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^ This Another possibility is that, since he was locked up in a fortress that probably had nice, soft carpeted floors, he never had a reason to wear shoes since they're worn to protect the feet.

Orochi: http://path-of-hoshido.tumblr.com/post/146427329631/twitter-torisudesu-permission-was-given-by Takumi (CQ spoilers): http://gaiusismysugardaddy.tumblr.com/post/149809471444/reddverse-crying-possessedtakumi-for Azura: http://flamingopuuuunch.tumblr.com/post/149737491110 Subaki/Hana: https://twitter.com/atodonotea/status/728939430455578624 Royals with hair swap: http://eighty-percent-takumi.tumblr.com/post/149216417576/it-sounded-better-in-my-head M!Corrin: http://rolling-in-the-bleach.tumblr.com/post/141295114219 Gerome/Cynthia: http://doromaya.tumblr.com/post/144188778520 Nowi: http://koyoriin.tumblr.com/post/149836716172/httppatreoncomkoyorin Young Elise (adorable): http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=58743039 Elise, Takumi, and Jakob: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=58360520 Felicia: http://tiny-peaches.tumblr.com/post/149814992440/160 Corrins: http://jjandeb.tumblr.com/post/149155467103/kamui-print-for-smash-d-all-their-forms Fem!Kana: http://maetrix.tumblr.com/post/149807118370/flower-child GBA Shigure: http://inqua.tumblr.com/post/149230565072/heres-shigure-in-gba-pegasus-knight-getup-because M!Corrin/Azura: https://twitter.com/Shirotuta/status/706508531332046848 Younger Garon (fanart for my fanfiction, wow!): http://cybercluster.deviantart.com/art/The-Lost-King-631861628

@The Geek: You seem to be missing a link, there... Hayato: http://kohiu.tumblr.com/post/143705643313 M!Corrin: https://twitter.com/atodonotea/status/741225891401859072 Julius/Ishtar: https://twitter.com/atodonotea/status/769967384211972097 Anna: http://www.deviantart.com/art/ADVENTURER-ANNA-631141522 Fem!Corrin and Fem!Corrin!Midori: http://www.deviantart.com/art/My-cute-beloved-daughter-Midori-631449639 Mozu: http://flashflights.tumblr.com/post/149696243612/so-all-of-her-supports-talk-about-how-shes Azura: http://vyvii.tumblr.com/post/148623658672 Lon'qu: http://midgaardian.deviantart.com/art/Lon-qu-457791494 Leo (Birthright spoilers): http://www.deviantart.com/art/King-of-Nohr-628976251 M!Corrin/Azura: https://twitter.com/141hio/status/673536557144387584 Laslow/Peri: https://aroejumping.tumblr.com/post/148197122840/laslow-peri-otp Selena, Laslow, and Odin: http://kumaokaa-san.deviantart.com/art/Friendship-627491260?src=MC_deviation_stack Azura: http://flamingopuuuunch.tumblr.com/post/149498900730 Jakob: http://hasuyawwn.tumblr.com/post/148874618153 Lilith: http://lithety.tumblr.com/post/149673745096/got-a-little-carried-away-and-drew-lilith-i-wish Ryoma/Kagero: http://little-kamui-sama.tumblr.com/post/149703680154/i-have-a-request-can-you-draw-ryoma-x-kagero-ship M!Corrin/Azura: http://fluffysunbunny1.tumblr.com/post/146768629104/something-new-sorry-i-havent-drawn-in-a-while Arete: http://sicahya.tumblr.com/post/149706519571/lady-arete-queen-of-valla-and-nohr-songstress-of

Fem!Kana rocks Azura's hair. I like giving Selkie Setsuna's hair, to go with the little decorations on her clothes and hair. Forrest looks fantastic with pink, especially Sakura!Pink. Camilla's hair color is really nice on Nina. I don't pair Arthur with Fem!Corrin, but M!Kana looks incredible with his blonde hair. Like a mini-Cloud Strife. Siegbert looks good in exactly three colors: Charlotte!Blonde, Mozu!Brown, and Nyx!Black. Blonde and black/brown hair in general is really good.

