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Oh right only need a third to lynch and not half, that's cool. I'm more inclinced to think Athena is the scummy one tbh but there's merit to seeing who they pick to network. They should totally pick me.

Ok I really don't want to lynch co-networker and Junko isn't happening. ##unvote ##Vote: Bartozio That vote switch looks like scum flailing too. Remember we need a lot of votes to consolidate guys so those sitting on the fence should make their mind up.

Also gonna sheep Refa's logic on the role it's much stronger than I thought in scum's hands. Again it's very provable dunno why JB is criticising that aspect? Oh no we'd have to wait until D3 to lynch if it's fake?

Junko currently has 3 votes along with Bart/Marth so he's as big a wagon as those two.

What about the Junko/me stuff you said you would read later and I asked for opinions of. Junko is a very real wagon with 3 votes don't dismiss it please. Also there's 3 horus left and currently you're getting lynched. I going in the next 30 mins so I'd much rather you claim now. Snike's post is completely unreadable I would liek to know what the scummy stuff in Athena's post is in a tl;dr if possible.

Bart's Athena vote makes me much more unhappy with him, it's a graspy vote made on a big counterwagon (lots of pressure building against Athena the past 24 hours). Criticising someone for their play doesn't mean you find them scummy. Zeus' actions were very anti-town but that doesn't mean I'm scumreading him. His Bibbon stuff is thrown on there, we're talking about one or two lines from Bibbon and while I disagree with Bibbon on Zeus being manipulative I think the comment is made more out of frustration (as is Fable's case on Zeus) than logical thinking and that isn't scummy. I'd almost argue it's townie tbh, scum are much more likely to enjoy Zeus' posts and kinda do what eclipse has done. Don't vig Zeus please guys. I'm only around for the next 90 minutes. Can Junko wagon happen? @eclipse @BBM @Zeus @Bartozio @anyone else not voting Junko. I'd probably vote Bart over Athena right now but I keep flip flopping on Athena, Athena should claim and state their reads. Would like a more general reads spectrum from Bart too. Marth's roleclaim is throwing me through a loop because it's an awful role, almost no town benefit, but it kinda sucks as a scumclaim? He could be hiding something but it's very provable as a role as well.

Here is where I'd post a video of that "too many cooks" skit with the word cooks replaced with posts and everyone's faces turned into avatars, but that is actuallky more effort than reading so imagine that's here and is very funny. Junko comes in and doesn't bother to read my version of events regarding the interpretation of BBM's via comment made at the start of the phase. I'm his biggest scumread for a vote on BBM made at the start of D1 and he clearly has no interest in updating it. All my posts since then have been fine apparently but I'm not convinced he's read them. You can't just say this and get away with it forever. You're not the only one guilty of it but that doesn't clear you. Your comments about eclipse/ weapons and BBM felt like padded stuff added to make the post look more like it wasn't just sitting on me. His Athena suspicion is also based around his play at the start of the phase too. Out of his 4 scum reads, two are based around ED1 play, 1 is an OMGUS and 1 is Bartozio who I don't recall posting in like 10 pages. It is not a good reads post. he's been coasting on tehse reads all phase. Shinori also has been coasting hardcore, constantly trying in vain to get up to date is lame. Would like maybe some more reads because right now his content is focused mostly on responses. He did make a good post against Nightmare though. Bibbon's engagement with the thread feels real and frustration with BBM as well. It's frustrating that he doesn't want to share his thoughts and reasons more though because his stuff on Weapons and his observation of BBM is good. I can understand BBM's viewpoint switch on Zeus though because Zeus' recent content is really crazy to come from scum whereas the earlier stuff was still more plasuibly newbscum (although I do think scum wouldn't behave like Zeus did early either). Athena and Bartozio both fell off the face of the earth. Again none of their content screams that bad. I think Snike is kind of overblowing Athena's early game stuff because Satsuma was being rather retaliatory and it does feel like natural responses. Satsuma going crazy over the "time for redemption thing" and I mean tonally that is nothing to get worked up over. Satsuma's next accusations are kind of OMGUSy too but Athena's unvote and overreaction to the OMGUS are the main points of contention. I'm ok to lynch Athena but would really much rather Junko. Snike is much easier to read than Satsuma though so I'm happier with the slot, he seems interested in forcing reads out of people. Junko usually being flaky and making a large post does not excuse the mediocre content of said posts and I woudl really like it addressed a bit more. It's very frustrating because the people most likely to be lynched are people who I haven't really cared about and while the cases on them are fine I'm just not convinced. Reads list, ordered within tiers: I'll try to read Eury's/JBs posts N1 because I basically just glossed over them.

Ehhhh put eclipse in a tier below Marth I think I'm just getting paranoid over one post of hers.

