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  1. Conrad gave her the crown and told her to ascend, Mae and Boey have no qualms. Forcing them to magically care about Conrad, someone they barely know, and try to argue/ask about true heir shit is silly and will always be silly. It's not relevant, never has been, never will be, cope with the fact that it's already been taken care of and made clear. Your nitpicks are worthless. Celica is the important heir, not Conrad as he doesn't act like one and pushes everything onto Celica. Not when Echoes has zero focus on that. Zofia's already in chaos and focused on the war, any discussion about the future is irrelevant as Alm takes charge as ultimate leader and unifies Valentia. No one's going to randomly focus on a mysterious Conrad that they don't know is alive until the game is over. Conrad already says for Celica to ascend the throne and gives her the crown. If that isn't enough for you to put it together than that's just the work of your behavior and being petty over miniscule details.
  2. No they would not, as they already bent the knee for Celica. They saw their friend accepting the throne, they have no reason to try and put up Conrad or talk about some random nonsense when Conrad already says that she can save this world, not him. They are going to support Celica and stick with that, as they should. The current focus was Mila, not the throne and the heir stuff that Mae and Boey blatantly don't care as much about. Clive? Sure whatever but Boey and Mae? The ones who go back home and stay out of the affairs? No. And you ignore that being worthy is a significant thing. If it's clear to the playerbase that Celica is more worthy then they have no reason to force a throne drama or discussion with Conrad. Not when the story was about Alm and Celica and their struggle with the gods, not the damn throne. Conrad already gave the crown to Celica and that's that. Accept it rather than making a mountain out of a molehill. Your discussion has long started to lose its worth when it's nothing but a nitpick. Trying to complain at the game because they didn't randomly force Conrad to be more important than he needed to be. Being the main character's sibling does not grant you dibs to inflate one's importance, Conrad already placed his faith in Celica in front of everyone, therefore nullifying some random "more legitimate heir" bullshit by default. As Conrad blatantly doesn't want the throne and directly says for Celica to take it.
  3. Memory prisms and expand multiple characters' roles without forcing an avatar in.
  4. Yep as Kris taking Marth's dialogue instead (unlike Echoes where that doesn't happen) and Marth, a far more experienced character, being made worse is inexcusable. Bad logic.
  5. Your examples are worthless junk. Boey and Mae randomly bringing it up when they already saw Conrad relinquish the throne opportunity to Celica is out of character nonsense for them to do. They also DON'T give a shit about that kind of discussion, far more focused on protecting Celica and going home. But nice projection and declaring any disagreeing point with you as "lack of argument" just because you want to cover your ears ignore it. Conrad is not important, Celica secures everything and did far more than him. They don't need to waste time and development for a character that only presents himself as a knight to protect Celica. Celica was already ascending the throne, they don't need to address "rightful heir" when Celica is just as, if not more, worthy as I already made clear. The characters that talk about that kind of crap are far away from Conrad and are on Alm's route, where they accept Alm as their leader. They're not going to change the entirety of the game's structure just because you feel like nitpicking.
  6. Yes it does, Conrad not having the throne nor being challenged about that is made clear as he told Celica to already. Which she long accepted... in front of everyone, with all of the common people only seeing the princess who cared enough to take the mantle. Celica being the more suitable leader is exactly why the game doesn't make a big deal over Conrad, as he's objectively the lesser choice with Conrad himself placing his faith in Celica. That's not counting the fact that Zofia was already a hot mess and busy with the war, terrors, pirates and all of this shit. There is no room in the game for some forced discussion and giving Echoes guff for not forcing a controversial character to detract from the main plot is just nuts, dude.
