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  1. It absolutely does not take eight levels to master a class, especially when one of them is Mage, which allows for extra class experience from healing. There are no advanced class masteries worth getting outside of Lifetaker and Renewal. Qualifying for Wyvern Rider at 20 but delaying its actual use for a level or two to finish Pegasus is not a major sacrifice. You can switch back to an intermediate class and act as adjutant for Byleth (or another top unit) to finish off whatever you need if you don’t want to bother using a class in combat. This becomes completely trivial with the Knowledge Gems.
  2. There's a reason why I recommended going through Pegasus Knight. Annette's relic weapon is lighter and stronger if you don’t need the range (and its unique combat art gives +20 might).
  3. One thing I think is being overlooked here is how easy it is to bump up early physical units to respectable levels of bulk by getting C Axes and D Armor. Armored Knight certification instantly grants 12 Def minimum, and for a lot of your units, that will be a boost of somewhere between 1 and 5 Def as long as you’re getting it at level 10. Since pretty much all physical units love going through Brigand, this isn’t even a major opportunity cost for many of them. You can consider going up to C Armor for Weight -3 if the small detour won’t mess up your class route. Aside from that, I’ll point out a couple of build options that jumped out at me because they’re staple Conquest Lunatic cheese builds. They still seem to work well here in Three Houses. 1. Vantage Lysithea pretty much does Vantage + Life & Death Ophelia's thing from Conquest: she has so much Mag that she can reach kill thresholds. Vantage comes quickly because Lysithea can easily do 25 actions with a combination of adjutancy and Soulblade abuse. Rout objectives are mostly restricted to paralogues, but a 1-4 range instant kill unit is spectacular when you need to clear a dozen enemies all at once. You do need to snipe enemy battalion users to have no chance of death, but usually that’s not hard. 2. There are multiple magical units with unspectacular Reason spell lists who work very well with magic weapons in physical classes. Annette is a prime example: she can do something like Mage–Pegasus Knight–Wyvern Rider–Wyvern Lord abusing the Bolt Axe+. Lightning Axe helps conserve Bolt Axe uses until arcane crystals are buyable. She's a lot like Malig Knight Elise. Marianne dearly misses the Arrow of Indra in any route but Crimson Flower, but she can do Mage–Pegasus Knight–Bishop–Mortal Savant. She retains her Physic utility at endgame while patching up her speed, gaining regular foot movement, and wielding Swordfaire Levin Sword+, which is really nice. She also gets her personal sword and its art for boss-killing purposes, or Soulblade with regular swords when you don’t need range. A nice bonus is that Marianne actually gets to use her Crest when she's swinging a magic sword around instead of casting spells.
  4. Blacksmith Rinkah!Midori.
  5. I showed that you can even pull this off with a first-generation unit who has noticeably worse stats. Do you think I didn't notice that Odin requires an extremely specific setup to get there, and that requirements like three silver statues are real obstacles? Ophelia has a bunch of wiggle room because she's just better, and if you read carefully, you'll observe that you can in fact do her whole thing without Corrin, or with a slightly worse mother. Elise!Ophelia's the best one*, so she's the go-to test case whenever the question is, "Can a magic unit one-shot this enemy?" And for her, against every enemy that doesn't have Dragonskin, the answer is always yes. *Corrin!Ophelia can have a better natural cap, but has an appreciable chance of failing to reach her statue-boosted cap even with all five Spirit Dusts. Elise gives a better growth rate, and she is probably the only mother who has a reasonable chance of getting her own Magic stat high enough to pass +1 or +2 to Ophelia via inheritance. Yeah, but that's annoying because