Ooo Bibbon's engagement effort exploded out of nowhere. It's all focused on Zeus though which is kinda lame, hoping for that mythical long post (cut by BBM looks like I'm not the only one). Also kind of annoyed that he skipped my @ even though he would have got a notification for that. Zeus is playing the most anti-town I've ever seen anyone for years and it's throwing me through a loop. I just can't see why he'd do this as scum. It makes no sense to do this over just coasting surely. Unless eclispe's mayor really made him play his broad hand of a one line case. Surely as newbscum he'd have asked for help from his scumbuddies? He reads as desperate so why would he ignore them out of frustration. Like, what is his thought process as scum right now @Bibbon @eclipse @Vi-astra I really don't like how eclipse kind of nudged Bibbon over the edge into voting. It makes me very uncomfortable all of a sudden with an otehrwise fine slot, she wasn't even voting Zeus at the time she's voting Marth but she doesn't seem interested in that in her discussion with Bibbon unless I missed something. Would like to know her lynch priority for the day right now. FTR the points against Marth are good for the most part and I would like to hear more from Marth, but Marth's Junko case logic is good imo. @BBM @Vi-astra @eclipse what are your thoughts on Marth's actual case on Junko? I don't think it's fair to say that his read on Junko is based around him disagreeing with the case on me. It's more about Junko's wording and half-baked attempts at pushing. I'm null on Shinori until he posts more, his interaction with my BBM case is annoying but not alignment indicative by itself (e.g. with Walrein being obvtown it is not a strong scumtell). He just hasn't done much. I am fairly confident in reading Shinori as scum as I was scumbuddies with him a few games ago so I'm happy to just coast on him until later when I can get a solid meta read. @Nightmare what are your thoughts on Junko? The list post isn't really doing a lot for me. Would like to see some more engagement. I know you say you're not around for discussions but you're not really asking many questions or particularly bold insights and that's more than worrisome. You don't need to be around much to make content. What about Athena's content makes you like him more, what do you make of Weapons' thought process on Athena and why do you disagree (or does it change your mind?) If Animearts/Elieson/earandil are all scum I'm going to implode. People should give a list of their top three people they'd like to lynch today as we're coming up to the 24 hours left mark. Junko > Nightmare >> Marth/eclipse for me. I don't think Marth and eclipse would be scumbuddies though. Still don't think I'm fully happy with my read on Satsuma but again, I just don't get the scummy vibes from their posts. They have been fairly forgettable recently though. I think I'm gonan do what the cool kids are doing and address it after I wake up. Goodnight y'all.

Mmmmmm actually I would lynch Bibbon over BBM after his recent "attempts" at staying up to date.

I feel like Bibbon did more than weapons with his first post as he at least expressed some unique ideas (e.g. fable being town) even if he lacked the reasons. Pressuring him for reasons is fine though (and he should give them @Bibbon). Other than this your reads are very agreeable and the tone of your posts since your first few pages read town, like how you paused before switching to weapons and the progression of weapons as a lynch candidate in your mind. My intial interpretation of your content was such: I would obviously love to see what you think of weapons' recent post though as it is quite good and a lot less buzzwordy in regardes to people being "confrontational". Right now he's very dismissive of who would otherwise be easy mislynches, just look at that Satsuma wagon. The Bartozio read also feels like a natural town retraction of their opinion. he may have made some initial mistakes with the read but his level of interest in inquiring about them still is good. Especially as Bart disappeared and didn't really have memorable content to begin with. ##Unvote What is really annoying is how little people seem to want to comment/draw from it. Shinori just dismissed it and Walrein/Nightmare didn't even comment on it or the resulting cases on me. They don't talk about about what they agree/disagree with and why in terms of logic or whatever. Look at Refa, he has said what he thinks of my interpretation, what his interpretation is (the type of townie he thinks BBM is) and his thoughts on me as a result of that interpretation. That is a very townie analysis. By not even attempting any kind of interaction with that you're avoiding scumhutning/analysis so I want to ask @Shinori @Nightmare in particular why the above interpretation on BBM's actions in the early game is not agreeable, if my case comes from scum and why. Then if you woudl be so kind as to do the same for the cases on me that would be fantastic. Walrein is defo town so it's not enough to convict someone alone but it's annoying. The worst offender is Nightmare who is voting me on gut without making these comments. He has said that he doesn't agree with my case (or isn't convinced at least) but doesn't explain why or why that means I'm scum. He is also voting me only after being prodded which I don't appreciate. Is anyone else scum? Anything on me more than just gut? Moving on the person I actually want to vote most right now is ##Vote: Junko Marth's analysis of Junko's waffly wording is good and I really don't like the way he has sat on me all phase as I'm basically his only read. See his post on page 10, what's there other than me? Is eclipse scummy for those things? Is BBM scummy for those things? @Junk what are your thoughts on Bartozio? On Satsuma? On Refa? On Bibbon? Junko has committed to very little this phase despite making the posts and apparently the reading for otherwise. There was recently a game where I townread basically everyone and narrowed scum down to just a couple of options before it ended with the main lynch candidates being me/this person. There is no reason not to share townreads, not to explain them, not to discuss about them. It's just more stuff to go on in the end. Speaking of do you have any new reads on anyone? Who should we lynch? There's like 24 hours left to determine that. Would scum make this post? @Walrein is this Fable so brazen as scum? Junko > Nightmare >>> BBM right now. I don't really like the main lynch options right now. Didn't really see anythign scummy in Athena's posts or in Satsuma's so maybe I have to analyse cases a bit more. I think Athena's overreacting from their back and forth but not sure about the otehrs. That's the next thing I have to focus on because I'm out of effort.