  7. It IS a footnote as the game already acknowledged Celica as the more suitable leader. Both in and out of the game's context, Celica is the lord and came out of hiding to help people. While Conrad did not care and only came out for Celica, all while performing the coronation and directly telling her to go to the throne. There is no room to force some random scene in Celica's route when we already had our answer. No, that prementioned scene would once again be forced and dumb. Just make Boey and Mae look like idiots that forgot what happened at Mila's Temple. Boey and Mae were directly present for the coronation and accepted Celica as their ruler. Hell, in both Gaiden AND Echoes' endings they do not care for what happens next on the throne and instead head back to their simple home on Novis. Conrad did not need more forced "noteworthyness" he's a side character in a FE game who did not have the brand nor did he bother to reveal himself to the people who would ask. The game's structure literally cannot do it without randomly detracting from what the game is trying to do. Conrad's a controversial inclusion story-wise as is and you're telling me that the game did bad for not forcing him further and trying to LITERALLY DETRACT FROM THE MAIN PLOT? Jotari, come on. This logic makes no fucking sense and it's driving me nuts. You bring up that they should make light of Conrad's position in his ending, which they do as it's made clear that Conrad was content serving Celica and ignored any suitors. That's a dead giveaway how little value he puts in his position as he doesn't think about the future and anyone passing his legacy. Instead staying single and dying single. Any conversation is unrelated to the main story Gaiden told, like, ridiculously branched off, so it's POINTLESS to shove in.
  8. Not when he makes Celica wear the crown and he doesn't have the brand, which was documented to be important in Valentian culture. He directly gave importance to her over him in front of everyone, so no one would give a shit. He'd only be asked (if anyone on Alm's route cared) after the game, as the game is not about Conrad and the throne. It's a fucking footnote dude.
  9. Sort of, I won't fault a game if it doesn't force itself to do that. I like Mystery of the Emblem after all, but it irks the shit out of me when Kris was not only forced in a game that clearly didn't fit them... They hog the writing when Archanea finally had a chance to make people care about its side characters. Hell, a lot of people don't care for Marth and he's the goddamn main lead! What on earth was going through Maeda's brain to force an avatar and give Marth's achievements to Kris? This is inexcusable to me. You know you fucked up when I see the majority of people like Palla, Est, and Catria more from their inclusion in Echoes than New Mystery. And Echoes had waaayyy less dialogue and opportunities than NM. No shit if it's Kris stealing Marth's achievement and shining character moment. That does not happen in Echoes as no one is handed Alm's strategy scene, it's just removed to replace with a scene that's more consistent with someone as slightly inexperienced as Alm.
  10. You mentioned that Conrad is "more legitimate", he's not. Celica is just as legitimate, she has the hyped up brand and is just as much of a royal. She's Lima's child too and has a place on the throne. Moreso when Conrad puts everything on her shoulders in front of everyone and Celica actively cared about helping her people, Conrad did not. This is literally the most worthless thing to complain about. "How DARE they not force some drama with a character who already placed importance onto Celica! Bad writing!!11" The story was never about "who gets the throne" lmao.
  11. It's offensive because a random character steals Marth's achievements. There is no character stealing Alm's achievements, anything with Lukas and Clive are made up achievements that wasn't in Gaiden to flesh them out as characters. Alm having cut dialogue is far different from Kris being the one to say strategies instead of someone who's SEEN a war like Marth.
  12. You've proven that you're not really listening, you write it off as "weak attempts at justifying bias" when Echoes and New Mystery are completely different games, stories and situations. You used one example that doesn't cover all of Kris' flaws and problems and still use that to assume I'd be fine if any other character had Kris' role. Fuck no I would not, especially to actively undermine EVERY story scene to center around that character and force Marth to act weird and push them over everyone else. Especially making characters like Elice act off for the sake of putting Kris on a pedestal. Hell, that example you brought up... There WAS no character stealing Alm's lines or turning the scene to praise some unrelated character. No, it was just cut dialogue for consistency in the current story's events.
  13. Again, Conrad is not more worthy. He relinquished his position in front of the people who would potentially ask him on Celica's route. Celica has the crown and brand, the only one who would be mildly curious where Conrad fits in things (Berkut and Clive) are not present in her route. Conrad's entire mission was centered around Celica and encouraged her to rule and lead over him. It's not an important detail and it's something that would only be mentioned long after the game's intentional story is over and done with.
