Timlugia
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So far I am probably not going to jump pre-order or day one unless future info changes my mind
Good:
- Significantly improved graphics and animations, undeniable improvement over Three Houses.
Bad:
- Summoning old heroes again, this is the 6th time we have this since Awakening not counting Cipher. It's really getting old at this point.
- Good dragon fighting comical evil dragon, a major step back from Three Houses and back to "evil dragon" cliches.
- Fell Dragon from 1000 years ago with 3 eyes, is this just Grima, or we can't come up a new villain design?
- Female characters all look too similar and look like 12
- Fantasy revealing armor design again
- "Engage" sounds really weak, comparing to like Genealogy of Holy War, Path of Radiance or even Three Houses. I too at first thought this is another mobile game.
- Seeing swimwear as clothing option concerns me...
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Or maybe they were playing hard difficulty?
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From reading of what we know so far from datamine
I think most likely we will get villains from DLC
SpoilerMaybe Nemesis and his 11 elites, since we haven't find them as playable in datamine.
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15 minutes ago, Use the Falchion said:
I think it's more to do with their low tier classes.
like how Shez and Dimitri clearly are faster than rest of the cast in demo
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What's everyone's thought/prediction on Arval?
SpoilerHe says he has no memory or connection with TWISTD, but their awaken form and demeanor on promotion arts clearly are antagonistic.
I wonder if he will turn against Shez later in the story? How will Byleth involved?
If Arval turned against us, it seems that Byleth is the only person that could match his power.
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1 hour ago, Florete said:
The datamine updated again and of particular note imo (everything italicized is direct quotes from the datamine):
There's a section on characters who look likely to not be playable...and it's a rather unfortunate list.
Who (probably) isn't playable
DeathChaos informed me that playable characters always have separate faces and bodies.
Which makes sense since they generally need to class-change
On that note, these characters don't have this. They have a merged body instead.
Rhea
Kronya
Cornelia
Kostas
Randolph
Judith
Nader(?)
Arundel
Greetje
LadislavaDisclaimers
Even if a character has separate body and face, they might not be playable. Could be re-using Three Houses templates, maybe? Or just for convenience.
The characters above could still be playable if they don't change-class.Rhea seems a really odd one to be kept non-playable. Nothing can be said for certain, of course.
SpoilerRhea in Three Houses only has Archbishop and Saint classes, so it's possible she simple locked in her default classes.
I highly doubt Gatekeeper is playable but not more popular Rhea.
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I don't really think they will give Rhea the sword, most likely it will be reserve for another Seiros alt.
Since Sword of Seiros is mostly associated with Seiros rather than Rhea, even 3H datamine shows Rhea(Archbishop) being more magic while Seiros(Saint) more physical
And maybe they will eventually also do "fallen" Rhea from Silver Snow*
(I found common term "fallen" Rhea for SS kind ironic comparing to CF ending for story reason, maybe berserk Rhea is a better term here)
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Also, I think Serios MGB is a reference to Red Canyon massacre, since most enemies are dragons.
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On 9/15/2020 at 6:02 PM, Slyfox said:
Basically, this isn't a school setting such as those we have on Earth. Fodlan's rules are much different than what we'd expect to have in our age.
Actually it's quite common in navies, most navies have midshipman or similar ranks (naval officer students who haven't receiving their commission) on actual combat vessels both in peace time and in war. Since you can't learn sailing in a classroom. And unlike armies, navies still have to fight pirates, privateer or enforce blockades regularly even during peace time.
Historically, quite a few midshipman were killed in combat, and also many were awarded for bravery.
For US Army, MS-3 cadets (equal to junior year in college) could be assigned to a real platoon one month at a time to get them experience leading real unit. They are very unlikely to see combat since most units are stateside or in Europe, except those who assigned to Korea. But theoretically they are assigned to real combat units.
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18 hours ago, Dark Holy Elf said:
I'd argue that Rhea isn't as interested in someone's religious views as she is in their loyalty, and she already has that from Cyril in spades.
This,
In fact only church character religious in the traditional sense would be Gilbert,
everyone else, including most senior knights (Captain Jeralt and Catherine) outright stated they don't believe in the practice. Seteth and Flayn obviously knowing the deeper knowledge different from the doctrine
Cyril actually said Rhea told him it's ok not to believe in CoS doctrine.
Spoiler- Byleth: Are you a believer?
- Cyril: Nah, not really. And Lady Rhea told me it's OK if I don't show an interest unless I feel like it, and I haven't so far, but... I just want to take good care of the things she cares about.
- Byleth: Business partner?
- Shamir: I don't believe in the Church of Seiros. It makes me a bit of an anomaly among the knights. Rhea took me in, so I became a knight to repay my debt to her.
- Catherine: That's what I'm trying to figure out. I've always seen myself as a servant of Lady Rhea, not of the church.
