Mystic Arcanum

Day 1: Automated Votals from #227 to #298 Jester's Gestures (4): Magnificence Incarnate, Athena_57, Bartozio, Shinori Magnificence Incarnate (2): XnadrojX, RADicate RADicate (2): Ampharos, Ichigo Bartozio (1): Vi-astra weinerboy (1): Mitsuru Kirijo Not voting (3): Sully McGully, weinerboy, Jester's Gestures Phase ends in 25h10m. Hammer at 8. Vote history:

@Jester's Gestures has subbed in for Refa.

Day 1: Automated Votals from #225 to #225 Ichigo (4): Magnificence Incarnate, Athena_57, Bartozio, Refa Bartozio (2): Mitsuru Kirijo, Sully McGully RADicate (2): Ampharos, XnadrojX Magnificence Incarnate (1): weinerboy XnadrojX (1): RADicate Not voting (3): Shinori, Vi-astra, Ichigo Phase ends in 30h31m. Hammer at 8. <Beta v2.0.4>

Day 1: Automated Votals from #1 to #224 Ichigo (4): Magnificence Incarnate, Athena_57, Bartozio, Refa Bartozio (2): Mitsuru Kirijo, Sully McGully RADicate (2): Ampharos, XnadrojX Magnificence Incarnate (1): weinerboy XnadrojX (1): RADicate Not voting (3): Shinori, Vi-astra, Ichigo Phase ends in 30h33m. Hammer at 8. Vote history:

Day 1: Automated Votals from #1 to #222 Ichigo (4): Magnificence Incarnate, Athena_57, Bartozio, Refa Bartozio (2): Mitsuru Kirijo, Sully McGully RADicate (2): Ampharos, XnadrojX Magnificence Incarnate (1): weinerboy XnadrojX (1): RADicate Not voting (3): Shinori, Vi-astra, Ichigo Phase End Vote history:

I’m currently trying to murder my computer as I attempt to get the script to work for it. Carry on.

##Votal

“For seventy-two hours these thirteen animals will play a game so intense that no sane creature would subject itself to such a trial. In the harshest game on the Internet they will find a way to either come to a compromise or die a slow death at the hands of their enemies. This is the incredible true story of a town’s journey to bring their Antarctic aggressors to their knees: Arctic Mafia.” -The Narrator, March of the Townies. Probably. It is now Day 1. Day 1 ends in 72 hours. With 13 alive, it takes 5 to lynch and 8 to hammer.

Living Players (9): @Kaif (Formerly Ampharos) @Bartozio @RADicate @Jester's Gestures (Formerly Refa) @Shinori @SullyMcGully @Baldrick (Formerly Vi-astra) @weinerboy @XnadrojX Dead Players (4): @Ichigo, Antarctic Goon, was lynched Day 1! @Magnificence Incarnate, Arctic Vanilla Townie, died Night 1! @Mitsuru Kirijo, Arctic Vanilla Townie, was lynched Day 2! @Athena_57, Arctic Oracle, died Night 2! Important Links: Day 1 Start! Day 1 End! (Subs: Refa -> Jester's Gestures, Ampharos -> Kaif, Ichigo, Antarctic Goon, lynched!) Night 1 End/Day 2 Start! (Magnificence Incarnate, Arctic Vanilla Townie died!) Day 2 End! (Subs: Vi-astra -> Baldrick, Mitsuru Kirijo, Arctic Vanilla Townie, lynched!) Night 2 End/Day 3 Start! (Athena_57, Arctic Oracle, died!)