Well, yeah, but that's old China, not modern China, which I thought you were talking about. And that only occurs under a specific set of circumstances, not something "common". Hoshido's not even based off China, but Japan. Wait, are you suggesting that because Hoshido is okay with aunt/nephew or uncle/niece marriage, they'd be okay with sibling marriage? Because there's nothing to suggest they're fine with the former, and evidence against them being fine with the latter--notably the fact that the Hoshidan royals are If Hoshido was fine with sibling marriage, that wouldn't be something for them to care about in the first place.

They're not, or if they are it's kept quiet. I can't think of a single place off the top of my head which allows that sort of marriage. It would have been common among the pharaohs of ancient Egypt, but ancient Egypt was very, very incestuous. Siblings marrying siblings, parents marrying their kids; aunt-nephew and uncle-niece would have been tame by their standards. Hinoka and Sakura are Corrin's sisters, not his nieces. And sibling incest is definitely not legal in modern-day Asia.

Another way is to go by classes. Odin's class is Dark Mage; the only dads who can pass down Dark Mage are Robin, Libra and Henry, so it's one of them. Given the plothole caused by Robin being Odin's dad and the fact that Odin is , Henry seems most likely to me. Laslow keeps his main class, but his secondary is Ninja. The closest class to Ninja in Awakening was Thief--dads who pass down Thief are Robin (again), Kellam, Gaius, Lon'qu, Vaike, and Henry. ...and that's about as far as I can narrow it down, other than eliminating Henry if he's Odin's dad. There's no way to tell who Selena's dad is this way since she gets Pegasus Knight/Sky Knight from her mom. It's probably not something the devs really intended us to think about, but it's still fun to speculate.

I remember that series! So good. But that's only with a mod, it can't happen in the base game.

Niles/Camilla: https://twitter.com/atodonotea/status/706106373751177217 M!Corrin/Azura: https://twitter.com/grgrmwr0/status/751416688814370816 Laslow/Peri: http://sketchesbyfitz.tumblr.com/post/147518663646/can-you-do-laslow-x-peri-i-really-love-them Lyn: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Lyn-Awakening-630797105 Arete: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Vallite-Queen-630647687 Mitama: https://twitter.com/141hio/status/747080915633901574 Oboro/Takumi: https://twitter.com/sawatarit/status/728772086345310208 Fury Erin: https://twitter.com/sawatarit/status/744975359431450625 Kiragi/Fem!Kana: https://twitter.com/grgrmwr0/status/755321825341550592 Several Fates characters: https://twitter.com/samo_game/status/736941454707150849 Ryoma and Corrin: http://rae-ink.tumblr.com/post/149523635238/dedicated-this-print-to-my-saviors-during-invasion L'arachel: http://maligknights.tumblr.com/post/149523128580/i-cant-believe-i-overlooked-the-last-two-days Kaden: http://darlinggrim.tumblr.com/post/149560871555/i-almost-married-him-in-my-hoshido-playthrough M!Corrin/Azura: http://somjith.tumblr.com/post/140057195117/dance-with-me Lon'qu/Olivia comic: http://apticho.tumblr.com/post/149333905687/ah-um-uuuaauhhh-how-do-i-let-go

That's not strictly true, and it's something I wish the game touched on more. Tl;dr, there should actually be a really big fuss about the Vallite succession since it's so tangled up in right by blood, right by conquest, and right by age. Even though Azura passes the throne off to Corrin, she still has a very strong claim which could be used to stir up trouble in the future. It's something they should genuinely be worried about and discuss more carefully than "oh it's fine I don't want it, you take it and there will never be any future problems". Unless you have them marry each other, which makes everything moot since they both get the throne. Which actually was a real-world solution to super-messy inheritance crises. (Can you tell how much of a CK2 and ASoIaF fan I am?)

That's my reasoning for it. because he's supposed to be Valla's heir ofc Fair point. If the Kanas don't have an older sibling, then the Corrin's don't have a kid for, what, five to six years? That's a long time for a king/queen to wait for his/her heir. If the Kanas do have an older sibling, though, it makes more sense why they're so young since the Corrins don't have to worry about their kingdom having an heir and probably stopped trying so hard to have kids.

