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  1. Oh hey, I got a shout-out in this thread!

    As you apparently saw, Sol Master Ninja is the second-best enemy-phase combat build in Conquest, and Silas is the best at it. He gets an insane +9 early damage stack after going into the Merc line, and he can feasibly get Sol and A+ with Kaze before chapter 17, allowing him to go in with a Bronze Dagger and train up his weapon rank by one-rounding the horde of ninjas there on enemy phase. With Sol and D Shurikens, he can take on the northern or eastern parts of 18, and then he destroys 19 and much of 20 with the Hunter's Knife.

    Soleil is hard to get that early, but she's nearly as strong if her mother can pass her something good: Elbow Room, HP +5, Lunge, that kind of thing.

    Your Percy didn’t actually get Strength-screwed. Percy just has a fairly low innate Str growth, before factoring in his mom, and his base Str isn’t that hot either. He just happens to come with an incredible class set. Effie can potentially pass Quick Draw to him, but even then he usually needs a few Energy Drops or a Berserker wife to hit Takumi-killing thresholds.

  2. On 5/27/2020 at 6:15 PM, Alistair said:

    I know that children's growth rates are the average of their base growths and the variable parent's. But if that average isn't a whole number (like 40 and 35 being 37.5), does it get rounded? If so, is it rounded up or down?

    It gets rounded down.

    Child growths from auto-levels round to the nearest integer in the usual way. Effie!Percy has 0 base Mag and gets (putatively) 7.5 Mag growth in Wyvern Rider. When you recruit him immediately after Chapter 15, he‘ll be at level 17, and he should have 0 Mag if it rounds down and 1 otherwise. I just checked, and he has 0.

  3. 14 hours ago, T-Doggo said:

    Generally, what seeds should I be planting each week? I don't necessarily need a super in-depth breakdown, but the game doesn't really explain how gardening works and I haven't seen a super detailed tutorial/strategy. I assumed I would want flowers given the number of students I'm trying to recruit, but how does gardening for stat boosters and professor exp fit in?

    1. 1x Nordsalat + Prune (400 PEXP, 46% Speed, and sustains itself reliably) or 2x Angelica + Prune (500 PEXP, 52% Strength, need to pull 2+ seeds each week to sustain itself) all the way until A professor rank.

    You can buy flowers after the chapter 5 merchant quest, but you get all you need to recruit ~3 units and motivate everyone for the next several chapters just by spending 2,000 G every month on the cheapest gifts and doing a couple of meals per week. You have to buy specific flowers over and over again because they don’t grow themselves. That money is better spent on good battalions, weapons, seals, and forges.

    The extra professor experience for harvesting high-quality seeds matters most in chapter 3, where those 400-800 more points let you hit C rank early. That means extra money next month, early adjutants, and more activities that let you build a PEXP lead compared to a flower-planting strategy; you slowly trade away your lead by doing slightly more meals instead of tournaments later on. Nordsalat and Angelica seeds also produce high-value crops that you can sell for money or (especially with Magdred Kirsch) use for cooking.

    2. Buy all the bait every month once you have the merchants unlocked (which you should do ASAP). Spend 5-star bait on Fish of Mystery days looking for Goddess Messengers, and hoard everything else until the chapter 9 Fistfuls of Fish event. This will carry you to A+ rank and eliminate all your money problems.

    3. Once you have tons of cash and A professor rank, there are a few strong planting setups, all with max cultivation level:

    1. Ideally, Yellow x2 + Angelica x2 + Nordsalat. 36% magic booster, 40% strength, 19% speed, 95% total. Nordsalat seeds at this level will grow Angelica seeds, but eventually you’ll run out of the premium seeds.
    2. Nearly as good, with more flowers, is Yellow x2 + Purple x2 + Nordsalat. 36% magic, 36% strength, 19% speed, 91% total. I would run this once I’m out of Angelica if I still have Nordsalat seeds available.
    3. Then transition to flower-based setups with seeds you can buy. Purple and Mixed Herb give STR, Yellow gives MAG, and Pale-Blue gives SPD.
      • Purple x2 + Yellow x2 + Mixed Herb: 49% STR and 34% MAG, 83% total.
      • Yellow x3 + Purple + Pale-Blue for more magic: 51% MAG, 17% STR, 17% SPD, 85% total.
      • Pale-Blue x3 + Purple + Yellow for speed: 51% SPD, 17% STR, 17% MAG, 85% total.

    If you really need one stat in particular, you should plant Purple x3, Yellow x4, or Pale-Blue x5. These have worse overall success rates than the mixtures above. Angelica x5 or Nordsalat x4 are much stronger but are not very realistic.

  4. On 3/16/2020 at 4:43 PM, AxelVDP said:

    again with your nordsalat seeds jeez

    unless you savescum you are NOT planting those damn seeds. what you'll be planting for the most part are the COLORED SEEDS (and mix them with other better seeds to increase your yields if you happen to have them) which yield flowers you can gift.

    and 99% of players won't be assed to savescum for those seeds just to increase their chance of getting a stat boosters by like 5%-10%

    at that point just savescum the results of your gardening session lol.

    also, gardening for professor level is also pretty meh. the vast majority of your professor exp you get via the fishing event. which maxes out your professor level around chapter 8-9, and I'm pretty sure you won't be saving a chapter worth of time just by planting different seeds.

    if you dislike grinding for the fishes, you'll also dislike grinding and savescumming for seeds. so it's not even an alternative, just an extra timesink.


    the fact that you keep insisting every damn time about those nordsalat seeds really shows that you didn't play that much.