Arctic Mafia RULES: 1. Fenrir and SB are the hosts of this game and reserve the right to edit these rules as necessary. Any changes made to the rules will be announced in the game thread. 2. This game is NOC. Communicate in the game thread only, unless a host specifically tells you otherwise. 3. You may not speak during the night phase unless a host specifically tells you otherwise. 4. You may not speak to dead players. Do not speak to non-players who aren't listed as hosts/IOs. 5. Taking screenshots or quoting outside communications with the host, real or forged, will result in an instant modkill. This applies to Role PMs, night results and any other form of communication. 6. Do not edit your posts. If you somehow slip up with this, contact me immediately and tell me what you changed. 7. If you are modkilled by any fault of your own, you lose. 8. If you attempt to gain an advantage for your faction through your modkill, measures will be taken to prevent this from happening. 9. If you don't post for 24 hours, you will be prodded. After several prods I will attempt to sub you out or modkill you if that isn't possible. Please inform me ahead of time if you are going to be absent. 10. Be civil. If you feel as though things are getting out of hand, please contact me and I will handle the situation if necessary. MECHANICS 1. This game starts on Day 1. 2. Day 1 will last 72 hours, and Day 2 and onward will be 48 hours, while nights last for 24 hours. These may be bent slightly for the sake of host convenience. 3. The player with the most votes at the end of the phase will be lynched. 1/3rd of the votes (rounded up) are required to lynch. 2/3rd of the votes (rounded down) hammers and ends phase early. Ties lead to a No Lynch. 4. No Lynch is a valid vote target. If two day phases end in No Lynch, the game will end in Universal Loss. 5. *YLO will not be announced. 6. You will be informed if you successfully targeted a player, and you will be informed if your action was redirected, and you will learn who your new target was. 7. To vote, use the following format: ##Vote: <USER> and to unvote use ##Unvote. 8. If 1/3 of the the living players ##Vote: Extension during a Day phase other than Day 1, the phase will be extended by 24 hours. This can only be done once. 9. Mafia members can communicate over Discord while they are alive. After they are dead, they cannot contribute to the discussion. 10. This game is cardflip, meaning that when a player dies, all that will be posted in the game thread will be their role, alignment, flavor, and a picture. SETUP 1. There are 13 players in this game. All of them are on the playerlist. 2. There are only two alignments in this game, the Town and the Mafia. 3. There are 10 townies. The Town win condition is as follows: "You are aligned with the Arctic. You win when all members of the Antarctic have been eliminated and at least one member of the Arctic remains alive." 4. There are 3 mafia members. The Mafia win condition is as follows: "You are aligned with the Antarctic. You win when your faction has achieved parity with the Arctic or nothing can prevent the same from happening." 5. There is at least one Town Vanilla in the game. 6. The safeclaims for Mafia members have been selected through RNG. Character claims have no bearing on alignment. 7. This is not a bastard game. Everything happens for a reason.

Eleven players have confirmed. The game thread is being posted.

(Hype intensifies) Role PMs will be sent out shortly. As of 11:32 AM EST, all Role PMs have been sent! Please confirm in your Role PM once you have received yours. The game will begin when 11/13 players have confirmed (at which point the game thread will also be posted).

Arctic Mafia (Signups) If I did something horribly wrong in this signup post let me know :thumbsup: RULES: 1. Fenrir and SB are the hosts of this game and reserve the right to edit these rules as necessary. Any changes made to the rules will be announced in the game thread. 2. This game is NOC. Communicate in the game thread only, unless a host specifically tells you otherwise. 3. You may not speak during the night phase unless a host specifically tells you otherwise. 4. You may not speak to dead players. Do not speak to non-players who aren't listed as hosts/IOs. 5. Taking screenshots or quoting outside communications with the host, real or forged, will result in an instant modkill. This applies to Role PMs, night results and any other form of communication. 6. Do not edit your posts. If you somehow slip up with this, contact me immediately and tell me what you changed. 7. If you are modkilled by any fault of your own, you lose. 8. If you attempt to gain an advantage for your faction through your modkill, measures will be taken to prevent this from happening. 9. If you don't post for 24 hours, you will be prodded. After several prods I will attempt to sub you out or modkill you if that isn't possible. Please inform me ahead of time if you are going to be absent. 10. Be civil. If you feel as though things are getting out of hand, please contact me and I will handle the situation if necessary. MECHANICS 1. This game starts on Day 1. 2. Day 1 will last 72 hours, and Day 2 and onward will be 48 hours, while nights last for 24 hours. These may be bent slightly for the sake of host convenience. 3. The player with the most votes at the end of the phase will be lynched. 1/3rd of the votes (rounded up) are required to lynch. 2/3rd of the votes (rounded down) hammers and ends phase early. Ties lead to a No Lynch. 4. No Lynch is a valid vote target. If two day phases end in No Lynch, the game will end in Universal Loss. 5. *YLO will not be announced. 6. You will be informed if you successfully targeted a player, and you will be informed if your action was redirected, and you will learn who your new target was. 7. To vote, use the following format: ##Vote: <USER> and to unvote use ##Unvote. 8. If 1/3 of the the living players ##Vote: Extension during a Day phase other than Day 1, the phase will be extended by 24 hours. This can only be done once. 9. Mafia members can communicate over Discord while they are alive. After they are dead, they cannot contribute to the discussion. 10. This game is cardflip, meaning that when a player dies, all that will be posted in the game thread will be their role, alignment, flavor, and a picture. SETUP 1. There are 13 players in this game. All of them are on the playerlist. 2. There are only two alignments in this game, the Town and the Mafia. 3. There are 10 townies. The Town win condition is as follows: "You are aligned with the Arctic. You win when all members of the Antarctic have been eliminated and at least one member of the Arctic remains alive." 4. There are 3 mafia members. The Mafia win condition is as follows: "You are aligned with the Antarctic. You win when your faction has achieved parity with the Arctic or nothing can prevent the same from happening." 5. There is at least one Town Vanilla in the game. 6. The safeclaims for Mafia members have been selected through RNG. Character claims have no bearing on alignment. 7. This is not a bastard game. Everything happens for a reason. PLAYERS (13/13) Athena_57 Refa Ampharos weinerboy Magnificence Incarnate Sully McGully Bartozio Shinori RADicate Vi-astra XnadrojX Mitsuru Kirijo Ichigo