  14. It's just... people trying to make it out to be a flaw of Echoes' writing for not focusing on a disposable side character who already put importance in Celica over himself irks me. Anything with Conrad's future position is stuff unrelated to the current story. It's like shitting on Shadow Dragon for not focusing on "how Marth rebuilds Archanea" over the actual story of Marth taking back his kingdom and stopping Gharnef. Or giving guff to Genealogy for not dedicating scenes of Seliph's rule AFTER the war was already finished.
  15. He is not more legitimate, he does not have the brand and did not engage on this topic. No one on Celica's side gives a shit about Conrad and already accepted Celica as their ruler. Celica is more worthy for reasons I have elaborated on. Especially when, by default, she's more worthy when Conrad actively relinquishes it and the only ones who would care to have a potential discussion about Conrad's position (Clive or Berkut) are not present in Celica's route. The game's story is not about who gets the throne, it was focusing on matters that Gaiden primarily centered around and anything with Conrad would be a discussion long after the story Gaiden wanted to tell. No, Mae and Boey would not talk about it. They are commoners that just wanted to get Mila and protect Celica, they express as such. Long accepting her as the one to lead them thanks to CONRAD's coronation. It's just dumb to complain that a story didn't focus on something it never intended to focus on, especially when Alm and Celica were consistently made both in and out of game to be more important. Nothing but an iffy nitpick.
  16. Your opinion falls flat, you just jumped to conclusions to push shit that isn't true. Alm is a fundamentally different character from Marth, you used one example at a desperate attempt of a "gotcha" moment and when I explain otherwise you cover your ears and ignore it. I do not blindly hate avatars or I would've never argued in Byleth's favor or like Robin as much as I do. Kris' role is pure shit, I would not be lenient on anyone else and there IS no similar case to Kris.
  17. But there wasn't so that's entirely hypothetical. Especially assuming if Conrad wouldn't just reject the Deliverance like Mycen did lmao. Conrad from what we see only ever has interest in protecting Celica. If he cared for the affairs he would've ran out and started doing stuff long before Celica came out of hiding. Alm proved himself worthy and thus the cast turned to him, end of story. They don't even see Conrad until the game's long over with. Meaning that discussion is literally impossible to have, that's like expecting Shadow Dragon to explore how Marth rebuilt his kingdom and handled things as a whole after the story has been told. Nope, I see your argument and it doesn't work. Conrad did less, influenced 10x less people, did not lead, did not wear the crown, does not have the brand, etc. Celica is the polar opposite and Conrad is aware of how capable she is. He would be acting different if she wasn't capable. It's "not noticed" because the story's plot and events center around issues unrelated to Conrad. Especially when Celica is far more indisputable, legal and actively embracing it while Conrad does nothing but humbly protects her. All of the characters are either irrelevant in Fire Emblem tradition or don't really think about shit with the throne. Especially when Celica's side long accepted her as the one to "ascend to the throne".
  18. You mean how you pushed your conclusion all over again and forced me to re-explain only for you to ignore and force me to jump through hoops anyway? Because it's so fucking obvious that I hate Kris for reasons that I would hate other characters for if they repeated every single one of Kris' problems. -Uninteresting character -Shoehorned in established scenes while adding nothing outside of making scenes now center around the character for no good reason -"Ohhh you're so perfect and strong and cool and unique and quirky and kind and-" -Undermines the lord in a way that doesn't make sense.
  19. Alm is considered king because he's a major reason why they take back the castle and serves as a charismatic leader. It's not only because there's "no other options". If Alm wasn't suitable, Clive would've took the mantle or never mention Alm being fitting as king. Celica already proved to be a fantastic leader and the one wearing the crown CONRAD provided. She also has a brand, which is hyped up in Valentian culture with years upon years of precedent importance in the official timeline. No one's going to question it when Celica and Alm were already accepted by their respective sides, even foes like Berkut say Alm is king and Jedah makes importance of Celica and her brand, not Conrad. The game consistently places value in the two main leads with Conrad himself long placing the crown on Celica and believing she can save them. The people put importance on Celica and what she's done for them, they would not cast her aside at that point just because Conrad's a man, he did nothing for them and only got out of hiding for Celica. Conrad did not fight of the pirates, Conrad did not try and free Est, Conrad never wore the crown. This shit is not as important as you're trying to push it to be nor does the game need to force some scene of asking that question when that would "potentially" happen after the game events are done with (as saving Mila took priority) and Valentia gets fully unified and put together.