It's from his JPN sibling supports. He refers to Shiro and Siegbert as "elder brothers", but everyone else as "younger brother/sister". Which does mean him being Asugi's brother doesn't make sense since he should be the Saizo, but eh. The kids don't make sense and probably aren't even canon (insofar as being born during the game goes). EDIT: Blah, thought you were saying this in response to Shigure being younger than Shiro and Siegbert.

Because they care about them? As for why not leaving it to Hinoka, they don't know that she's split off to rescue them--she does that on her own. In the fact that there are still Hoshidans who don't trust her and try to kill her, despite what the royals have said (re: her supports with Subaki and Saizo). More than that, listening to her and going to the Canyon means abandoning the rescue of their princes for--as far as they know--no good reason. Can you see Saizo and Kagero doing that, or Oboro and Hinata? I didn't ignore the point, I merged it with the answer above. The fact that not everyone trusts her and the fact that they have other things to worry about are why the army would be unwilling to follow her there. Corrin jumps into the ravine because they need a place to hide out (and because Corrin trusts everyone). But in BR, the army thinks Ryoma/Takumi is in danger and wants to rescue them as quickly as possible, and then later prioritizes invading Nohr to end the war as quickly as possible. This is again related to the above--Azura chooses not to share what she knows because they have immediate problems, and sharing what she knows requires ignoring those problems, which most people are unlikely to want to do. She doesn't know she's going to die, so she doesn't see a reason to share everything right now. It wouldn't be a "quick detour" to Hoshido because they have more soldiers with them and would need more time to get there, unlike in REV where the smaller numbers meant faster travel. It's not just Sakura and her retainers--they're the only ones who join you gameplay wise, but plotwise there's an army mobilizing to find the princes. Orochi: Our tactician, Yukimura, is readying the troops to march on Izumo. It's nonsensical only when there hasn't been a precedent for it. Desertion in the Fire Emblem series has always been regarded as treason, and that's no different here. Camilla's regarded as a traitor after splitting off to join Corrin in REV, judging by her battle dialogue with Xander, and Ryoma states as much the same to Kagero in their battle dialogue. Even taking a late-night walk is enough for Corrin to get scrutinized in CQ. Just because we don't know what a character is thinking doesn't mean we can't infer from what we know of them. From what we know of Azura, she has a generally dour view of the world, is still unpopular in Hoshido, and hasn't opened up even to some of the Hoshidan siblings (re: supports with Ryoma and Takumi). It's easy to infer a character with those traits fearing suspicion or poor treatment. He does, but he doesn't say how soon "soon" is. I was going to argue they could come back, but I realized that was more meaningless speculation and decided not to. Corrin apparently found some "obscure texts" about Anankos (re: REV supports with Azura), so there's at least some information about him available, and in BR/CQ the siblings hear his name and wonder if he had a role in this. So there are at least other ways to find out about Anankos, even if not Valla. EDIT: I posted mine almost right after yours, but you're right, sorry. Who was the one left? Nina? Her trope is easily the Yaoi Fangirl/fujoshi.

My apologies. I assumed that because they were in Dragonfall they were the ones who had taken it, but you're right, there's nothing stating that.