    You have two chances to pull either Angelica (5-Star) or Nordsalat (4-star) seeds from the barrels southeast of the main hall while exploring in chapter 1 and chapter 2 (before you have a free choice of what to plant). The other things that can spawn there are Morfis-Plum and Boa-Fruit seeds, which are functionally equivalent in terms of professor experience (500 and 400 respectively) but spawn worse stat boosters. The beautiful thing about all four of these seeds is that they grow themselves, which flowers notably don’t do, and you can’t consistently get good flower seeds until you unlock the merchant without some serious save scumming.

    Nordsalat is really nice because a single seed with pruning hits nearly 50% chance of a speed booster and is dirt cheap, allowing you to dedicate your early funds to other things like battalions and good weapons. Nordsalat and Angelica seeds also grow Magdred Kirsch, an ingredient in the ridiculous Goddess Messenger meal that gives great stat boosts and 450 Professor EXP and is doable as early as chapter 3.

    Motivation from support unlocks and meals will carry you through the early chapters with no worries, and once you do the merchant quest, correct use of lost items and the cheaper gifts will cover you without any need to resort to flower seeds. 

    Optimized Professor EXP gain isn’t about hitting A+ rank at chapter 9, which I agree is pretty trivial if you just hoard bait and do a good number of tournaments. Rather, it's about hitting other benchmarks way sooner than you “should.” You can have adjutants before the chapter 3 mission; B rank for two adjutants (and double battles) before the merchant quest; and A rank for three adjutants in the middle of chapter 7. Not to mention that by ranking up earlier you gain more lecture points for more efficient teaching, plus more activity points that let you gain even more Professor EXP or Faculty Training or meals or whatever else you need along the way.

  5. On 2/18/2020 at 3:44 PM, LegendOfLoog said:

    I would be more impressed if someone actually planted Nordsalat Seeds regularly, considering you can’t buy them. The only way possible to get them requires a Yield Level of 3 on either Vegetable Seeds, Morfis-Plum Seeds, or Eastern Fodlan Seeds. You can’t do that for any of them until you have a B Professor Level, so if you’re trying to get Speed Carrots (literally the only reason you should be planting Nordsalat Seeds), you’re stuck with Pale-Blue Flower Seeds, which generally give you lots of flowers to gift. In general though, many types of Seeds will give you flowers, so it’s fairly easy to get tons of flowers for gifting purposes.

    Nordsalat Seeds are available very early on from the barrels southeast of the main hall when exploring in both chapter 1 or chapter 2, i.e., by the time you start planting seeds of your own. That spot spawns any of the four seed types that have 4-star quality or better, and you can save and soft-reset right there to get either Nordsalat (for speed) or Angelica (for strength). All four of these high-quality seeds grow themselves at yield levels one and two.

    Because you get more professor experience for using seeds with more stars, you can dramatically accelerate your professor level gains. The extra exploration points allow you to do more meals and tournaments sooner, boosting your professor rank even faster and making up for the motivation and support points you might otherwise need to get from flowers.

    A single Nordsalat seed with pruning (the 500G option) is pretty much ideal every week until you get A rank. You get a 46% chance of a speed booster, the best stat to gain in the early game. You can harvest more of the seeds you need every week while also getting sellable crops like Nordsalat. The additional professor experience over flowers can get you to milestones like C rank before the chapter 3 mission, B rank in the first week of chapter 5, and A rank by the end of chapter 7, while still working in a fair amount of faculty training to get certification and recruitment requirements.

    7 hours ago, A2ZOMG said:

    Other things I would suggest for GD Maddening:

    Male Byleth is better than Female Byleth in this route. Early flying utility is not nearly as impressive when for starters, getting nearly 1HKOed by 3 range Steel Bow Archers is a real issue. Furthermore for a good portion of earlygame, there's only one Flying Battalion to share, which means having more than one flier earlygame prevents one of your teammates from equipping a Battalion for combat bonuses. Male Byleth most importantly has significantly better synergy with GD house personal skills, in particular Hilda and Leonie which in turn gives him a much more stable earlygame.

    Hilda is absolutely not A tier. She's actually by far your worst unit earlygame when basically for the entirety of 5 chapters she struggles to break accuracy higher than 80 with her preferred weapons, and unlike Lorenz she doesn't start with D Lances, meaning Tempest Lance is not available from the get go. And yes Hilda's personal skill is extremely valuable, but I need to stress that Hilda herself is a HUGE combat detriment earlygame. Not fast enough to avoid being doubled when using Lances, hitrates are terrible, and Faith demerit means trying to pad her resource requirements with Heal spam is significantly less viable on her. Authority demerit even hurts her in combat significantly when promoting to Pegasus Knight because it actually takes extra investment to get D Authority on her, which is the requirement for the lowest ranked Flying Battalion.

    Outside of LTC, I agree on Male Byleth in GD.

    It's trivial for Hilda to learn Tempest Lance in time for meaningful use in Chapter 2. It's reliable enough with a Training Lance at that point.

  6. Data on the new battalions:


    From Anna's paralogue
    Secret Transport Force
    B Rank, Flying. 3 Phys Atk, 15 Avo, 5 Prt, 5 Rsl, 8 Cha. Stride.

    Flying Stride is crazy, and this is really good for dodge-tanking, too. A very cool exclusive for Crimson Flower; without NG+, Silver Snow and Verdant Wind require you to recruit Sylvain in order to get a good late-game Stride battalion.

    From Jeritza's quest
    Reaper Knights
    B Rank, Cavalry. 7 Phys Atk, -2 Mag Atk, 10 Crit, 15 Avo, 4 Prt, 1 Cha. Assault Troop.

    Bog-standard cavalry battalion with next to no Charm boost. Good Avoid bonus; has 5 less avoid and 6 less charm than Brigid Hunters in exchange for 3 extra Atk and 4 more Prt.