then you can't recruit Elise!Ophelia until after chapter 20 or so. The one-shot kill is also trivial for any self-respecting axe unit with access to both Fighter and Wyvern Rider thanks to +12 damage stack. They usually don't have access to Vantage, though, so they can't mow down the entire map by themselves. Units that are doing well in combat duty probably don't need to be promoted super early. You want the people who are doing your main combat duties to continue gaining stats so they can maintain that role for the whole game, so in their case you shouldn't consider promoting until at least level 17 or so. But on the other hand, you shouldn't be afraid that you're going to lose something important if you promote some of your units a few levels early. Some examples of what I've done in my current run: Promoted Nyx to Dark Knight at 11. I wanted her to have the big boost to Defense and mobility so that she would stay useful for a few more chapters in the early game. Promoted Charlotte to Berserker at 13. It was pretty easy to feed her some experience when she joined up because she was under-leveled, but after that point, an early promotion gave her a huge power boost and also made her better at supporting her teammates. Promoted Kaze to Mechanist at 15. Like Nyx, this gave him large bonuses to Def and Mov. Unlike Nyx, I actually planned to keep using him in a big role for a while. However, he was already ahead of the level curve when he re-joined my team. Early promotion didn't have a huge downside because he was gaining reduced experience anyway, and I wanted him to get some nice promoted-class skills earlier. Promoted Mozu to Merchant and Laslow to Hero, both at level 19. These were okay combat units, but I knew they would probably get close to their caps in the classes I planned for them to end in, so there was little downside to skipping level 20. Early promotion gives you instant stat bonuses (and sometimes access to new weapons) in exchange for reduced experience. However, the experience reduction is temporary, and in a certain sense, it reverses itself later on. The way the game works is that when you've promoted, it bases the experience gain formula on a secret "internal level." Normally, for promoted units, their level is effectively their listed level plus 20. If you promote early, instead of adding 20, the game takes the average of 20 and your actual level at promotion, rounded down. For instance, let's say you promote Selena from a level 13 Mercenary to a Bow Knight. At Bow Knight level 1, instead of counting as level 21, she will count as being level 1 + floor{(20+13)/2} = 17. That's four levels lower, and that can make a big difference for the experience scaling system. One effect of this is that it's easier for early-promoted units to reach the powerful level 15 skills in promoted classes. I don't know the exact experience scaling for lower diffculties, so I'll talk about Lunatic. There, a normal level 14 Bow Knight would have to kill a lot of level 10 promoted enemies to hit level 15, because when you're four levels ahead, you only gain 9 Experience per kill. However, our early-promoted Selena who's also at level 14 would get 30 Experience for the same kills, because she counts as a level 10 unit herself. This might translate into having Shurikenbreaker two maps early, while there are only six or seven chapters left in the game. That can be a big deal! I keep mentioning early promotions at odd levels for a reason: the internal level formula rounds down. That means a level 11 early-promotion carries the same internal level (namely 15) as a level 10 one, whereas if you delayed until level 12, that would bump up your internal level by one to 16. In summary: Going up to an odd level: +1 level's worth of stats, -100 EXP Going up to an even level: +1 level's worth of stats, -100 EXP, +1 Internal Level All that said, your very best combat units should just hang on until level 20 before promoting. Since you're using them all the time, they'll get to the high-end skills anyway, and they'll appreciate all the stats they can get along the way.
