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  1. Okay so I was reading act 5 of Echoes and this doesn't make much sense to me.

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    Celica: If Duma is gone, Rigel’s lands will turn as barren as Zofia’s have. Even more people will starve.

    Isn't the whole thing with Duma that he doesn't bless the land unlike Mila due to believing it will make mankind weaker so how will they become even more barren when he wants man to toil? 

    Celica later tells Alm that it is impossible to deal with Duma but this doesn't seem to be a problem with Alm who thinks it is wise to fight an immortal deity despite this being as smart as trying to destroy a tank with bare hands. 

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    Celica: And even if you wanted to stop Duma, you can’t. Nothing can stop him now. Mila has chosen to seal Falchion away with her.

    But somehow he manages to convince them that they can do the impossible. 

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    Alm: I’m not giving up on her. Every part of me—every fiber of my being—says this is wrong. So we’re going to take down Duma and bring Celica home safe!

    Tobin: Sure, that all sounds fine and well. But how do we do that, exactly?

    Mila's statue started glowing after they were all convinced that Duma would go down so that can't be used as an excuse. 

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    2. Icelerate

      Icelerate

      Yeah it took forever for him to get to the point. 

      Well I'm wondering why Lyon is not accused of being stupid for tampering with the sacred stone nearly as much as Eirika for attempting to cure Lyon. Isn't Lyon wanting to bring back his father just as risky/selfish as Eirika who had less time to act and think about what she was doing? 

      I'm not saying Lyon is stupid, he's an intelligent guy but the double standards are real. 

    3. NekoKnight

      NekoKnight

      The way I see it is, Lyon had a lot of things weighing him down. He feels inferior to Ephraim, his feelings for Eirika remain unrequited and he doesn't think he has what it takes to be a capable ruler. To add on to this, his father is dying and there is the distant catastrophe that will destroy much of Grado unless he could stop it. Trying to revive his father is part of his own weakness and selfishness but harnessing the power of the Demon King to save his country was something he felt he had to do, regardless of the risk. Lyon is more a tragic character because he had the best intentions but he wasn't strong enough and fell into the Demon King's influence.

      I don't really hold it against Eirika that she handed over the Sacred Stone to Lyon because it gave her a human weakness. She hoped against hope that her friend could still be saved and she was mistaken. As for why others harp on the scene, I suppose they look at it purely from a logical objective viewpoint that Lyon is obviously untrustworthy. But again, I disagree with this verdict that Eirika was an idiot.

    4. Icelerate

      Icelerate

      The fact Lyon had multiple reasons for what he set out to do is what makes him so multidimensional. Him wanting to surpass Ephraim gives him a great reason to harness the power of the stone. Him wanting to stop a massive earthquake shows his innate selflessness while wanting to revive his father shows just how much of a caring and insecure son he is. He also wanted to impress Eirika as well. Also I remember a flashback where Eirika had faith in Lyon's ability to harness the stone's power for good so she unintentionally misled him on the dark path. 

      I think the Demon King's manipulation of Eirika was well done and it shows just how smart the demon king is. Instead of discussing the demon king's intelligence, the fanbase instead talks about Eirika being an idiot instead. 

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