  7. I’ll try to give an approach for the first two turns. I don’t have access to your units' exact stats and equipment, obviously, and I don’t have a save file with the pre-chapter-22 version of this map on hand, but I do have a pretty good handle on how this map works.

    Turn One

    Ophelia has Vantage, so she should be able to take on the southwestern group. She's not inheriting very strong bonus stats from her parents because she’s really depending on a high-level Odin or Wyvern Elise for her defenses, but those bonuses are effectively limited to 2 or 3 points over her auto-leveled bases, which should be adequate for the job.

    Malig Knight Corrin (or DK Leo) gives her a solid +Mag/+Def pair-up partner. I’d keep Nosferatu and a Def tonic (and maybe an HP tonic) in the convoy. Ophelia pulls those from the convoy on turn one and uses the Defense tonic. Wyvern Lord Beruka should be able to Rally her Defense, and you can pick your units' starting positions strategically so that this rally also covers other units who will push out in different directions. Strategist Elise can Rally Resistance too.

    Azura sings to Ophelia, then Ophelia pairs up with Corrin. (If Azura is unavailable, Ophelia will just have to forego the tonic for this turn.) Corrin flies west to the woods next to the western village and switches to Ophelia, who equips Nosferatu and promotes to Sorcerer.

    If Dwyer can survive a Quick Draw Silver Axe Wyvern Lord plus another one wielding a Tomahawk, then put him on the square northeast of Ophelia where he can cover her with Gentilhomme. Ideally he has a few more points in Defense than Ophelia so that they go after her instead. He might need a strong guard stance partner and Beruka's rally to hit this threshold.

    If you do all this, you've given Ophelia an effective +10-11 Defense and +6-8 Res, plus promotion bonuses, on turn one. That's probably enough to survive attacks from every Onmyoji and every Wyvern Lord in the southwest while standing in her little woods tile.

    In the meantime, Leo and Niles should be able to take on the two generals blocking the way to the southeastern village. Xander is most likely able to take a hit from one of the nearby Berserkers. Ideally, you have someone else holding a Bronze weapon work alongside Xander in attack stance, with each unit baiting one of the Berserkers near the edge of their range. You’re going to want good action economy for next turn.

    Lastly, Camilla probably can fly northeast and start baiting the Masters of Arms there. Attack Stance is again preferred if Camilla can manage it, but Guard Stance is fine and might work better if it lets her one-round things herself. You want to clear out this pack quickly because the Spirit Dust village is one of the first to be threatened.

    Turn Two

    If all goes well, then Ophelia weakens everyone in the SW aside from the general. She can pick off a surviving Wyvern and should be able to kill everyone else on enemy phase this turn. Dwyer just runs east, or engages the general north of him if he's unhurt and has the Flame Shuriken.

    Both generals in the SE should be dead. Leo can visit the village there and pick up Lightning.

    Xander and his attack stance friend (Silas, maybe?) have wounded two of three berserkers and are facing a pair of Master Ninjas behind them. Niles, Beruka, and Elise are in the area, and they should be able to attack stance their way through the whole group.

    You've also got some of Selena, Benny, Kaze, and Odin waiting around. One of them is already supporting Camilla and another is probably with Dwyer, but the others can go help Camilla finish off the Masters of Arms. With good positioning, you may be able to force the three Onmyoji behind them to engage Kaze, who can probably handle them all.

    Beyond Turn Two

    Corrin can hit the southwestern village with the Horse Spirit, and someone can grab the Spirit Dust from the northeastern village. After that, pull all your forces northward. The reinforcements in the north are about to crash through the wall, and you want to start clearing out that area before your path to the final village is flooded with scary enemies. Plug the wall with a decent enemy phase tank while you beat up the generals and berserkers near the village. After that, collect the Calamity Gate and park a strong guard stance pair on the northern fort to intercept the eastern and southeastern enemy groups. Ophelia might already be so strong at this point that she can handle that job herself.

    One helpful thing to know is that the enemy Adventurers going after the villages will not attack anyone until every village has been visited. You can delay collecting the fourth village to keep them docile; the one that arrives with the southeastern reinforcements often just gets in the way of other enemies, which can be nice.

  8. 30 minutes ago, leesangstar10 said:

    It usually takes around 8 levels to master a class so grabbing both fiendish and darting blow isn't reasonable, unless you skip the advance class. Weight -3 is kinda hard to get since Annette is bad at armor and she already has a lot to skills to work on so not sure if you want her to become a wyvern lord. If you are using canto to move out of danger, why don't you just keep her as a mage with Thyrsus. She's already squishy anyways so losing 10hp isn't that big of a deal.

    1. It absolutely does not take eight levels to master a class, especially when one of them is Mage, which allows for extra class experience from healing.
    2. There are no advanced class masteries worth getting outside of Lifetaker and Renewal. Qualifying for Wyvern Rider at 20 but delaying its actual use for a level or two to finish Pegasus is not a major sacrifice.
    3. You can switch back to an intermediate class and act as adjutant for Byleth (or another top unit) to finish off whatever you need if you don’t want to bother using a class in combat. This becomes completely trivial with the Knowledge Gems.

  9. One thing I think is being overlooked here is how easy it is to bump up early physical units to respectable levels of bulk by getting C Axes and D Armor. Armored Knight certification instantly grants 12 Def minimum, and for a lot of your units, that will be a boost of somewhere between 1 and 5 Def as long as you’re getting it at level 10. Since pretty much all physical units love going through Brigand, this isn’t even a major opportunity cost for many of them.

    You can consider going up to C Armor for Weight -3 if the small detour won’t mess up your class route.

    Aside from that, I’ll point out a couple of build options that jumped out at me because they’re staple Conquest Lunatic cheese builds. They still seem to work well here in Three Houses.