They're pinned in the Graveyard Discord.

What about an Evan townflip looks bad for Zeo?

Thanks for deleting my post, SF. Not retyping the whole of it because it's 5:30 in the morning, so here's a sort-of summary of my thoughts. Fable seems way more rational in their recent posts and I'm looking forward to more of Rational Fable because I think they'll be way easier to analyze. @Fable when I consider our interactions from an outside perspective I don't see anything that specifically rules out w/w, what makes you say this is the case in your response to Evan? Mack I'm pretty sure was responding specifically to Makaze's call for pressure on Zeo. @XnadrojX see what I just said to Fable in that last line I guess, main reason a wagon exists on Zeo is pressure. Athena and Bart have more reasons you should be able to see by clicking the votes. Why does an Evan townflip make it more likely there's a wolf in Fable/Makaze? @Mackc2 would appreciate getting a better idea of where you're mindset's at currently regarding Evan and who you think is town currently. I found that GIF a while ago (like when I joined my first MU game a while ago) and have been searching for an excuse to use it since. Highkey I think a large part of me is "shook" by Mack and Athena both being like "Your thing about Bart pushes me closer to scum!Bart," like I don't get scumvibes from either especially; I think I'm maybe not used to my arguments changing peoples' minds /shrug @Junk what are your thoughts then on my response to Evan's thing re: Zeo's reads? I agree with you on the "Zeo was playing catchup" bit although that's more NAI and prior to his readlist there weren't many solid conclusions from that catchup, hence the pressure. As far as my Fable read goes it probably was outdated given I'm just now finally reaching page 29, although it hasn't changed much from what I said to Evan about it. "evan seems unlikely after that vote from athena cuz evan is already under decent pressure why would scum try to bus"-if Evan is lynched today and flips scum, how does that impact your view of Bart/Athena/Fable? Fable's kind of a ? slot for me because I'm trying to filter through the aggression and when I filter through it there isn't much left. The only things that were really moving me towards scum for him prior to Makaze's post were his fixation on Makaze and the comparison to the MU game I linked, but the points I found in favor of town!Fable are also weak ones because they're only a couple of specific moments as opposed to something consistent.[/quote] With the only real difference being the aforementioned looking forward to Rational Fable. Who's "Zeonth vote switch" are you referring to? @Zeonth ain't fully off the hook until he finishes those other reads of his, but I'm pretty sure he's aware of this and I don't know if I'll be on again before EoD, hence ##Unvote: @Zeonth ##Vote: @EvanManManMan

Broke the spoiler tag it seems, but that should be readable still.

