Athena_57
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I didn't really? Why does it weird you out?
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@RADicate I'm about to ISO Jester, anything you want me to keep in mind / pay attention to when I do?
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Tbh the reason I backed down was that it was almost 2AM here and I wanted to sleep lmao Reason I unvoted earlier today is that I'm less set on one of weiner/claire necessarily being scum than I was and that Kaif post was just a massive ooph for me. So rn I'm thinking whether I want to go Claire or not bc what I'm holding against weiner fits her to some extent as well or whether I just want to drop the two of them entirely for now. (Also part of me is still playing with the thought of voting weiner again) In other words, my unvote is mostly a "Hold on, lemme think"-thing
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##Unvote grumble I'll be back later, but xnad could you elaborate on your jester case, like I'm not really seeing how that first post is agenday?
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sigh, maybe you're right, I'll look over jester's posts + EOD again when I'm less tired tomorrow, I should be around a decent amount then I also kind of want to see where Claire takes things today / what the amy slot does before I consider more scenarios there He linked his game to me at some point, he only made 7 posts before subbing out so that might be worth checking (I myself didn't get much out of it but I haven't seen much of town!sully either so :shrug:)
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Idk man, maybe you're right in that it went too fast / unanticipated for them. I think in that case maybe they were confident in the Marth wagon pulling through until that dissolved and Ichigo was suddenly on top. Peak Marth wagon was like you/Ichigo/rad/via iirc? I feel like if scumteam is banking on Marth staying ahead of Ichigo they probably have 2 people on there? Via still clear so that points to RAD/you again imo, bc I'm not really seeing a world where scumteam's plan is to lynch Marth over Ichigo but they have 1 busser + 1 person on the sidelines? Other scenario would be no busser but just two people staying off entirely whilst they hope the Marth wagon wins which is ehhh
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I meant town!RAD or me here, tho ig both work
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(not super relevant for the overall story, but two of those were on wagon) I think the issue you're not really answering here is why is the scumteam handling EOD like this in such a case? Like, maybe I'm massively overstating this issue, but I don't really see a team with Ichigo/Bart/one of those following a coherent strategy as a team? With for example a Ichigo/Claire/jordan scumteam you have claire trying to swing the wagon to me and ichigo leaving himself open to vote town!you or me and jordan laying low to join either of those if it catches on, or just stay on rad if they don't. Similar setups work with Ichigo/Claire/??? or Ichigo/you/???, but not really without any of ichigo's partners doing smth bc ichigo's actions don't make sense to me in that context.
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I'm not saying I'm not open to the idea of a busser ftr. I'm just sort of ??? on what the other member was doing and how Ichigo's behaviour at EOD fited with that. Like let's run with the scum!Bart scenario. Let's also say the other scummember isn't one of the people trying to create a counterwagon, so it's like xnad or whatever who's just laying low. Why has the team given up on him when jester, maybe marth/me are possible counterwagons being thrown out and why is ichigo giving out spew when his team has given up on him?
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For clarity, I'm not saying you're lockscum for it either, but it is something I'm holding against you and whilst I don't have any real hard scumreads elsewhere and not a real good idea of what scumteam was doing if not trying to create a counterwagon like you/claire/rad did it makes you my de facto top scumread. Speaking of which, could you answer this:
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It also doesn't answer why dunn was fine voting me/jester, but not okay with wagoning you (yes, WIFOM is possible, but the 'likeliest'/easiest conclusion is that you're his partner)
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In retrospect, yes. But a hypothetical scum!you might have felt he could get a wagon elsewhere
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No-one on there is clean, but I do think the timing of the votes from Jester and Sully look great on them (see my first post of today), hence why I'm giving them a townread (note: not a clear) Bart is town for the same reason I had him as town yesterday, which is that his earlygame makes more sense from town!bart in that him trying to create content there is likelier than some weirdass way to handle his vote as scum. Not my strongest townread, and the likeliest busser imo, but a townread nonetheless
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You tried to create a wagon at EOD (one of the two Dunn approved of) and Dunn didn't want to join a CFD on you to save himself.
