fe6_fan

Booted for reasons.

Booted for reasons.

Wolt isn't actually that awful if he's buddy-buddy with Roy. I've seen a lot of artwork floating around on PIXIV of people using them as their "A-TEAM" combo (and I don't think it was meant to be a joke). I've used them together on a couple runs (though I usually use Roy/Lilina because they are absolutely monstrous), and Roy with Wolt actually isn't all that bad. Yeah, it requires a bit of support to make Wolt hardcore, but a lot of the FE6 cast aren't particularly monsters on their own in the first place. I do hope he will get in there! Then Roy can have his bestie~

By this list, then, of playable dragons: 7/8 female dragons are already in the game. 0/3 male dragons exist as dragons in the game. And as I mull this over, female Corrin is both a dragon and a flying mage--powerful and/or crazy unique classes. Tiki appears as two dragons and as an infantry axe wielder. Male Corrin appears twice--as a standard infantry unit both times. The argument again isn't necessarily that males aren't included--they're relegated to lower positions than the top tier female cast. And yes, weapon refinery has done wonders for the dragon class--a class that is 100% female at this time and therefore has made them outstanding and near untouchable in highly competitive play. Also, I am referring to the skill inheritance/arena tier list on Gamepedia due to it representing the most competitive options for characters. Valter is A+, Michalis is A+, Narcian is A (wow I forgot he exists), and Subaki is A-. Again, I do acknowledge that tier lists are not without error and should be used as very loose guidelines... but I think I've seen this trend for long enough now (at least on the tier list I follow) that it has rubbed me the wrong way. Not to mention the teams I see in Tier 20 on a regular basis: almost exclusively female, with a random Reinhardt thrown in on occasion because magic is everything.

This is usually what they do, historically. Males fall in the TT and GHB category, which usually means they are given poor stat distribution and less unique/useful skills compared to their female counterparts on banners. It's not that there aren't male units in the game--it's just that, compared to the females, they're generally not that good.

While I do agree that if you take these classes out, it's less favoring female units--it still is favoring them to a certain degree, but not nearly as much. However, part of the point is that they chose classes and units and characters that are 1. female and 2. that are going to be the best and the brightest rather than giving that place to a worthy male. There aren't as many male fliers for sure in the whole series, but there are still quite a few they could have bothered making worthy--unlike Valter, Michalis and Subaki, who are sub par units (Valter and Michalis because of the GHB treatment, Subaki because he was an early release). So we do have male fliers; they were just given a short stick compared to their female counterparts. I'm not saying they're not useful--they're just LESS useful overall (especially in the current meta). Dragons are just the same--there are plenty of male dragons they could choose to use but have decided against. M!Corrin is a perfect example--he is an infantry sword user rather than a dragon, and his female counterpart got one of the best classes in the game. There are more female dragons in the series, granted, but we don't have a single male dragon yet. Not to mention that dragons are one of the hottest units in the meta right now... And please keep in mind as I say this: I love getting my favorite units. I'm thankful for them. However, I also play very competitively--I love the arena, I love the rewards you get in the arena because I get to invest in more characters I love. I love hanging in Tier 20 and getting the best rewards possible--and doing great in Arena Assault, too. But I also really love using units I love to do it, not just units I have to use because they're the best in the game. It's getting harder and harder to do, to be honest, when every banner releases spectacular female units like Myrrh and then a sub par male like Lyon off to the side.

Honestly, I agree with all such sentiment~ And hooooo boy... Do you honestly think he'd function? Like I've thought about it because I've considered 40+10-ing all of the FE6 units... but he just seems... so... bad. How would you build him to make him function??

I have played the newer ones and there are not. I would say the closest thing we have in this area are in Heroes: summer Marx and summer Frederick--both I think were drawn by hentai yaoi artists? I don't know for sure and not particularly interested, but I know they are constant examples people use that fanservice in Heroes exists for females too. Warriors also blows off armor and has the men in shorts--women are in various types of underwear, including lingerie. So they kinda try...? But as for straight-up actual characters in a legit Fire Emblem game, I think Odin would be the closest in his weird magic getup.

Oh my gosh!! I forgot about Oliver! I blocked him from my memory... Yeah, a lot of dudes that get in are meme dudes--also in support of the demographic, I would assume? I actually liked Niime. I think it would be interesting to see some older female characters in there, too. Really, some nice variety would be fun in general. I was quite surprised with Henry and Jakob being unique versions of armor units, that's for sure. Jakob does remain the only archer armor unit in the game, though Henry now shares with Christmas Tharja as mage armor.