    1. Vantage Lysithea pretty much does Vantage + Life & Death Ophelia's thing from Conquest: she has so much Mag that she can reach kill thresholds. Vantage comes quickly because Lysithea can easily do 25 actions with a combination of adjutancy and Soulblade abuse.

    Rout objectives are mostly restricted to paralogues, but a 1-4 range instant kill unit is spectacular when you need to clear a dozen enemies all at once. You do need to snipe enemy battalion users to have no chance of death, but usually that’s not hard.

    2. There are multiple magical units with unspectacular Reason spell lists who work very well with magic weapons in physical classes. Annette is a prime example: she can do something like Mage–Pegasus Knight–Wyvern Rider–Wyvern Lord abusing the Bolt Axe+. Lightning Axe helps conserve Bolt Axe uses until arcane crystals are buyable. She's a lot like Malig Knight Elise.

    Marianne dearly misses the Arrow of Indra in any route but Crimson Flower, but she can do Mage–Pegasus Knight–Bishop–Mortal Savant. She retains her Physic utility at endgame while patching up her speed, gaining regular foot movement, and wielding Swordfaire Levin Sword+, which is really nice. She also gets her personal sword and its art for boss-killing purposes, or Soulblade with regular swords when you don’t need range. A nice bonus is that Marianne actually gets to use her Crest when she's swinging a magic sword around instead of casting spells.

  10. 12 hours ago, Shadow Mir said:

    So you admit that she needs a specific mother (and one I don't even consider her best mother, at that), among other things that aren't guaranteed, to do it (Nyx is one of the absolute worst Nohrian units, so her getting enough kills to get her statue up is unlikely unless I intentionally shoot myself in the foot by fielding an awful unit, let alone upgrading it. And what if I decide to run something other than a Magic boon?). Good going there.

    I showed that you can even pull this off with a first-generation unit who has noticeably worse stats. Do you think I didn't notice that Odin requires an extremely specific setup to get there, and that requirements like three silver statues are real obstacles? Ophelia has a bunch of wiggle room because she's just better, and if you read carefully, you'll observe that you can in fact do her whole thing without Corrin, or with a slightly worse mother.

    Elise!Ophelia's the best one*, so she's the go-to test case whenever the question is, "Can a magic unit one-shot this enemy?" And for her, against every enemy that doesn't have Dragonskin, the answer is always yes.

    *Corrin!Ophelia can have a better natural cap, but has an appreciable chance of failing to reach her statue-boosted cap even with all five Spirit Dusts. Elise gives a better growth rate, and she is probably the only mother who has a reasonable chance of getting her own Magic stat high enough to pass +1 or +2 to Ophelia via inheritance.

    12 hours ago, Eltosian Kadath said:

    Or inherited from Elise.

    On a related note

     26	Mozu Average Strength at level 15/15 (switched to archer at level 5) 
    + 4	Quick Draw
    + 5	Bow Faire
    + 2 A Rank Bow
    + 1 A Rank WTA
    + 8 Crecent Bow
    -19 Defense
    x2 Brave Effect
     54 Damage

    This is a very easy kill for a Sniper. And if you are worried about the reduced damage effect don't worry the only other enemy in the room with the specific enemy mentioned is a harmless healer you can use to wipe the debuffs away with.

    Yeah, but that's annoying because then you can't recruit Elise!Ophelia until after chapter 20 or so.

    The one-shot kill is also trivial for any self-respecting axe unit with access to both Fighter and Wyvern Rider thanks to +12 damage stack. They usually don't have access to Vantage, though, so they can't mow down the entire map by themselves.

    12 hours ago, Hawkwing said:

    Since other people have commented, I have something I want to ask:

    I've noticed that a lot of my units are near level 10 despite only having them for a short time. Is there a recommended time to promote or reclass? I probably won't do it for a while, but I'm curious if it's wiser to do so earlier or later.

    Units that are doing well in combat duty probably don't need to be promoted super early. You want the people who are doing your main combat duties to continue gaining stats so they can maintain that role for the whole game, so in their case you shouldn't consider promoting until at least level 17 or so. But on the other hand, you shouldn't be afraid that you're going to lose something important if you promote some of your units a few levels early. Some examples of what I've done in my current run:

    • Promoted Nyx to Dark Knight at 11. I wanted her to have the big boost to Defense and mobility so that she would stay useful for a few more chapters in the early game.
    • Promoted Charlotte to Berserker at 13. It was pretty easy to feed her some experience when she joined up because she was under-leveled, but after that point, an early promotion gave her a huge power boost and also made her better at supporting her teammates.
    • Promoted Kaze to Mechanist at 15. Like Nyx, this gave him large bonuses to Def and Mov. Unlike Nyx, I actually planned to keep using him in a big role for a while. However, he was already ahead of the level curve when he re-joined my team. Early promotion didn't have a huge downside because he was gaining reduced experience anyway, and I wanted him to get some nice promoted-class skills earlier.
    • Promoted Mozu to Merchant and Laslow to Hero, both at level 19. These were okay combat units, but I knew they would probably get close to their caps in the classes I planned for them to end in, so there was little downside to skipping level 20.

    Early promotion gives you instant stat bonuses (and sometimes access to new weapons) in exchange for reduced experience. However, the experience reduction is temporary, and in a certain sense, it reverses itself later on. The way the game works is that when you've promoted, it bases the experience gain formula on a secret "internal level." Normally, for promoted units, their level is effectively their listed level plus 20. If you promote early, instead of adding 20, the game takes the average of 20 and your actual level at promotion, rounded down.

    For instance, let's say you promote Selena from a level 13 Mercenary to a Bow Knight. At Bow Knight level 1, instead of counting as level 21, she will count as being level 1 + floor{(20+13)/2} = 17. That's four levels lower, and that can make a big difference for the experience scaling system.