You keep saying my arguments don't hold up to scrutiny, but you don't say how. You keep ignoring my point that she was in a situation where she could not bring the army to the canyon because they had other, immediate concerns--saving Ryoma and Takumi, and protecting Hoshido from invasion. You keep ignoring the fact that the army is not going to listen to a political prisoner asking them to jump off a canyon. You keep ignoring the fact that Azura's not omniscient and she doesn't know she won't survive the war, and just maybe assumed she'd have time to tell them later, so decided to focus on the problems they have right now. It's because it was just her, Corrin and Felicia/Jakob in REV that they got there so quickly. Travelling in a group of three people is a lot faster than travelling with a massive army, where you have more tents/supplies/etc to pick up, more soldiers to ensure are in line, people moving at different paces, and so on. Yes, she should worry about saving the world, but it does her no good to tell them about Valla now if they lose Hoshido doing so, because they need its soldiers to fight Anankos. They go to Fort Jinya because it's short-staffed, according to Sakura. Again, army obligations assigning them to duties. Yes, I do have proof. It's called history. Desertion in any military force, at any time period, has always been regarded as a crime. Fire Emblem is no exception to this--Heath in FE7 is branded a traitor for desertion even if it was for good reasons, for example. The Hoshidan siblings trust her and Corrin, but would they keep trusting them if they deserted during a rescue mission to rescue Takumi, or during an invasion of their former home countries? She doesn't know, so she doesn't take the chance. From what's said in Chapter 5, Ryoma and the others are able to see the soldiers. It wouldn't take much guesswork to figure out they work for some third faction interested in destroying both Hoshido and Nohr. In BR the Sage is still alive. Your argument is also full of assumptions, that Leo and Camilla aren't in fact smart and politically savvy enough to know that the Nohrian royal line needs to continue and wouldn't try to ensure it's continuation even if depressed. But yes, this is a pointless argument since it's too much speculation. My original point was that Xander himself isn't needed for the Fire Emblem's creation, just his sword, and that it can't be held against Azura since she didn't know about the Fire Emblem at all. Azura: But when the war started, everything changed. After you, a prince/princess of Hoshido, sided with Nohr, the Hoshidans wished to banish me. The general consensus was that nobody with ties to the enemy could be trusted. [...] Azura: Ryoma and the others stood up for me. They tried their best to protect me. But one day a group of Hoshidan soldiers captured me and took me here. Bolded for emphasis. It sounds like most of Hoshido was in support of her ejection and that the only ones defending her were the royal siblings. That doesn't sound like a small faction.

I thought it was universally understood that Fates had bad writing? :P

He can't leave Valla without being severely weakened, so yes, he needs to either send soldiers or possess someone. So taking Garon out would be the best thing to do, correct. Problem is, you can't just commit regicide and get away with it. So I do agree that exposing Garon for a monster was the best thing to do.

You don't see a problem with yours? She had two choices, but the situation she was in made one of them unviable. The army was not going to delay rescuing their crown prince and second/third prince on her say-so--she's not in charge and she's still distrusted among Hoshidans. And once they were rescued, Ryoma and Takumi were not going to detour to the Canyon and extend the amount of time Hoshido is destroyed on a vague "I'll tell you when we get there". The only reason Corrin listens to her in REV is because he's Corrin and they were desperate. Because in Birthright, they have obligations to the army and Hoshido which they have to fulfill, or else be labelled deserters and traitors. In Revelation, she and Corrin are on their own. But there are people alive who still know about him (Selena and Odin, possible Laslow) and people who can still stop him. Hoshido and Nohr have time to recover their strength and forge better relationships so they can unite against him, whereas during the game they were at war and weren't likely to make peace. Is it ever stated that the weapons can only be used by the direct descendant of the previous wielder? I know only members the royal family can use them, but if any member can be born with the ability to use it, it stands to reason Camilla could have a child able to use Siegfried, or that Leo could have a second kid able to do the same. And keep in mind that Azura didn't know that they'd need Siegfried to make the Omega Yato, or that it was even key to killing Anankos in the first place--they only learn about that from the Rainbow Dragon. A minority group that was able to kidnap her right out of Hoshido's castle, evade any pursuing Hoshidan soldiers, get into Nohr, and then fight off Corrin's forces? That sounds like a bigger faction to me. Being treated poorly doesn't justify it, but it does mean she no longer owes them anything. I'm not arguing that Nohr's invasion of Hoshido wasn't evil or that there isn't a problem with black-and-white morality. I'm arguing with your metaphor because it wasn't an accurate representation of the situation. The metaphor you used is similar to what Garon is doing, invading something for the lolz. She's more in line with a Camus, going along with it while not necessarily liking it (and no, I'm not saying Azura's a Camus). Both are wrong, but there's different levels of wrong involved. No, that's not what I was saying, though I can see how it came off that way. I should have clarified it better, sorry.