Wowthanks Fable's kind of a ? slot for me because I'm trying to filter through the aggression and when I filter through it there isn't much left. The only things that were really moving me towards scum for him prior to Makaze's post were his fixation on Makaze and the comparison to the MU game I linked, but the points I found in favor of town!Fable are also weak ones because they're only a couple of specific moments as opposed to something consistent. Re: the bolded section, I skipped ahead to see if he committed to this and can see a potential Evan/Bart scumteam with his attitude toward's Bart's ISO (suddenly not seeing any real problems, his only response to the tunneling accusation being "I don't really see that" and the Satsuma vote, which was initially what Evan wanted to vote Bart for, is suddenly "not extremely bad"). I don't like what he's doing in 655 either; he's lending this passive support to the Bart wagon and still calling Bart a "good info lynch" while also calling Bart town and having just called Bart's Satsuma vote "not extremely bad." Not voting (6): Bartozio, EvanManManMan, Fenrir Aesir, Mackc2, RADicate, Zeonth Has potential, who do you think? I'm currently leaning towards the idea that there's at least 2 scum in the Bart/Evan/Zeo group and that a scumflip from the former two would make Fable look better. Mack I think is town. @Bartozio re: Fable: Makaze frustration aside, what is the motivation for scum!Fable specifically to not post for the first half of the day? If he's looking for less opportunities to get caught, wouldn't he be more likely to acquiesce to the request that he contribute earlier? I think it makes sense for town!Fable in the sense that it's his meta and there's a possible world where town!Fable has a mindset similar to Satsuma's. Basically in response to the "It's fine if he doesn't make reads because he doesn't have them. It's not fine if he doesn't make reads while actually having them," I don't think Fable would have listed his reads even if he did have some regardless of alignment. The bolded italicized part (italics used to differentiate from your own bold) is the problem; I'm saying that I have an issue with how you seemed to have written Athena off as town within a matter of minutes. It's fair I guess that you and Xnad had different interpretations of Athena's questions, but this doesn't answer a number of the things I asked about (there's an issue with the quoting here but idk what I did to break it):

I nearly lost that wall because of a CAPCHA.

Re: the first bolded part what do you think of my own consolidation vote then, which took place a few minutes before the end of the phase? (I need to go back and check but it may not have actually been needed as I apparently misremembered the 2/3 rule, but irregardless of that I'm asking what you think of that mindset). Re: the second vote this is basically what I'm getting at w/ his last comment about how "if Satsuma flips town there's scum on the wagon" I find potentially indicative of that sort of mindset. As far as the Smogon game goes it has more to do with your tone. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-mafia-invitational-redux-game-thread-game-over.3629685/page-103#post-7728633 is an example post, where your thoughts are more casual and stream of consciousness. I can get the mentorship thing accounting for a part of the difference but I don't think it explains it all the way. Where do you think the scum is on the Satsuma wagon? Re: your Soysoy vote, it's less to do with whether or not you were scumreading SoySoy/whether you were on the wagon first or not and more to do with that you asked them their thoughts and then didn't really acknowledge them much until your unvote. A sentiment I share; what do you think about the pressure being put on him/his reaction to it? Which do you think to be more likely? Shots have been fired-shooter is armed and dangerous. When you were doing those similar things, what were the motivations for them? In the posts before Bartozio switches to Fable what do you make of his interactions with Xnad? I feel like he's just trying to refute/discredit Xnad's defense and I interpret "losing interest" to be more something someone does when they've been questioning someone/trying to figure out the alignment and feeling like they're not getting anywhere (not unlike a comment Makaze had earlier Day 1 about feeling like you weren't "answering the right questions"). You had a question to Athena about why scum!Bart votes Fable and then Satsuma. I agree somewhat with Athena's response to this, the motivation I see is scum!Bart focusing on who he can push as a mislynch. In that scenario he sees more and more people townreading Xnad and realizes that lynch isn't happening, so moves to Fable because he's seen that slot getting suspicion through the day. The Satsuma vote he then moves to because the Fable push isn't moving anywhere either and the other "major" wagon of the day is Athena, who he's been consistently regarding as town. @athena_57 re: Bartozio's townread on you: Even if he arrived at an early townread, do you think town!Bart would have you as locktown to the extent where he questions next to nothing from you? What kind of content would you have expected him to give at that point, considering especially that you yourself were apparently having trouble generating early reads you said you normally have? Rapier was fairly town from what I recall; I think he's received more suspicion post-mortem which, if true, is a great meme. I think the kill choice is at least in part tied to his being on the Athena wagon, be it a frame or Athena making that kill. Considering Fable's opinions on the existence of a Satsuma wagon, I'm not sure why this surprises you. The wagon analysis there is fairly in line with his prior attitude to the lynch. The case Makaze makes against Fable in response to my asking him (Makaze) about the differences between Fable's D1's moves Fable down my on list some. In comparing his early posts here to the IDNSFMM5 ones you reference I'm also noticing an effort to act "above it all" if that makes sense-things like his "clown fiesta" comment and "This thread makes my head hurt." It makes you look worse because if you're the type of person to get reads from RVS, you should be aiming to use RVS yourself. You just popped in and said "I don't have reads"-am I to take this at face value when you didn't do anything to get them? 'Tis asked. What you gave at EoD isn't anything special imo; I commented on what stood out to me. It mostly comprises of your Fable "push," which is a lot of discrediting Fable instead of actually defending yourself:

Am back. Question that occurred to me while I was away for @Fable, since one thing I saw you mention several times in your other games was "wagonomics is my thing": what do you think of the Rad unvote/EoD comment on the Satsuma wagon? Going back to read Rad's response now, as I haven't been able to do that yet, then going to finish the ISOs.