    One effect of this is that it's easier for early-promoted units to reach the powerful level 15 skills in promoted classes. I don't know the exact experience scaling for lower diffculties, so I'll talk about Lunatic. There, a normal level 14 Bow Knight would have to kill a lot of level 10 promoted enemies to hit level 15, because when you're four levels ahead, you only gain 9 Experience per kill. However, our early-promoted Selena who's also at level 14 would get 30 Experience for the same kills, because she counts as a level 10 unit herself. This might translate into having Shurikenbreaker two maps early, while there are only six or seven chapters left in the game. That can be a big deal!

    I keep mentioning early promotions at odd levels for a reason: the internal level formula rounds down. That means a level 11 early-promotion carries the same internal level (namely 15) as a level 10 one, whereas if you delayed until level 12, that would bump up your internal level by one to 16. In summary:

    • Going up to an odd level: +1 level's worth of stats, -100 EXP
    • Going up to an even level: +1 level's worth of stats, -100 EXP, +1 Internal Level

    All that said, your very best combat units should just hang on until level 20 before promoting. Since you're using them all the time, they'll get to the high-end skills anyway, and they'll appreciate all the stats they can get along the way.

  11. On 7/9/2019 at 9:14 PM, Shadow Mir said:

    Because the stench of exaggeration is coming off of you in droves - to one-shot the Master Ninja in chapter 27 without a critical hit (said unit has 52 Hp, 19 Defense, and a capped 34 Resistance), you'd need 71 attack on the physical side, which is a stretch, or 86 attack on the magical side (...yeah, I don't see this happening).

    Never underestimate Ophelia.

     40	Elise!Ophelia's magic cap in Sorcerer
    +10	Life and Death
    + 5	Trample (via Percy) or Tomefaire (via Mage/Priest/Diviner talent Corrin-M)
    + 2	Malefic Aura
    + 4	Rally Magic
    + 3	S Rank attack bonus
    + 4	Double S Rank WTA
    + 2	Tonic
    + 2	Meal
    + 5	Generic Sorcerer guard stance
    + 7	Calamity Gate might
    + 2	Magic statues (via two of Ophelia, +Mag Corrin, Dwyer) OR +2 from better guard stance
     86	TOTAL

    As always: kill threshold achieved.

    Just for fun, here's Odin:

     36	Odin's magic cap in Sorcerer
    +10	Life and Death
    + 5	Tomefaire (via Mage/Priest/Diviner talent Corrin-F) or Trample (with Dragon talent)
    + 2	Malefic Aura
    + 4	Rally Magic
    + 3	S Rank attack bonus
    + 4	Double S Rank WTA
    + 2	Tonic
    + 2	Meal
    + 6	+Mag Corrin-F Sorcerer guard stance at S support
    + 2	Supportive
    + 7	Calamity Gate might
    + 3	Magic statues (+Mag Corrin, Leo, Ophelia/Nyx)
     86	TOTAL


  12. In my current run of Conquest, I've just unlocked Ophelia's paralogue, and I noticed that her base stats seemed to be inconsistent with the formula given here:


    Child’s Level 10 + N stats = Class base stats + [Child’s absolute base stats + (N x Child’s full growth rates); define the value inside these square bracket as “C”] + {[(Father’s personal stats – C; 0 if negative) + (Mother’s personal stats – C; 0 if negative)] / 4; cannot be higher than (C/10) +2 rounded down}

    Another way of understanding this formula is this: compare each parent's personal stats (listed stats minus class bases) to whatever the child should have based on his or her personal bases and average growths. For example, if you're getting a child at level 17, the child's "Expected Absolute Base Stat" (EABS, the value called "C" in the formula) is their personal base stat, plus 7 times their growth rate in their starting class, rounded to the nearest integer. 0.5 rounds up, according to my testing.

    If the father's personal stat is greater than the child's, record the difference between them as the variable F; otherwise, if the father's stat isn't bigger than the child's, count this as a 0. Do the same for the mother, recording this value as M. Then combine these two values.

    According to the formula, this translates into bonus stats for the child as follows, in descending priority:

    • If F + M is at least 16 and the child's EABS is at least 20, add 4.
    • If F + M is at least 12 and the child's EABS is at least 10, add 3.
    • If F + M is at least 8, add 2.
    • If F + M is at least 4, add 1.
    • Otherwise, add nothing.

    Here's my situation. I'm recruiting Ophelia after chapter 18, so she is level 20. Without any stat inheritance from her parents, Odin and Elise, I would expect her to have this stat line:

    Elise!Ophelia level 20, unmodified
    | HP | STR | MAG | SKL | SPD | LCK | DEF | RES |
    | 27 | 5   | 20  | 12  | 16  | 20  | 7   | 15  |

    This is accurate—if I edit my save to remove all stat growths from Elise and Odin, those are exactly the stats I see on her when I load up Paralogue 21. If I start the battle and have her use her Offspring Seal, she gets exactly the stats I would expect at Sorcerer level 2:

    Elise!Ophelia at level 20, unmodified, promoted to Sorcerer level 2 with Offspring Seal
    | HP | STR | MAG | SKL | SPD | LCK | DEF | RES |
    | 28 | 5   | 24  | 13  | 20  | 21  | 9   | 19  |

    [An aside: the game rounds twice as it generates these stats—once when it produces Ophelia's stats at level 20, and once again when it computes the stat increases from the Offspring Seal. In Ophelia's case, she expects 19.5 Magic at level 20, so the game rounds this to 20. After promoting to Sorcerer and gaining one level, she would gain 3 Magic from promotion and a further 0.8 Magic from her growth rate, so the game rounds this 3.8 expected value to 4. A naive average stat calculation would give Ophelia 19.5 + 3.8 = 23.3 Magic, but she actually always has at least 24 if you recruit her at this time.]