Hahaha, I'm mostly joking. I like pretty units for sure, and I don't mind fanservice. I don't even really dislike that there is so much fanservice in this game because I know that's what gacha are for--I just wish there was more attention given to female players, too. Such as useful male units that aren't sitting at the lowest end of the tier list. Sorry if I'm being confusing?

I posted a follow-up comment in response to someone else: the tier list is the arena/skill inheritance list at Gamepedia, currently updated including the latest GHB. Reinhardt sits cheerfully at rank S now. Also, I don't necessarily think that it needs to be 50/50--it is fairly clear that this game is geared towards a male audience. However, the lack of useful male units is painfully obvious. There are a handful, but most male units are released as mediocre, low tier units that add little value to the game, especially if one plays competitively. Not all male players would hate male units, either--Ike was the most popularly rated character in CYL if you counted both his variations--he would have beat even Lyn. So they are targeting a very specific male audience. And yes, I have sent plenty of feedback but in my desire not to seem like a whiner, I try to hold back now because I think it seems they aren't listening anyhow. Oh well.

This is primarily why I couldn't get behind Camilla from the start. Her opening feature was her boobs waving, and I at least made the assumption her boobs were waving while walking towards the avatar--her sibling--and it was just... cringe-worthy. Yet people were all over it even before the game released. She was popular well before she had a back story--just like Loki. I definitely don't think every fan is like that--nor do I think that it's wrong to dislike a character's appearance, because DANG I would like some good-looking dudes in the game and not just like Bartre or Arden or Lloyd or Dorcas or... (you get the picture)--but I think a big part of her popularity STARTED there and kept going from there.

OK, this I can totally get behind.......... 5* 40+10 exploding clothing Percy on the radar, k thanks IS.

I suppose that's true. A stud Percival is still fun to look at, even if he implodes on contact and can't kill a fly... .......I guess? hahahah

If they would even expand the lower pool with less popular units that could still be built up, I'd be fine with that. I worked all of my current favs up from 3* or 4*--save brave Roy. So long as they are still somewhat competitive when they get there, I don't mind. But a 40+10 Raigh just isn't going to be keeping me in tier 20 without 3 other absolutely amazing 40+10 units--not because of general arena score, but simply because he won't kill anything and he'll die immediately. Some units are just not salvageable for the competitive play... and I hope they don't do that to the more obscure male units. Like... "Here, you can have him... He will be utterly useless, but here he is."

My main concern as well. But I suppose we shall see what direction they take the Switch game. I don't want to be pessimistic, but Warriors was this way (granted developed by a different team) and Heroes is blatantly going more and more in this direction. We shall see, I suppose... I by no means want less female units. But I look at our roster and see, for example, the hardcore swordsman/swordswoman trope... We have Karel and Navarre representing the males, and both are horrible, awful units, bottom of the barrel. Then we have Ayra and Mia representing the females--two of the best sword units in the game. Equality between their stats and abilities would be phenomenal... On that note, I would still love plenty of female units from FE6. I think FE6 had an amazing cast overall, male and female. We have a handful of great ladies already, but as far as male units go, I think we got the short end of the stick again. We got antagonists, an old guy and a kid (both of whom are two of the worst units in the game), and then Klein who I am eternally thankful for because he's decent AND has a great artist (also crazy rare for male units). Roy is my fav character and also had terrible luck of the draw as one of the worst sword users and was only barely redeemed by his CYL version.

46 males, 59 females in my 5* slot, and I have upgraded several males from 3* and 4* to 5* AND I generally only pull for my favorite male units by sniping on banners.

Not to mention that a lot of the seasonal units are just rahashes of already-existing units, too. I wouldn't even mind unique seasonal units coming in like they did with Shigure or Charlotte--anything to expand the cast at this point. But that doesn't seem to be the goal, and at least with seasonal, I sort of understand. That is their main money maker--putting super popular units in new clothes to get obsessed fans to pay more. I just wish that wouldn't also be the direction regular banners go, too. I hope people grumble about Eirika--I did. I like her, absolutely don't get me wrong, but... I would have loved any number of the male mages from SS to fill that role instead. Or any number of other male characters... Why not a flying male like Cormag? Men may not be pegasus knights but there are plenty of males on wyverns. Heroes is very selective about the males they put in and almost always ensure there are females that better fit that role. It's so sad, because Fire Emblem has been so awesome about having great males AND females. Because this game has the Fire Emblem label, plays like a Fire Emblem game... I guess my expectations are higher than a standard gacha game. Yes, I'm awfully concerned about future Fire Emblem games as a result, to be honest... Awakening and Fates set a precedent for dating-sim style games with an emphasis on sexy females, and Heroes is really playing into it. I'm excited but also terribly fearful about the Switch game...