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Ngl Bart, I'm not really seeing your Claire case in that I don't really understand why it makes her scum? I can agree her case on you was bad, but I don't think it's so bad it's scummy I sort of feel that last part, but what do you (also @weinerboy ) think scumteam was doing at EOD if not trying to get a counterwagon going? Dunn was, imo, definitely not a dead man walking, at least before the sully vote, and out there giving spew so idt scumteam gave up on him.
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Why though? @SullyMcGully Could you link me your scumgame on MU? Obvious stuff but good to have stated: Jester's vote timing (tying Marth/Ichigo wagons when it was 4 on Marth, 3 on Ichigo) looks really good on him. Ichigo was already the leading wagon when sully voted, but his vote was def the nail in the coffin at a time when Ichigo hadn't given up yet imo and therefore not a likely bus vote. I already had Via as locktown but if I hadn't yet I would now. If there's a busser it's most likely Bart, but even that is iffy and I already had a townread there, so I'm inclined to think the wagon is clean. Three people tried to start EOD wagons, Weiner, Claire and RAD on jester, me and weiner respectively. Of note, Ichigo approved of the former two, but not the one on weiner. With Claire I really liked how she had a bunch of scumreads on D1 bc what I remember from scum!Claire (note: this was ITP!Claire, not mafia) her plan was to have one scumread and make that seem genuine to stick to that for content and her making more 'waves' is smth I townread her for. That said, I can't really find a satisfactory explanation for her scumreads on either me or more importantly weiner. @Mitsuru Kirijo Can you sort of recap those for me? With Weiner I townread him for his overall good analysis of shit like the bart wagon but looking back his vote history is kind of bad. (Marth->Nobody for a longish time->Jester) @weinerboy What's your stance on Jester atm? RAD is just sort of questionable stances on Marth/Dunn but reaaaally good tone so eh. Town points for his turbo not being approved of by Ichigo bc I'd expect scumteam to coordinate that stuff? All three have medium Dunn interactions going both ways with them mostly ignoring him / nulltownish reading him in rad's case and dunn supporting each of them a bit at some point. (Too lazy to link rn, ask me if you want them) I don't really want to delve into the Marth NK since it's probably just him being near lockclear by interaction + being a good player, esp w/ via suggesting a sub out marth is the clear kill. Lynchpool for me today is the three I mentioned before, with Claire/Weiner a step over RAD. ##Vote: @weinerboy Seems like a good start for end of day shenanigans. Townreads on Jester/Bart/Sully (pending whether his scumgame matches this game or not) / Via Null on Kaif/Shinori/Jordan/RAD Would lynch Weiner/Claire
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@XnadrojX Who are you scumreading rn? You're voting rad but from what you're posting idt that's a real vote anymore (correct me if I'm wrong)
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Hard agree w/ Shinori that that is a terrible attitude to take wrt bart. Your viewpoint is more likely to come from a "treat everyone fairly/equally" than a "discern alignment"- mindset. Reads to me more like scum angry someone gets to be scummy than anything. Why are you scumreading Marth again? Iirc it was bc you wanted his reads to be better, but I don't really see how he's been less productive than others like amy/shinori for example. What makes him worse?
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Wasn't your question about refa though? I'm trying to find if he went over his Marth read anywhere
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First reaction to jester was that I didn't like it bc I disagreed with a lot, but after rereading I don't hate it as much. I need to actually get on a computer and pull up the pages he's referring to but idk when that will happen Aight, will do
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@Vi-astra
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Really? I was doing a reread (well, reskim) there bc I wanted to doublecheck him/refa for having somewhat easy pushes but I really liked his loose posting... What makes you think he's scum?
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I ws taught to stand on the shoulders of giants. (Also I'm too sleepy to remember sources)
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Well, my fortune cookie told me that if we didn't get our act together in 2 hours my great-aunt may experience a slight inconvenience so maybe that gives some sense of urgency
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Wait didn't we have like slightly over 24 hours. Did I mention I have a hateboner for dumbtells