Zeonth 285: The overall vibe I get is that he's doing all this commentary and calling people out for things, but not coming to conclusions aside from his read on Makaze. This may be attributed in part to this being a pretty late EoD catchup and trying to get through everything, but I'm joining the list of people who want some real-time interaction from Zeo. You describe your read on Makaze at the end of this post as “you’re trying to look like you are active and contributing to scumhunting but you’re actually not.” But you also acknowledge Makaze townreading Rad and Makaze has a scumread on Evan and questioning elsewhere. 303: Feels like an interesting couple of people to ask about, primarily due to the omission of Makaze, who seems to be a fairly Big Deal for Zeo at this point. 376: I think you may be misinterpreting my use of the word "mindmeld" re: Junk; I was saying that I felt Junk more likely to be town because his thought process was mirroring my own. (Although I did straight up say in that post the words "I have Junk as a townlean.") 394: Would love your thoughts on my read on Makaze and some of the earlier points where I think he's doing some questioning. Feels like I could have a better idea of where his head's at right now, but his catchup is a lot of questions without many concrete conclusions. Went back to look at the votes already on him and saw Athena's case against him; am seeing that Athena came to a similar conclusion. The bit about none of yesterday's lynch candidates being mentioned is something I didn't notice. I'm especially interested in @Zeonth's opinions about Athena, Bart, Evan, Makaze, and myself. I'd be down to pressure him with votes. ##Vote: @Zeonth

Of the people whose ISOs I've read so far I'd prefer a Bart or Evan lynch. I can prioritize Zeo as an ISO to read and do him next.

Makaze-Part II/II 313/316: In Fable's wagon analysis he called Makaze's vote on SoySoy lazy, a sentiment I don't share given the analysis present before (it's only like 3 posts but it's at least present). I'm interested in how/if the townflip affected his read on Fable. @Fable what felt lazy about it to you, and @Makaze what are your thoughts on my earlier comment about Bartozio's Fable vote? 406: Was a very sudden shift from having Evan fairly high up on your scumlist; what content did he put forth that changed your mind? 456: Is an indicator of Makaze being open to the possibility of Fable flips town and thinking of what it means if he does, which is a good look.

Makaze-Part I of ?? I generally like what I've seen from Makaze so far; I can remember several instances of his taking strong stances and trying to make others do the same. 119: Remember how I said I disagreed with Fable's assertion that Makaze wasn't concerned with figuring out alignments? This is the first post to be an example with his asking Mack what his goal is re: questioning Evan. I'm not going to reference every single post where Makaze has something to this effect of figuring out alignments, but this is the first example. 120: First example of trying to make people take stances/give opinions. 141: Going to do some tracking of his interaction with Fable. Starts out here as trying to get an idea of Fable's opinions. 151: Makaze clarifying Rad's question after calling me town is also a good look as it indicates he's looking at everything and not just 100% dismissing those he townreads from suspicion. Considered the chances of this being scum looking for an opening to push and I think if that were the case he wouldn't have mentioned the townread on me in the first place, as that would've been a prime chance for scum!Makaze to join the building pressure. 153/155/158: Have me somewhat like :thinking: re: Fable interactions; I get the gutread being strong but you seem confident enough in it here that whatever content Fable may put forth later wouldn't move you. 189: Goes more in-depth with the Fable read. @Makaze could you go more in-depth with the difference between his behavior here and in IDNSFMM5? I went back to read it myself and didn't notice any overwhelming differences in his tone that I could attribute to something aside from his frustration in this thread (something I find NAI). 213: To those of y'all who are familiar with Makaze's gameplay, is this sort of assertiveness characteristic of his playstyle? Very few seem to have much issue with it so I assume it is, but it's more forceful than what I'm used to seeing in general. Also a question Makaze himself could answer, I guess. 240: Continuing the Fable/Makaze interaction one thing I'm wanting to see from Makaze is something along the lines of going back and making an effort to answer to what Fable did ask instead of just "those weren't specific." I do distinctly recall something like this eventually happening. 260: Is the "something like this." 268: Is another :thinking: moment because of the "Why so defensive, why so angry?" bit. Do you think this defensiveness/anger is scummy/what are the chances of it being simple frustration? My computer needs to charge, so I'm going to do that and maybe sleep for like 30 minutes(?) before continuing.