Yes!! A loooong time ago! Hahaha, too funny!! I also don't think it was originally intended to be this way--they included a lot of male lord units that were really great at the game's launch, part of the reason I fell hard and fast for it. But they definitely went where the money was and left some of us behind. I guess a part of me is also surprised because that hasn't always been Nintendo's style either. They used to make what they wanted without concern for money because they're just such a rich business in general--they can get away with it. So they didn't target the most lucrative audience; they just tried to make an enjoyable game. Heroes is taking us in a different direction, and that throws me. Sorry, the tier list on Gamepedia is the one I always pop in and check--that's the one these numbers came from, ARENA style, including skill inheritance. These numbers are taken from today, including the latest banner and GHB. Yeah, all of this is very true. I'm all for female units being wicked awesome. That absolutely isn't an issue. But most units are simply just thrown in there for the sake of fanservice. Honestly, when Loki came around, I had to stop playing the game at work because it got too uncomfortable... PERCIVAL!! I would give ANYTHING for Percival right about now. He made up a handful of my CYL votes even though it'll never fly. One can dream...

So I've been lingering in tier 20 in the arena for months now, so I'd say I'm a pretty competitive player and can tell a great unit from a mediocre unit. The tier lists aren't without error, but they do give decent guidelines about what units are phenomenal (ex: all dragons) versus which units are sub par (ex: Odin). Looking at the current layout, it is INSANE how much priority/special skills/special stats/special attention is given to female units versus male units. I counted quickly, but to give you a general rundown: S+: 4 female, 0 male S: 18 female, 11 male S-: 19 female, 11 male A+: 30 female, 22 male A: 20 female, 23 male A-: 11 female, 22 male B+: 3 female, 12 male B: 3 female, 3 male The number of female units in the highest tiers is almost double that of male units, whereas the number of males at the bottom tiers is over double the number of female units. Do keep in mind that, currently, there are more female units in the game than male units. And something important to consider is that male units are almost always our TT and GHB rewards—units historically put in to be non-competitive: low stats, non-unique weapons and skills, and impossible to level up beyond 40+3 (until they run again months down the road, if ever). I pointed this out to a forum once and many people insisted it's because female units are generally given high attack, high speed, and high res--making them better suited to the meta. Whereas male characters are given high attack, high HP, and high defense--making them less suited to the meta. But didn't the high attack, high speed and high res of female units MAKE the meta??? Not to mention the handfuls of female characters given great weapons + 3 unique skills, whereas their male counterparts are RARELY treated so generously... Furthermore, female characters are generally given unique classes and roles that male characters do not get--mounted archer, flying singer, dragon, flying dragon, flying mage, etc.. MANY of these roles canonically are male roles--Shigure would be the ideal flying singer, Reyson a flying singer, Nils or any FE9/10 dragons, Rath the mounted archer, among many others. Instead, females who do not canonically belong in the role are given it in Heroes while males are pushed to standard infantry roles (Shigure the infantry singer, M!Corrin the infantry sword user, etc.). Let's be perfectly honest: the hot, unique units that everyone fights to pull for are those niche characters that can't be filled by others: Spring Camilla, Halloween Nowi, Myrrh, New Year Azura, Brave Lyn, etc.. Generally all female. Not only that, but we see many, many banners like the most recent that are all-female or at least a majority of female characters--with a lackluster male character thrown in as a reward for TT or GHB. We've had one or two banners recently that are weighted in favor of males--but we've never had a full male banner (to my knowledge). Whereas we've already had 2 full-female banners to date (that I'm aware of). Said male-weighted banners were often followed by a new female unit that appeared in a random banner on her own (Rhajat, Ayra, etc.). Female-weighted banners were only ever followed by GHB, TT or nothing at all. I'm not into waifu or husbando culture at all, but I've been playing Fire Emblem since FE6--and there are TONS of characters that I love, particularly males at this point, that are completely irrelevant in Heroes or ignored altogether. And I understand that this is a waifu-culture game. I understand it's a gacha game that just wants to make oodles of dollars off waifu-obsessed folks. But are female players really so nonexistent that they don't even try a little bit? (And before y'all argue, because I've seen it MANY times before, that they tried to please female players with Bruno, summer Marx, summer Freddy, summer Gaius, Hawkeye and Odin--let's please turn our attention to all of the gorgeous females in this game, the lolis, the number of scantily clad females, and the suggestive ripping of clothes and suggestive poses in MOST of the female injured artwork. Males do not even come close to having remotely the same treatment. Not even exaggerating, the ratio would be roughly 5 suggestive males to 80 suggestive females.)