Again, when should they go to the ravine? Immediately after BR starts, they hear that Takumi and Ryoma are missing and set out to rescue them. Immediately after they rescue them, Ryoma directs the army to invade Nohr. Immediately after they start to invade Nohr, they hear how Yukimura is having trouble holding the Nohrian forces off at home, and decide to rush to the capital to assassinate Garon and end the war before they lose. There isn't exactly time for a jaunt to the Canyon in there. I fail to see how her sacrifice was in vain as, without it, the party would have been dead many times over and then Anankos actually would have won. She doesn't "doom the world"--while she doesn't stop Anankos, the epilogue states the characters lived long and happy lives, so she at least delayed his plans for 50-ish years. Heirs of Fate shows that Siegfried can be used to power up Yato without Xander, so him being dead doesn't really matter since the weapon itself wasn't lost and someday, someone else can pick it up. A country that exiled and tried to kill her. I'm pretty sure attempting to do that to someone destroys any loyalty they owe you. And it does make a difference in that your example suggested she conquered an uninvolved country on a whim rather than conquered a country involved in the war. One is being evil, the other is part of being at war.

She doesn't stop the real bad guy in Birthright because they never set foot in Valla and they never have time to set foot in Valla. Keep in mind she doesn't know Corrin can travel through water, so she thinks the only way to get people there is through the Canyon, which they don't have time for as they're either: trying to rescue Takumi and Ryoma, or beelining to Nohr's capital to end the war before Nohr's forces crush Hoshido's defenses. Yes, she's a dick when she knowingly kills herself with her song to save Takumi in BR, save the group from Fort Dragonfall in BR, attempt to exorcise Garon in BR/CQ, weaken Garon/CQ!Takumi so they can beat them in BR/CQ, and free Gunter in REV. One bad deed, which she feels bad about, caused by bad writing, overrides everything good a character ever does, even when she never does it on two of the three routes. You know what's wrong with this example? The fact the Nohr was already at war with Hoshido. She was supporting an invasion already in progress, not championing for them to start an invasion. Plus you say their president when it should be my president.

Maid!Mitama: http://drizzlingdawn.deviantart.com/art/Maidtama-Commission-629797943?src=MC_deviation_stack Owain: http://flintdragonrider.deviantart.com/art/Owain-Odin-628818184?src=MC_deviation_stack Felicia: http://flintdragonrider.deviantart.com/art/I-will-always-be-there-for-you-623682734?src=MC_deviation_stack Azura: http://dragontamer75.deviantart.com/art/Hear-What-I-Hear-629869183?src=MC_deviation_stack Laslow/Peri: http://zapotecdarkstar.tumblr.com/post/144285828451/perixlaslow-is-the-otp-for-conquest-since-their Ilyana: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Arcthunder-CRITICAL-HIT-629042375 Cherche: http://xiuqiu.deviantart.com/art/Thank-you-for-100-watchers-629840167?src=MC_deviation_stack Virion/Olivia: http://soundlessroom.deviantart.com/art/Olivia-and-Virion-629869548?src=MC_deviation_stack M!Corrin/Azura: http://crimsondeaki.tumblr.com/post/148020312739/some-azurrin-au-i-just-started-sketching-i Azura: http://maligknights.tumblr.com/post/147962861829/day-18-favorite-dancerbard-i-love-ninian-and M!Corrin, Takumi, and Leo: https://twitter.com/atodonotea/status/758621337107599360

I wouldn't say their relationship is free of issues. She bonds with him pretty quickly, but she still doesn't open up to him fully--he has to walk in on her being hurt by the curse to learn about it in BR, and never learns about it in CQ. She still tries to do things herself rather than letting herself rely on him (again, the curse on BR and the dancer plan on CQ). Even on REV, the big happy route, her issues are never confronted--in fact, judging by the way she passes the crown off to Corrin to avoid leading herself, she's still suffering from them. So even then, when she trusts him and relies on him the most, she still never has her baggage resolved or has a moment where she decides to try and be more trusting/social. Suggest a bad plan one time... (Seriously, the rest of the time she never suggests a plan that will get innocents killed. If anything she tries to handle it herself and not drag anyone else into it.)

Agreed. She doesn't have quite the same level of emotional baggage as Takumi and Leo, but her potential husband would have to be very patient and encouraging to deal with her.

It's sad when half an S-support manages to be better and more tasteful (no "KYAAAAAAAH", no throwing; seriously, kudos to IntSys for resisting that overused and irritating cliche) than an entire support chain. The dude's been locked in a tower his whole life where the only girls around were his sisters and his servants, and now he's confronted with the naked body of the woman he loves. I'm not surprised he peeked. Doesn't make it okay, of course, but it's understandable and still better than Chrobin.