    However, in my actual save the parents obviously have gained stats. In my case, the three characters' actual personal stats are the following:

    |                 | HP | STR | MAG | SKL | SPD | LCK | DEF | RES |
    | Father points:  | 18 | 15  | 12  | 19  | 14  | 21  | 13  | 8   |
    | Mother points:  | 16 | 6   | 22  | 7   | 17  | 21  | 11  | 15  |
    | Ophelia's EABS: | 11 | 5   | 14  | 9   | 13  | 19  | 4   | 10  |
    | F + M:          | 12 | 11  | 8   | 10  | 5   | 4   | 16  | 5   |
    | EXPECTED BONUS: | 3  | 2   | 2   | 2   | 1   | 1   | 2   | 1   |

    But the expected bonus value, according to my interpretation of the formula on the site, wasn't what I actually got in the game.

    Elise!Ophelia level 20 (after Ch. 18) with inheritance
    |          | HP | STR | MAG | SKL | SPD | LCK | DEF | RES |
    | Expected | 30 | 7   | 22  | 14  | 17  | 21  | 9   | 16  |
    | Actual   | 30 | 7   | 21  | 14  | 16  | 20  | 9   | 16  |

    I only got one extra point of Magic instead of two, and I didn't get any bonus points in Speed or Luck. I thought this was really weird, so I did some more save editing to investigate.

    In my test file, I have Elise!Ophelia's, Nyx!Nina's, and Selena!Soleil's paralogues unlocked. I removed all stat gains from their mothers, then gave their fathers exactly the amount of growth I would need in each stat to set their personal values to 4 points higher than their daughters' level 20 Expected Absolute Base Stats. Thus the values of should all be 4 and the values for M should all be 0. [In Soleil's case, her Magic EABS is 1 and Selena's innate Magic base is 3, so I gave Laslow 3 points in Magic to make M + F equal 4.] With this setup, I expect to get 1 bonus point in every stat on all three characters.

    I did not get that. Ophelia only gained 1 point in HP, STR, SKL, and DEF. Soleil only got MAG, LCK, and RES. Nina got 1 extra point in most stats, but not in MAG or SPD.

    At first I thought there was some very weird rounding issue going on, but I got suspicious of the fact that these three kids were generally missing the bonus points in their best stats. My guess was that in the inheritance formula, the EABS ("C") was calculated based on the child's stats at their effective level after using their Offspring Seal. For instance, since at this point Ophelia's Offspring Seal would boost her to level 2 promoted, I thought perhaps she counted as level 22 (or maybe 21) for EABS purposes. Since Ophelia has good Magic, Speed, and Luck growths, the extra two levels would make those stats higher, and therefore her parents wouldn't beat Ophelia in those areas by enough anymore.

    And in my main file, this explains the discrepancy perfectly: if her parents' stats are compared against those of a theoretical level 22 Dark Mage Ophelia, she should get a bonus stat spread of 3-2-1-2-0-0-2-1, which is exactly what I did get. Meanwhile, when I unplay Chapter 18 with the save editor and then load up Ophelia's paralogue, she also joins at level 20, but this time she doesn't get an Offspring Seal. Here, she gets the full 3-2-2-2-1-1-2-1 that I was expecting in the first place.

    Problem solved, right? But this doesn't work for what I see in the test file with Ophelia, Nina, and Soleil where I rigged up all the parents' stats. The kids were all supposed to inherit +1 in every stat, but they didn't. However, the stats I'm missing don't match the ones I should be missing if the game is comparing against the kids' level 22 stats.

    For example, Nina did get HP +1 but didn't get MAG +1. According to my computations, Outlaw Nina gains 1 HP going from level 20 to level 22 (8.00 to 8.60) but doesn't gain any Magic (9.50 to 10.40). I would therefore expect her to inherit the one extra point of Magic (Niles still has 4 more Magic points than her) but not HP (since Niles now only beats her by 3).

    Anyone have any ideas on what could explain this discrepancy?

  13. An all-royals team is a really good choice for a first Lunatic Conquest clear. Your main units all start with good stats and will hold up for the whole game. Here's a general plan:

    Pick +Mag/-Lck Dragon talent female Corrin, and have her marry Jakob. The idea will be to abuse Jakob's special mechanics, where he is already promoted but he levels up like an unpromoted unit. Unfortunately, the level 15 skills in Jakob's natural classes aren't hugely useful, so he really wants to marry someone who gives him great skills.


    You can build Jakob and Corrin's support quickly by having them fight together frequently and interacting with Jakob in your castle's Private Quarters whenever possible.

    1. After chapter 6: reach C support
    2. After chapter 7: reach B support, and then visit in private quarters
    3. After chapter 8: reach A support, and then visit in private quarters
    4. After paralogue 1/chapter 9: visit in private quarters one last time to unlock S support

    Then Jakob can use a Partner Seal to go into Malig Knight. Try to raise his axe rank. At Malig Knight level 15, he will learn Trample. Then he can Heart Seal to Paladin for three levels (focus on using lances); he'll pick up Elbow Room, Shelter, and Defender, which are key skills. Finally, after chapter 13 he can use another Partner Seal to go into Wyvern Lord, a strong class that he can use well for the rest of the game.

    Corrin can stay in the Nohr Princess; it's a perfectly reasonable class for her to support Jakob. She can also eventually follow a similar class path by building friendship with Peri for Cavalier access.

    Do Kana and Dwyer's paralogues whenever you feel like your team is weak and it needs more experience. You don't need to use them in your actual team once you've recruited them, although a Dwyer who inherits Trample early and gets an early Heart Seal can become quite strong.

