Jaybee

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death taxes and bart getting lynched

are you guys trying to break the idnsfmm5 record

ayy admittedly once conq went "it's SB/KTS/Refa" my brain turned off because i was so sure kts was scum. until i realised you all were actually discussing the game and that it wasn't over glad i alr caught mack d1 and had a hint of bart d2

ya modconfirmed it just gives role never mind, carry on, pretend nothing happened ##Vote: Baldrick

my role PM says the rolecop item gives your role PM. I assume that includes your alignment. i mean maybe marth messed up lol

ok yeah then refa's role (not alignment) is fine

*vanilla

shinori why did you case kts on D4 if you knew he was deputy

uhhhh rad died d2 d4 was anarchy i don't recall anybody having extra posts

was this ever proven? the 2nd half

yes i know this i was the janitor

I can't promise I will actually have a content post but I know Marth has my sub lined up. If I post it's in 8 hours. ##unvote

Nope my invention is dead and gone Would you have seen something about the deputy in the role pm? rip jan mayor

I don't understand what's the issue here. We're 6/2. We always lynch KTS here for being by fat the most scummy. If by some miracle we're wrong and scum KTS isn't actually lying about everything then we're 4/2. And if we mislynch in that we deserve to lose. Like I think you all are getting yourself wound up and considering stupid dumb scenarios when the most simple and likely option is that kts is lying scum.

Hi I'm the 2nd inventor Gave Shinori a rolecop N1 Athena a roleblock n2 Wanted to give shinori a Lightningrod N3 but got blocked

also i have a hunch on what caused baldrick's action to fail n3 but i'll leave it to the player that i think caused it to claim this. if i'm right then baldrick's role is absolutely confirmed and he's just super unlucky wrt actions. i don't think my role claim is actually super useful to gamesolving outside of this but i'll do it if requested. my brain's basically shut down now and it won't restart unless 2 of kts/refa/baldrick are town.

hi for anyone suspecting conq is scum do you think there is a world scenario where ScumConq outs ScumSB on d4 for super town cred, then mislynches KTS, Refa and Baldrick and wins as the deepest wolf in mafia history because if this is real im quitting mafia no suspicions on the accuracy of Baldrick's role. there is a non-zero possibility that he's scum but i'm not willing to consider that until after we lynch KTS and Refa.

officially going to be subbed out at the end of this phase but tbh this game is over so lol ##Vote: KTS

3/5 hi this is a reminder to consolidate on 1 person so scum doesn't end up turboing somebody because town is divided. obviously this person is sb. I had a post earlier on refa's role being too op as town. perhaps I should have stuck to what rolespec said, I like my rolespec. If by some miracle sb turns out to be town then we auto lunch baldrick and conqueror for lying about their role, eury also. But this isn't happening lol SB today, kts tomorrow, refa d6

2/5 i assume that's a guilty lol, if it is then gj because I thought sb was town based on the end d2 rad interaction. Refa too? If sb is scum kts always dies next. I'm going to sleep soon but can people look at the sb end d2 rxn to Rad's claim and see what he was trying to push? Someone floated the idea of SB knowing it was going to fail. Is there more to it? SB blocks me because I've hardcore crumbed my role and if the specific people I'm crumbing it to didn't get it then

1/5 my action failed last night but i didn't target athena :thinking: and this is going to be a short post because i don't feel so good, mr stark :( tomorrow is also a crazy long day, might not even be home before phase end but i'll try to phonepost around lunch and before dinner. Very little content from Bart outside of two readsposts, D1 and D2. Biggest changes in reads are KTS & Baldrick from town->scumlean (inactivity/coasting), and Refa suddenly going from scummy to towny, detailed below. Bart's D3 only contains responses to Conq, a joke response to KTS, and his Athena case. He actually has... no reactions to KTS or Baldrick after this. Hmm. This... is going much worse than I expected regarding his catchup, I didn't realise he had so little. I suppose I'll have to look at what other people say in response to him, except i might not if i feel tired --- Sieving through all the Baldrick questions. First thing I see is super awkward interactions with KTS (He has KTS as a secondary scumread after Randa & Evan, but never actually cases him aside from saying that he's hard to read and... is this even a scumread? He asks for KTS' thoughts on Eury, and as I recall, KTS had a terribly underexplained read on Eury and Baldrick... says nothing about it. Comment on Bart. I mean... I guess? WRT the Baldrick claim, it's awfully inconvenient that every single one of your actions failed... And I don't understand the actions. Why Eury, when you barely interacted with her N1? I can't actually piece together your N1 reads, so this reads rather dubious. Conq, can you c/d Baldrick's N2, and what's a seer? --- kts is still scum to me because his case on me suddenly develops after i case him, and he refused to answer my question about explaining his scumreads. --- need to reread a shitton of people but that is likely not happening any time soon. will likely be focusing on how this baldrick claim develops since that seems like the topic of the day