My b didn't see that part, playing LoL so I'm sure you can understand. Oof the cynicism. The way they posted makes me feel like they are self-conscious abotu it being read as scum last game so I don't see why they would do it again this game. It's possible but I don't think it's super likely and it's not really enough to get my suspicions arised.

Were you not uncomfortable with Refa/Via/Walrein because the hypocrisy of the situation from my eyes was that you found them weird but kept your vote on Rein just like Via did? Again, asking questions is fine but I just didn't like the tone very much. @Refa it felt like he was forcing himself to ask stuff because that's what is expected of him. This is scummy because scum want to look like they're contributing and force stuff to do so. I know it could be town without a foothold but that's just not how it read to me. Would like @Walrein to comment on BBM/me with any thoughts. Shinori also dances around the stuff regarding my case despite having a read on BBM. Normally one would think he would be interested in my case is his main scumread is BBM. Also would like to see if BBM thinks I'm scummy or not and what he makes of this disgusting chainsaw defence Kappa. Not interested in Zeus/Soysoy yet as just because they are newbies who dislike D1 doesn't make them scum. I agree that Zeus' responses are weak, self-centred and barebones but it can come from town without confidence and what he says matches up with that. Less knowledgeable about SoySoy, bit distracted right now. I think I need to read their discussion with Athena more in depth.

He didn't have a read but by commenting on Via and I think eclipse there is something else just like with Via. It's not that he was asking questins it's that it didn't feel like the questions were going to do anything and were made just for the sake of asking questions. He even admitted as such. @Refa: What is scummy about my analysis of his actions? Where is it wrong exactly?

Athena my logic is that scum are more likely to try to fake content, that they are more likely to try and make sure their votes are on someone for "pressure". Do you disagree with that logic? How is it nitpicky and/or is that not what BBM is doing in your opinion? Also tbf to Bibbon the fact that they criticise weapons as well as BBM means it's more than what you're saying it is. Sadly that is one of the many useful features SF has lost in its many "upgrades".

I don't think Athena would play the exact same way ED1 as scum if he got flak for it last game as he seems to remember getting flak and being self-conscious about it.

^^ An interesting take on the "no point in voting on D1" trend we've seen recently to be sure. Still often comes from town though before people get all upset for the 1000th time.

How could you forget our stint as scumbuddies on smogon? I'm hurt. Anyway is Rein the best use of your vote right now? You criticise Via for keeping their vote on RVS yet you're basically doing the same. I also think the way Refa approached this situation ("active players are all townie so I'll sheep one for pressure") is townie but the way you've kinda come in and asked a bunch of questions that you admitted you're doing out of obligation(like with the Via push) just for content looks scummy. This is also different to weapons who has done nothing. ##Unvote ##Vote: BBM @athena_57 Who is scum? Were you mafia last game? You should try voting to test this, I think eclipse was only claiming mayor though and that seems to be everyone else's impression so I doubt it.

Ah but just because 40 > 35 > 30 > 22 doesn't mean 22 isn't too big. What was the largest non-Eimm non-multifaction game ran on this site? This must be up there.

Right 22 people is way too many for a mafia game and we need to thin the herd. My proposal: turbolynch the player list in alphabetical order until the player size becomes remotely reasonable. ##vote: Anime27Arts

Guys did anyone make sure that Omega agreed to sub out and that BBM didn't strong arm his way in to satisfy his unsatiable lust for mafia games?

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Sorry for not being motivated for two whole phases my bad.

By decriminalising more guns/increasing gun control you make it harder to people to access this equipment. If people can't buy the effective, high-quality equiment from stores then they will have to turn to a black market which may be more expensive or have shoddier equipment. This will still reduce the potential for attacks. This may not erase the problem but it will certainly be a start.

Favourite speedrunners? Best speedrunner streams? (Not necessarily the same thing). Do you know/follow Werster/Trihex/DSS/Sylux89?