  6. Never underestimate Ophelia. 40 Elise!Ophelia's magic cap in Sorcerer +10 Life and Death + 5 Trample (via Percy) or Tomefaire (via Mage/Priest/Diviner talent Corrin-M) + 2 Malefic Aura + 4 Rally Magic + 3 S Rank attack bonus + 4 Double S Rank WTA + 2 Tonic + 2 Meal + 5 Generic Sorcerer guard stance + 7 Calamity Gate might + 2 Magic statues (via two of Ophelia, +Mag Corrin, Dwyer) OR +2 from better guard stance 86 TOTAL As always: kill threshold achieved. Just for fun, here's Odin: 36 Odin's magic cap in Sorcerer +10 Life and Death + 5 Tomefaire (via Mage/Priest/Diviner talent Corrin-F) or Trample (with Dragon talent) + 2 Malefic Aura + 4 Rally Magic + 3 S Rank attack bonus + 4 Double S Rank WTA + 2 Tonic + 2 Meal + 6 +Mag Corrin-F Sorcerer guard stance at S support + 2 Supportive + 7 Calamity Gate might + 3 Magic statues (+Mag Corrin, Leo, Ophelia/Nyx) 86 TOTAL
  7. In my current run of Conquest, I've just unlocked Ophelia's paralogue, and I noticed that her base stats seemed to be inconsistent with the formula given here: Another way of understanding this formula is this: compare each parent's personal stats (listed stats minus class bases) to whatever the child should have based on his or her personal bases and average growths. For example, if you're getting a child at level 17, the child's "Expected Absolute Base Stat" (EABS, the value called "C" in the formula) is their personal base stat, plus 7 times their growth rate in their starting class, rounded to the nearest integer. 0.5 rounds up, according to my testing. If the father's personal stat is greater than the child's, record the difference between them as the variable F; otherwise, if the father's stat isn't bigger than the child's, count this as a 0. Do the same for the mother, recording this value as M. Then combine these two values. According to the formula, this translates into bonus stats for the child as follows, in descending priority: If F + M is at least 16 and the child's EABS is at least 20, add 4. If F + M is at least 12 and the child's EABS is at least 10, add 3. If F + M is at least 8, add 2. If F + M is at least 4, add 1. Otherwise, add nothing. Here's my situation. I'm recruiting Ophelia after chapter 18, so she is level 20. Without any stat inheritance from her parents, Odin and Elise, I would expect her to have this stat line: Elise!Ophelia level 20, unmodified +----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | HP | STR | MAG | SKL | SPD | LCK | DEF | RES | +----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | 27 | 5 | 20 | 12 | 16 | 20 | 7 | 15 | +----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ This is accurate—if I edit my save to remove all stat growths from Elise and Odin, those are exactly the stats I see on her when I load up Paralogue 21. If I start the battle and have her use her Offspring Seal, she gets exactly the stats I would expect at Sorcerer level 2: Elise!Ophelia at level 20, unmodified, promoted to Sorcerer level 2 with Offspring Seal +----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | HP | STR | MAG | SKL | SPD | LCK | DEF | RES | +----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | 28 | 5 | 24 | 13 | 20 | 21 | 9 | 19 | +----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ [An aside: the game rounds twice as it generates these stats—once when it produces Ophelia's stats at level 20, and once again when it computes the stat increases from the Offspring Seal. In Ophelia's case, she expects 19.5 Magic at level 20, so the game rounds this to 20. After promoting to Sorcerer and gaining one level, she would gain 3 Magic from promotion and a further 0.8 Magic from her growth rate, so the game rounds this 3.8 expected value to 4. A naive average stat calculation would give Ophelia 19.5 + 3.8 = 23.3 Magic, but she actually always has at least 24 if you recruit her at this time.] However, in my actual save the parents obviously have gained stats. In my case, the three characters' actual personal stats are the following: +-----------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | | HP | STR | MAG | SKL | SPD | LCK | DEF | RES | +-----------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | Father points: | 18 | 15 | 12 | 19 | 14 | 21 | 13 | 8 | +-----------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | Mother points: | 16 | 6 | 22 | 7 | 17 | 21 | 11 | 15 | +-----------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | Ophelia's EABS: | 11 | 5 | 14 | 9 | 13 | 19 | 4 | 10 | +-----------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | F + M: | 12 | 11 | 8 | 10 | 5 | 4 | 16 | 5 | +-----------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | EXPECTED BONUS: | 3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | +-----------------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ But the expected bonus value, according to my interpretation of the formula on the site, wasn't what I actually got in the game. Elise!Ophelia level 20 (after Ch. 18) with inheritance +----------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | | HP | STR | MAG | SKL | SPD | LCK | DEF | RES | +----------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | Expected | 30 | 7 | 22 | 14 | 17 | 21 | 9 | 16 | +----------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ | Actual | 30 | 7 | 21 | 14 | 16 | 20 | 9 | 16 | +----------+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ I only got one extra point of Magic instead of two, and I didn't get any bonus points in Speed or Luck. I thought this was really weird, so I did some more save editing