Makaze

Yeah no. You said people need to "get good". That's a direct demand to improve skill, with a tacked on "you're not good right now". One of them is about your confidence in yourself (mine). One of them is about your level of confidence in others' skill (yours). If you lack confidence in yourself, or even if you do, that still doesn't make it right to take it out by blaming everyone else for your reads being wrong. Others shouldn't have to come to you to interact with you. If you want to find the Mafia, you need to interact with them. You ask them questions. You poke them out of lurking. You do shit other than sit there and whine that people are leaving you alone. You play the game, like everyone else is doing. Even Evan has contributed more than you now.

Don't insult fellow players whatever your alignment. How well you do this phase depends on your ability to read into action as well as inaction. Only you can determine how good your reads are. What are they, after this flip?

For the benefit of people who have more to say than LMAO: Evan hardcased Rapier towards the EoD and I was beginning to doubt my town read because of it. How he processes being wrong in light of mod confirmed alignment is much better than seeing him do lightning catchup pot shots in the final minutes of the phase.

I am surprised I survived. I would like to hear from @EvanManManMan about how he thinks he went wrong.

Day 1: Automated Votals from #101 to #131 Makaze (1): Magnificence Incarnate Not voting (1): Makaze Errors (3): Makaze, Makaze, Makaze Phase ends in 109h40m. Hammer at 10. Vote history:

Thw answer is yes the Mack change was unpromted and theffroe not faked

Pay attention in case I die

Evan is not scum based on this content imo.

Evan and fable not w/w at least

Fable listed you as his second favourite lynch. Didn't quote posts or anything

No one has cased you, I just said you were scum out of the gate and you haven't proved me wrong lol

Why does this behavior look bad for Athena and not for Fable (FMPOV Fable is doing the same thing but with more self-pres).

I think it's reasonable for you to look for scum there, I just happen to think it's all towns on that wagon. lol I don't believe Fenrir is independently scummy, including for reading too much into your joke, so your conclusion is flawed since you are assuming there is a scum when there might not be.

This I would agree because if Evan is town he will be a good asset later on, and his lynch is pretty much a modkill at this point (no content). He's just high on my PoE because I don't have any reasons not to suspect him (hence PoE instead of casing).

I don't understand your last question. Can you quote what you're talking about?

The last three can be in any order, it's hard for me to pin down priority there. Wouldn't lynch them today anyway.

I think it's a fundamentally easy vote for scum even if they are partners, but the absence of other pings and the way he presented it in that post just makes me think it's a lazy switch because he hasn't done his reading after moving off of Xdranoj, but it doesn't read as agenda'd to me. It's lazy at worst (which is not alignment indicative). Finally ISO's Fenrir. I feel like he is town as well, just from the pacing and complexity of his thoughts, which puts my PoE at: Fable Satsuma EvanManManMan athena Bartozio Mack From most to least scummy. What do you think of Fable? Is there anything you want to ask them?

##Vote @SatsumaFSoysoy I have an hour starting now. I just re-read Bartozio's ISO and I definitely don't get strong impressions either way, and don't feel especially bad about the way they voted Fable either. @Bartozio What do you think of people other than Fable and Xdranoj? Offically making a ##Votals call.

I just ISO'd Mackc2 to get some context and with the stuff Zeonth pointed out and the way he has responded to me, I don't feel like he is doing it intentionally. Posts like this don't read as scum motivated to me (especially given the lack of prodding between the posts to cause the change): I'm officially dropping my suspicion until further notice. Also ISO'd Satsuma. Some stuff pings me: He never followed up on this or even got a read off of how I responded (I replied with one word "No"). "Not quite on board with" pings me as hedging and qualitatively different from "I'm going to need sold on" and things like that. He's also not trying to interact with Fable himself, which makes this look worse. I don't like this sideways shading because what he is doing is not actually testing his theory or engaging with athena, and I really don't see the town motivation in talking around someone instead of at them when you aren't sure about them. Athena's case looks especially good with this. Leaning Satsuma/Fable buddies based on the weird way they dismissed a Fable lynch, so this lynch is fine with me, and gives more information than Fable (might also help convince you guys if he flips scum and provide some evidence to go with my gut read).

I wasn't really casing Mackc so much as prodding him, but I think I explained my thoughts fairly well. There is one thing I will say: I think Mackc's behavior is intentionally cautious, but I haven't gotten a feeling that he is lying or being ingenuine either. He's just being very careful about what he's doing. I think this is more likely to be scummy, but any case I made would be easy and not gut based, so I prefer not to get "tells" from behavior that I objectively can't read and subjectively don't have feelings about. I'd prefer to see him come out and risk something by making a reads list or something. Not hold himself in check.

I get off work at 8edt so 8 will be here for lunch and last break but not EOD. I am willing to consolidate on either Bart or Satsuma if necessary.

yeah um dude you don't need to ragequit to find the mafia and you definitely shouldn't consider makaze's way of mafia the site meta lmao i barely even play

Going to update with text fixes. Sorry guys, didn't mean to spam the thread...

my bad, i had to copy paste from the white theme because my post got garbled and auto posted and forgot to clear formatting on the repost

Zeonth town. @Zeonth @ The Mackc2 comment: Now that you put it like that, you're right, he did ask him why he town read athena. I read like this "Why do you only have one town read?" That's the question I thought he was asking. Now that you've pointed out there is another interpretation, it does change how I read it a bit. He did ask what he meant to ask (kind of).