    Elise starts in the troubadour line, and if she stays in it she's destined to be a glass cannon healer. For a first clear, I'd recommend promoting her as soon as she reaches level 10 and sticking with the Strategist class. She can fight together with someone like Odin at that point. Elise has a lot of potential as a unit, but it's simpler to go this route.


    You might consider changing Elise into a Malig Knight at promoted level 11 and staying there through level 15 for Trample, then go back into Strategist.

    I actually prefer changing Elise into a Wyvern Rider as soon as she joins so that she can start contributing to combat immediately and can abuse the Bolt Axe. However, using Wyvern Elise effectively takes a good amount of technical skill because you need to position her well and exploit Attack Stance whenever possible. You also need to find a substitute healer if you change Elise and Jakob out of their starting classes. Niles can Capture a shrine maiden in chapter 9 or chapter 11 for your staff needs.

    Camilla is going to be one of your strongest units. She starts with great stats in a great class, and she has really good options in her support pool. I like to build her up to A support with Beruka quickly, then focus on marrying her off. Silas and Niles make great candidates for her spouse.


    Raise Camilla to level 5 for Savage Blow. She should get A support with Beruka during this time. Camilla can get to level 5 around chapter 13 or 14.

    Use a Heart Seal to change to Wyvern Lord. Stick with that class until level 11; try to build lance rank so Camilla can use the Beast Killer. Build support with her intended husband along the way.

    Once she's at level 11, use a Friendship Seal to change to Berserker. Level all the way to 15 in Berserker to pick up Axefaire. Partner Seal over to Paladin (from Silas) for one level to pick up Elbow Room, or go into Bow Knight (from Niles) for two levels to get Movement +1. Then go back to Malig Knight for one level to grab Trample, and finally change back into Wyvern Lord.

    Camilla uses up five reclass seals, but by doing so she gets a ton of fantastic skills, and she has accelerated experience growth that lets her pick these things up faster than other units.

    Leo can get a fantastic skill set thanks to his support with Odin. Odin gives him the samurai class line, which gives him Vantage and the Life and Death skill. Felicia and Nyx make good wives for him. Felicia can just stay in her default Maid class to give him +Speed/+Magic pair-up bonuses he wants. Nyx can promote early into Dark Knight, and then once she starts falling behind she can just change into Adventurer and be his backpack to give tons of speed, some magic, and extra movement.


    Level Leo to 11 in his native Dark Knight class. Build A support with Odin as soon as you can, then marry Leo off. His role for this part of the game (chapters 14-20, basically) is as your magic tank.

    At level 11, Friendship Seal over to Master of Arms. Grow to level 15 in Master of Arms to get the key skills Vantage and Life and Death (+10 damage given and taken). Heart Seal to Sorcerer. If he married Nyx, he can first take a detour through Bow Knight for two levels to grab Movement +1, which is useful.

    Sorcerer Leo should use Vantage, Heartseeker, Malefic Aura, Life and Death, and a filler skill.

    Once he has this set put together, Leo is used differently than before. The idea is for him to cap his magic stat, get a +Magic meal, a Magic Tonic, and a +Magic pair-up unit in each battle, get below half HP, and one-shot every enemy that attacks him using a strong tome and his big magic stat. You just have to make sure he reaches the kill threshold on everyone who might attack him. With good positioning, he can clear 8-10 enemies in a turn while taking zero damage.

    Leo is not the unit that's best at this particular strategy, but he gets the job done. It's helpful to get Odin married off and do Ophelia's paralogue for the loot: you want the Calamity Gate, the Horse Spirit, and the Lightning tome.

    Leo will want one or two of your Spirit Dusts, and maybe a Speedwing.

    Xander is a powerful physical tank. He likes having friendship with Odin and marrying a woman who offers +Speed in combination with some of +Strength, +Resistance, and +Movement. Good candidates are Charlotte and Selena. (If he marries Selena, there's no real need to bother with Laslow friendship.)


    Get Xander to level 5 (just one level away) for Defender. Change into Wyvern Lord; he'll work better through chapter 21 in a flying class, and he already has D Lances, so he can use the Beast Killer on chapter 19 out of the box. Try to build supports with Laslow and Charlotte at the same time throughout this period. Xander should come out around level 11.

    After chapter 21, use a Friendship Seal or Partner Seal to go into Hero. If he's got A+ support with Laslow and S support with Charlotte, the next six levels will give him great skills like Strong Riposte, HP +5, Sol, and Axebreaker.

    You should be late in the game now. Xander can swing through Malig Knight for two levels to pick up Trample, then go back into Paladin.

    Xander should receive all your Talismans and one or two Speedwings.

    You should keep Niles in your team throughout the game. He doesn't need to be a main combat unit, but you want him to keep poaching kills so that he'll be able to capture key enemies like Rallyman from chapter 23 and the Pass Falcon Knights in chapter 24. Shurikenbreaker from Bow Knight will also be a big help in chapter 25.

    Effie is a good bit player for the early game. Arthur, Odin, and Silas are early units who also can stay strong for the whole game and reward you with child paralogues for extra loot and experience, but making the most of them is a bit more technical than focusing on the royals. Selena, Beruka, and Kaze plug in and work well throughout the middle game.

  14. 56 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

    Au contaire I'd rather Ryoma get it. Corrin on Hard or Lunatic is probably already approaching the soft cap on significant EXP gain. And when the only other two "combat" units in that Chapter are Rinkah and Kaze, the former being nonexistent if I went CQ, there is little lost if Ryoma scored the kill. Therefore, there is little lost if Ryoma wins, and I'm spared the headache of this chapter, which is rather difficult due to Corrin being the only one who can take two hits in this low allies, many enemies, and no chokepoints fight.

    The boss is the one unit on that map who gives Dragon Corrin real experience. I think it's about 50.