  20. Repeating yourself does not make your point good. They do not do the same thing at all, elevating a character is fine but Kris took it too far. Echoes does not have a character like Kris and the way they were implemented. Kris is inherently forced and poorly written.
  21. Alm does take initiative in plenty of Echoes' scenes, some of them being entirely new. He's the one who chooses to join the Deliverance even when his friends shout "Alm are you crazy!?", he uses his words and actions to eventually win over Clive. What about his great dialogue sequence with Mycen or when he encourages to march on Rigel? He also takes on Berkut and shouts at him when Berkut starts to ramble about the brand: "why do you care, are you ready to fight or not!?" and he even says to Tatiana that no one's an enemy of him as long as they don't meet on the battlefield. Some insightful stuff. He has some really good scenes in Echoes and he's about the same character from Gaiden. Alm being "aggressive" isn't the case, he shows to be a competent warrior like Echoes' Alm... But Gaiden Alm shows thoughtfulness, cries over Rudolf too, and is the one essentially being rational in his and Celica's argument while Celica storms off. If it was supposed to be Alm entirely being aggressive... Why wasn't he the one being snappy at Celica first rather than the other way around? Alm never gets snappy in that exchange either... He just says "that's mean Celica!" lol. Alm not being made to do everything is really good, it's consistent with his character especially when he's never seen the outside world (unlike Marth who's had a normal upbringing and fought an entire war before New Mystery).
  22. They never did the same thing, they didn't place any of Echoes' characters on a pedestal to be Alm or Celica's "other half". None of Echoes' characters steal Alm's specific scenes where he shines as a character. Echoes even gives Alm new ones that he overbearingly shines in, same for Celica. There was no Kris case in Gaiden nor Echoes. You make no fucking sense, Jotari. If Luke was relevant in a good way? Sure. Kris' way? Hell no.
  23. Alm is still treated as the future king, with both Luthier and Clive making it clear that he's fit for the position. Alm may feel differently but it explains why other characters do not turn to Conrad, they already see someone fit and that's Alm (or Celica). Also, no, I'm saying that if Alm and Celica were to hypothetically disagree on the Unification of Valentia, it's up in the air what Alm would've done if he found out about his ties to Rigel earlier. Actually read what I say, I did not say Alm being the king is up in the air lmao. It doesn't matter and stops being worthwhile when Conrad already relinquishes his position to Celica instead and she outshines him. Conrad himself placing Celica as their hope, it's not hard to comprehend. Especially with how hard Valentia places value in brands, her claim is superior.
  24. And if you applied what I said, it's made clear that I dislike Kris for being poorly implemented in a story that clearly doesn't fit them. The amount of favoritism they get with minimal things justifying that is annoying. If Luke got the same treatment I would dislike him too since they turned an established character into some weird overpowered insert. The Archanea story does not fit Kris. Kris, Katarina, the other Assassins and Kris' grandfather would've been better and more explored if they were featured in their own game.
  25. Fernand abandoned his kingdom, and even Fernand berates Clive for making "a boy you don't know from a gutter rat" king in their exchange within Chapter 3. So yes, Alm is undoubtedly the one being placed as future ruler of Zofia and then Rigel. Whether or not Alm would've accepted Zofia or give it to Celica is up in the air. There's more leaning toward the latter since Alm was willing to step down if the princess came in his stead. Ultimately, it does not matter as Alm performs a unification of Zofia and Rigel, with Celica by his side as his wife. Simple. Conrad believing Celica is more fit to rule than Conrad, proving my point that no one was trying to make Conrad king nor see any reason to. Both Celica and Alm were potential rulers. Conrad stayed back and instead put his faith in his sister while everyone put faith in either Alm or Celica.
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