doesn't that feed better into a bart/eury scumteam? not wanting to lynch his scummate / taking one for the team by casing someone who's never dying

let's try this again also i found conq's followup to his athena case no need to show it to me now sorry at this point i decided to hyperspeed through the thread. weekends are ass. i feel like Conq is trying to push this Refa read super super hard. Coming up with scenarios for Refa/Bart interactions, the reaction to Shinori's gambit, etc. What exactly is scummy about Refa's being passive wrt his Athena case at end D2? Isn't the right play as both town and scum to push another player as hard as possible, if you're going down that road? Is this poor play, or scummy play? I hve not fully read Conq/Refa and I don't intend to unless I live to D4. Feels like a lot of misrep and mudslinging 'well if you don't believe it then w/e lol' coming from both sides. Take my skimread view as being sheeping whatever SB says about TownRefa. Don't like how Conq waffles on his Ice Sage read when "Ice Sage is new" covers basically all his points about Ice Sage and I feel his D2 post 1 still stands. isn't 'i don't want to die' a reasonable mentality as a newbtown? is this a very roundabout way of using wifom D1 Votals: Thoughts: Scum does not all in on one wagon, they're most likely split 2/1/1 or 2/2. The Rad scum is Bart or Eury, quite possibly both. Innocent Townies and opportunistic scum could have easily been pulled onto Evan wagon because of Universal Townread Via and Evan's terrible play. Most likely scum reads (as of page 25) are KTS and Mack/Elemina/Orihime. (fun fact: I was quickbrowsing 2012 games. 7 years later, Via still gets killed N1. The more things change, the more they stay the same.) super mindmeld with everything here except TownConq fyi Orihime catch up makes me feel better about the slot. I can't get anything particularly alignment-indicative, but I see effort and personal analysis. eury is so angry holy shit Actually, yes, I do want you to explain why and how your reads changed. Because if you're town and not explain your reads, I can't understand you. If you're scum and you don't explain your reads, it's because they're either bad or you don't want to contribute to gamesolving. I thought Of course I push people for not knowing what they're thinking - hell, I get called out for that too often. I did that to Mack/Elemina D2, I did it to Bibbon last game, I'm doing it to you now. I did ask you several questions (read on Refa, justify your Orihime/SB treatment), and your response is to... suddenly develop a scumread on me? How does this even work? Your first comment on me is here which I read as a super lazy low priority scumread backed up by nothing. --- dislike eury's push on shinori's role. he might know he was visited, and a self-watcher doesn't seem like a townie role after... one flip, which is a vanilla??? You have a scumview of Refa's actions in the gambit, but where is the town inconsistency? PEDIT: Found the response. I think Eury's explanation of this gambit is way way too convoluted and desperate. It's dependent on way too many things happening (e.g. Via being cop, town getting hardcore pocketed on it when for the most part, they haven't). --- hi bart what are you doing --- I think SB/Shinori/Refa are all town supporting one another. I don't believe Scumnori and ScumRefa stage that gambit when the most likely candidate for a lynch D2 is TownRad (and if you've successfully pocketed me on this, well played), there's too little reward for too much gain. Townread SB because I don't think ScumSB leaves the possibility of redirecting off the Randa vote end D2. Athena townread also. Snike still totally null, same as Ice Sage. Inconclusive on Orihime. I still haven't gotten to that Baldrick read either, he's unmemorable but like... not in a bad way (for 'bad unmemorable, see Bart). OK with Bart or Eury going. Bart's done nothing to change my mind. I don't just think Eury is wrong about her scumteam, I think it's desperate and isn't being made in good faith. I've made this kind of weird-ass explanations and gambits before as scum, trying to paint other players in a bad light, when it turns out the simplest (and correct) answer was that I was scum all along. Also makes sense if she and Bart are scum together, get pushed as the 2 wagons, and she wants to direct the wagon to somebody else. Need to fully reread Conqueror, there's a lot of little things and inconsistencies that I don't like but am not fully secure in. I'm sure a full ISO will give me a better grip on the slot but there's no time for that now. Don't like KTS also - explained enough on top. ##Vote: Bart

HOLY SHIT CTRL-ENTER IS POST??? ahem. as you can tell. that was intended to be the start of a mega wall.