to investigate. In my test file, I have Elise!Ophelia's, Nyx!Nina's, and Selena!Soleil's paralogues unlocked. I removed all stat gains from their mothers, then gave their fathers exactly the amount of growth I would need in each stat to set their personal values to 4 points higher than their daughters' level 20 Expected Absolute Base Stats. Thus the values of F should all be 4 and the values for M should all be 0. [In Soleil's case, her Magic EABS is 1 and Selena's innate Magic base is 3, so I gave Laslow 3 points in Magic to make M + F equal 4.] With this setup, I expect to get 1 bonus point in every stat on all three characters. I did not get that. Ophelia only gained 1 point in HP, STR, SKL, and DEF. Soleil only got MAG, LCK, and RES. Nina got 1 extra point in most stats, but not in MAG or SPD. At first I thought there was some very weird rounding issue going on, but I got suspicious of the fact that these three kids were generally missing the bonus points in their best stats. My guess was that in the inheritance formula, the EABS ("C") was calculated based on the child's stats at their effective level after using their Offspring Seal. For instance, since at this point Ophelia's Offspring Seal would boost her to level 2 promoted, I thought perhaps she counted as level 22 (or maybe 21) for EABS purposes. Since Ophelia has good Magic, Speed, and Luck growths, the extra two levels would make those stats higher, and therefore her parents wouldn't beat Ophelia in those areas by enough anymore. And in my main file, this explains the discrepancy perfectly: if her parents' stats are compared against those of a theoretical level 22 Dark Mage Ophelia, she should get a bonus stat spread of 3-2-1-2-0-0-2-1, which is exactly what I did get. Meanwhile, when I unplay Chapter 18 with the save editor and then load up Ophelia's paralogue, she also joins at level 20, but this time she doesn't get an Offspring Seal. Here, she gets the full 3-2-2-2-1-1-2-1 that I was expecting in the first place. Problem solved, right? But this doesn't work for what I see in the test file with Ophelia, Nina, and Soleil where I rigged up all the parents' stats. The kids were all supposed to inherit +1 in every stat, but they didn't. However, the stats I'm missing don't match the ones I should be missing if the game is comparing against the kids' level 22 stats. For example, Nina did get HP +1 but didn't get MAG +1. According to my computations, Outlaw Nina gains 1 HP going from level 20 to level 22 (8.00 to 8.60) but doesn't gain any Magic (9.50 to 10.40). I would therefore expect her to inherit the one extra point of Magic (Niles still has 4 more Magic points than her) but not HP (since Niles now only beats her by 3). Anyone have any ideas on what could explain this discrepancy?
  8. There is another Friendship Seal dropped by an enemy Paladin in Paralogue 17 (Ignatius) and a Heart Seal dropped by an enemy Hero in chapter 16.
  9. An all-royals team is a really good choice for a first Lunatic Conquest clear. Your main units all start with good stats and will hold up for the whole game. Here's a general plan: Pick +Mag/-Lck Dragon talent female Corrin, and have her marry Jakob. The idea will be to abuse Jakob's special mechanics, where he is already promoted but he levels up like an unpromoted unit. Unfortunately, the level 15 skills in Jakob's natural classes aren't hugely useful, so he really wants to marry someone who gives him great skills. Elise starts in the troubadour line, and if she stays in it she's destined to be a glass cannon healer. For a first clear, I'd recommend promoting her as soon as she reaches level 10 and sticking with the Strategist class. She can fight together with someone like Odin at that point. Elise has a lot of potential as a unit, but it's simpler to go this route. Camilla is going to be one of your strongest units. She starts with great stats in a great class, and she has really good options in her support pool. I like to build her up to A support with Beruka quickly, then focus on marrying her off. Silas and Niles make great candidates for her spouse. Leo can get a fantastic skill set thanks to his support with Odin. Odin gives him the samurai class line, which gives him Vantage and the Life and Death skill. Felicia and Nyx make good wives for him. Felicia can just stay in her default Maid class to give him +Speed/+Magic pair-up bonuses he wants. Nyx can promote early into Dark Knight, and then once she starts falling behind she can just change into Adventurer and be his backpack to give tons of speed, some magic, and extra movement. Xander is a powerful physical tank. He likes having friendship with Odin and marrying a woman who offers +Speed in combination with some of +Strength, +Resistance, and +Movement. Good candidates are Charlotte and Selena. (If he marries Selena, there's no real need to bother with Laslow friendship.) You should keep Niles in your team throughout the game. He doesn't need to be a main combat unit, but you want him to keep poaching kills so that he'll be able to capture key enemies like Rallyman from chapter 23 and the Pass Falcon Knights in chapter 24. Shurikenbreaker from Bow Knight will also be a big help in chapter 25. Effie is a good bit player for the early game. Arthur, Odin, and Silas are early units who also can stay strong for the whole game and reward you with child paralogues for extra loot and experience, but making the most of them is a bit more technical than focusing on the royals. Selena, Beruka, and Kaze plug in and work well throughout the middle game.