    Kaze can defeat every other enemy in the chapter with judicious use of Sakura's aura, Azura's singing, the HP Tonic, and at least modest stat gains on his first level.

  15. 18 hours ago, starburst said:

    I have never had a Sniper or Bow Knight taking zero damage from the Ninjas; and even if they did, they would start taking damage after the first hit and they usually have lower HP. But I am sure that it would work.
    My comment was more about moves involving baits, which do not work if the bait takes zero damage.

    When are you going to upload more videos? Come on!

    Haha, I should clarify, I meant having a fat oni savage or someone else with huge defense and a hand axe is helpful. The bow user's not supposed to be taking zero. That would be counterproductive!

    I've been tinkering with slightly different plans for using the resources in the early chapters for my full recruitment challenge run (basically, testing which forges I actually need, and figuring out exactly how extravagantly I can spend resources on the children I’ll eventually recruit), so I haven't gotten around to making more videos.

    Lately, solving the problems of maximizing support gains and keeping all my units on-level has been more interesting to me than efficiency-oriented stuff, so I might make more videos aimed at that. I’ve done that challenge run all the way through before, and now I’m trying to optimize it very carefully.


    I figured out that you can recruit Camilla!Sophie after Chapter 20 with enough power right out of the box to one-shot the Stoneborn on Chapter 21 with the Blessed Lance. There are easier ways to win this map played straight (royal Malig Knights with Lightning come to mind), but the build is so cool that I really want to do it. I think I can scrounge together enough resources to build everything shown here at once.


    • Shigure inherits Rally Res and Voice of Peace
    • Dwyer inherits Inspiration and Voice of Peace
    • Forrest inherits Malefic Aura & Live to Serve or Lifetaker & Tomebreaker/Demoiselle (if I can level Leo enough)
    • Ignatius gets Wary Fighter and Elbow Room
    • Percy gets Movement +1 and Quick Draw
    • Siegbert gets Sol and Axefaire
    • Midori inherits Poison Strike and Strength +2
    • Nina inherits HP +5 and Lifetaker
    • Ophelia inherits Seal Magic and Lunge (unless I send Odin through samurai instead of dumping extra seals on Elise)
    • Soleil gets HP +5 and Strength +2
    • Sophie gets Sol and Trample
    • Velouria gets Quick Draw and Profiteer
    • Ophelia!Kana (DM talent) is mini Ophelia and inherits Trample & Tomefaire

  16. 17 hours ago, starburst said:

    And you are right about the zero damage being counterproductive. On one occasion, I had L1 Oni Chieftains Odin and Cornwall in Ch 17, and the enemies would just ignore them. They would rather face GK Sophie/ Silas than mess with the Onis. Annoying.

    In 17 in particular, taking 0 damage is quite useful. It lets you use a fast bow user to take on whole packs of enemy ninjas in one enemy phase. Other setups using Calamity Gate or a strong Hand Axe user often end up being slower, and other 1-2 range weapons like Javelins involve a lot more risk.

  17. 14 minutes ago, Steeles4500 said:

    No, odin CANNOT do the things he says you do if he doesn't get stats. Silas cant even outside of very early game. Non prepromo units have to get growths, And odin has 50% in just about every catgory as well as terrible bases.and needs to hit ridiculous benchmarks to be able to do his nostank shitck past the early game.

    I ran the numbers you the insane luck you would need for these units to be even remotely as strong as you guys claim earlier in the thread, the numbers.are very low.

    Your guys whole playstyle basically assumes fantastic growth luck on every unit. The reason corrin and jakob.are so good is because they hit the benchmarks more consistently but still have to get some.growth luck to get effict clears.

    Stats are fungible. Speed can stand in for defenses by allowing faster guard gauge buildup. High defenses become high attack when they allow you to use attack stance instead of guard stance, and conversely high attack can mean more durability when you don’t need the extra damage from attack stance and can pair up. Silas is a good example—he continues doing things that Paladin Jakob could also do, even though Jakob is faster for a long time, because his lead in defense lets him take on enemies mainly in attack stance.

    Odin is actually particularly flexible because his favorite tome translates his attack stat (and, to some extent, his skill and luck) into defenses and back; getting ahead on one makes up for falling behind in the other.

    My videos all use average stats because they are the most common outcome at any given level, but it's not essential for you to hit exactly your average growths. There are tonics, meals, and stance options that you can adjust as needed to make up any deficiencies. You are vanishingly unlikely to have bad results across the board over ten levels on units like Odin and Silas who have high personal growths.

  18. 23 hours ago, Steeles4500 said:

    I meant strat for the overall game, and like i just made the edit i was trying to train his lance rank so there was a miss chance.

    I almost flatout refuse to use wyvern elise. It just doesnt make sense. She might be able to barely hit benchmarks early game but with stats like that no amount of bolt axe malig is gonna make you work as an EP unit.

    Check my posts in this thread for video examples of wyvern Elise, Odin, and Silas taking over the main combat duties in the early game.

  19. 1 hour ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said:

    Oh god please tell me we can finally drop the stupid bullshit that is average stats

    Demanding 90% confidence would just mean putting even greater weight on unit bases and exaggerating the performance of units that have extremely polarized growths. A unit with growths that were all either 80% or 20% would appear better than a unit with 50% growths across the board—the variance is smaller for the former unit, and it would take four levels to give the latter unit credit for any stat growths at all.

  20. Arthur's awful Dodge lets him do various AI manipulation tricks. Sometimes enemies will ignore units who can’t fight back or who would die to multiple enemy attacks because they all read a 1% crit rate on Arthur and would kill him if they crit. The enemy almost always goes for attacks with a listed chance to kill, even if their actual chance is very low or the attack will be blocked by a dual guard.

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