumreading Elieson anymore (null) but honestly I can't think of anyone who could be the remaining scum right now. I'll have to recheck my reads, just not now. We should make sure that this phase is not longer than 24 hours, otherwise it'll be really demotivating again.

About 5 hours I believe.

dude that's half of the players alive for 3 remaining scum, assuming Michelaar is scum Also if this is multiball at least half of my townreads are actually wrong.

Honestly I don't know. He could be anything, he could be clueless town or scum WIFOMing. I don't see him as SK though, provided what you said about the nightkills that happened. I don't think we can change the lynch given the inactivity, so I prefer not to think about it and wait for the flip. If Michelaar is actually town we lynch SB tomorrow and that's it. I've considered this, and Boron lying about the cop result as a gambit makes no sense. It would be too risky, specially with SB as one of the claimed targets.

actually don't answer, just use it if you block kills and don't use it if you don't

But, you block kills too, right? If so please use it N2

Mancer you should clarify how the roleblock part of your role works

Not only did I get a character (Cupid Kirby), but I also got two fakeclaim characters (Ballon Kirby and Backdrop Kirby), and I was told that neither of them are any of the mystery roles. I'm pretty sure that only the people who got the mystery roles were supposed to get fakeclaim characters, I guess Prims just forgot about writing flavor for Clarinets. Also @mods: Please make sure Izhuark still exists. @Izhuark: You should probably protect Clarinets (SB should confirm if this is a good idea). People are saying that they feel like Elieson is town but I don't really think he's done anything that he couldn't do as scum. I'd still lynch Kirsche over Elieson though, since he's looking like he doesn't care about who he suspects again, more or less like in D1. ... Ok I'll specify the Elieson reads I don't agree with: Why not? He misunderstood his PR for apparently something much worse. Also I had been pressuring him, I wasn't very insistent but I made sure that what I said was aggravating enough. Don't tell me this post wasn't enough to bother him, because the first part of Elieson's catch up talked about it. His rage is obviously real but that doesn't mean he's town raging, he's raged similar ways before as scum. Talking about the current lynch is useless when we have what we've been assuming to be a cop guilty (I think the discussion right now is probably only paranoia, but regardless of that). Clarinets I recommend using links instead of quotes sometimes.

Are you the good guys or the bad guys (the people who kill at night)?

Nevermind I found out myself, I had forgotten Mancer was a miller. But I still think that it's better to use the cop on two other people as if it were comparison cop than waste a cop scan to confirm sanity.

@SB: Clarinet's can't be protected. Izhuark should protect someone who's overall percieved as townie. Also Mancer claimed his role, kind of. He said he's a miller and a mass roleblocker in a post he made but I don't know how that works. @Mancer: specify. I was assuming he was action roleblocker but if for some reason he can roleblock kills he should use his mass roleblock N2.

Votals 2.0, since the mods didn't make votals yet Michelaar (4): Refa, Mitsuki, Mancer, SB Not voting: everyone else There are approximately ??? hours and ??? minutes until phase end. Hammer is 7 votes.