  10. The boss is the one unit on that map who gives Dragon Corrin real experience. I think it's about 50. Kaze can defeat every other enemy in the chapter with judicious use of Sakura's aura, Azura's singing, the HP Tonic, and at least modest stat gains on his first level.
  11. The don’t attack if you can counterattack and they read 0 damage.
  12. Haha, I should clarify, I meant having a fat oni savage or someone else with huge defense and a hand axe is helpful. The bow user's not supposed to be taking zero. That would be counterproductive! — I've been tinkering with slightly different plans for using the resources in the early chapters for my full recruitment challenge run (basically, testing which forges I actually need, and figuring out exactly how extravagantly I can spend resources on the children I’ll eventually recruit), so I haven't gotten around to making more videos. Lately, solving the problems of maximizing support gains and keeping all my units on-level has been more interesting to me than efficiency-oriented stuff, so I might make more videos aimed at that. I’ve done that challenge run all the way through before, and now I’m trying to optimize it very carefully. I figured out that you can recruit Camilla!Sophie after Chapter 20 with enough power right out of the box to one-shot the Stoneborn on Chapter 21 with the Blessed Lance. There are easier ways to win this map played straight (royal Malig Knights with Lightning come to mind), but the build is so cool that I really want to do it. I think I can scrounge together enough resources to build everything shown here at once. Shigure inherits Rally Res and Voice of Peace Dwyer inherits Inspiration and Voice of Peace Forrest inherits Malefic Aura & Live to Serve or Lifetaker & Tomebreaker/Demoiselle (if I can level Leo enough) Ignatius gets Wary Fighter and Elbow Room Percy gets Movement +1 and Quick Draw Siegbert gets Sol and Axefaire Midori inherits Poison Strike and Strength +2 Nina inherits HP +5 and Lifetaker Ophelia inherits Seal Magic and Lunge (unless I send Odin through samurai instead of dumping extra seals on Elise) Soleil gets HP +5 and Strength +2 Sophie gets Sol and Trample Velouria gets Quick Draw and Profiteer Ophelia!Kana (DM talent) is mini Ophelia and inherits Trample & Tomefaire
  13. In 17 in particular, taking 0 damage is quite useful. It lets you use a fast bow user to take on whole packs of enemy ninjas in one enemy phase. Other setups using Calamity Gate or a strong Hand Axe user often end up being slower, and other 1-2 range weapons like Javelins involve a lot more risk.
  14. Stats are fungible. Speed can stand in for defenses by allowing faster guard gauge buildup. High defenses become high attack when they allow you to use attack stance instead of guard stance, and conversely high attack can mean more durability when you don’t need the extra damage from attack stance and can pair up. Silas is a good example—he continues doing things that Paladin Jakob could also do, even though Jakob is faster for a long time, because his lead in defense lets him take on enemies mainly in attack stance. Odin is actually particularly flexible because his favorite tome translates his attack stat (and, to some extent, his skill and luck) into defenses and back; getting ahead on one makes up for falling behind in the other. My videos all use average stats because they are the most common outcome at any given level, but it's not essential for you to hit exactly your average growths. There are tonics, meals, and stance options that you can adjust as needed to make up any deficiencies. You are vanishingly unlikely to have bad results across the board over ten levels on units like Odin and Silas who have high personal growths.
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