Rhea cares really only about if they will carry out their duty, rather than if they believe in the religion.
QuoteLast point I want to make is that the church seldom puts their students in areas they believe to be at high risk (that's where their own soldiers go). In most instances, your team is simply in the right place at the right time or consciously putting themselves in danger (because that's what headstrong heirs do).
The game also stated at least twice that deploy students into combat requires direct approval from Rhea herself, obviously Byleth often work around this by pretending field studies or other excuses in paralogues.
Spoiler- Shamir: Alois. You're not going to suggest we send students, are you?
- Alois: I am, actually. Do you have a problem with that?
- Shamir: I do. We can't send them out on a knight's mission without Rhea's blessing.
- Alois: I'm sure I can get the go-ahead. I'll just say the students have a...new field training opportunity, or something like that. Besides, we'll be there. We're not going to let them get killed by pirates.
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Dimitri: Lady Rhea likely assumed you wouldn't be able to stop yourself from confronting the enemy if you knew their location. But that is not how this story ends, is it? Professor... We're at the ready. Order us to depart, and we'll fight at your side.
- Rhea: No. I will not allow it.
- Seteth: This discovery comes just when the knights are at their busiest. It is all too likely that our foes revealed themselves to lure you out there. They are the ones who took Jeralt from you… I know how you must despise them, but I must ask you to rein in your personal feelings for now.
- Byleth: You can't stop me.
- Rhea: Please, Professor. Do not act carelessly. I ask that you leave this to us. Losing you so soon after losing Jeralt would be unbearable.
- Dimitri: Lady Rhea, Seteth. Please, try to understand our reasoning before you refuse. With most of the knights still far away, we cannot afford for you two to leave the monastery undefended. The enemy's strength is yet unknown. The only warriors who likely stand a chance are those who wield Relics. With all that in mind, it's obvious who should be dispatched, is it not? If the professor leaves, we will go as well. We've already made preparations and are ready to depart at a moment's notice. Surely you must see that we cannot wait any longer for the knights to gather. Please... Do what must be done and give us the order.
- Rhea: Professor… Do you agree with this strategy?
- Rhea: Understood. I will give you the order. Destroy the enemy that is hiding in the Sealed Forest… You have the protection of the goddess on your side. Whatever happens, you shall overcome.
- Dimitri: No matter what enemy we face, we will not fail. I promise you that.
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Considering you seem to be still very early in the game, maybe at least finish two opposing paths first?
A number of the issues here would be resolved once you experienced perspectives from different characters.
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8 hours ago, Samz707 said:
Yeah Black eagles and I know about the twist for that.
I still don't like how the game just assumes I'm cool with working for kinda blatantly semi-unhinged religous nut-cases with no question, you don't just casually mention the Church executes people and expect me to just go "Oh, that's fine".
Just curious, from a leader's (Rhea) perspective what's wrong about executing a group of accused assassins against you? Especially they were accused to be working with Lornato, who was just saying he's goal was to kill you.
It's actually a much bigger conspiracy behind that event but I won't spoil for you, which you probably have to play multiple route to find out. just wondering what you think about it first.
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23 hours ago, haarhaarhaar said:
Flayn mentions that she and Seteth used to live among humankind (in Enbarr 1000 years prior at least, and perhaps after she woke up but before they came to Garreg Mach). Which would suggest that the Nabateans of old were at least acclimatised to human ways of living, and actually lived among humans. At the same time, Macuil has a cult of humans who live in the desert with him in his dragon form. I guess what I'm saying is that the line between race and species might even depend on the form an individual Nabatean takes.
Consider my earlier posts, it's possible that "Nabatean Civilization" in the ancient time included Foldalian, if not the majority of their citizens.
Since the game implied there were only dozens of Nabateans before the war broke out (including those buried in Holy Tombs, and rumored in other lands), I highly doubt they could build massive cities and called a civilization with just dozen people. We saw large number of citizens in Sothis' flashback, most of them were probably Fodlanians
On the other hand, if Nabateans were numbered in tens of thousands, that Agarthan or later Nemesis would stood any chance opposing them.
As for lore, maybe InISys has grander plan for future related titles, so they intentionally left out some lore details.
In interview they did mention some lore questions could not be answered yet.
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On 9/7/2020 at 11:48 AM, RainbowMoon said:
Seteth and Flayn aren't related to Sothis, Rhea or Byleth as far as I know. I think "children of the Goddess" is basically just a fancy name people use for the Nabateans.
It doesn't really matter if Sitri had Rhea's blood, imo. According to Cindered Shadows, they had a clear mother/daughter relationship, even if they weren't related by blood. Rhea also takes on a noticably calmer, more grandmotherly tone whenever she's alone with Byleth (which makes a certain scene at the end of chapter 10 especially unnerving). None of this exactly lends itself well to a romance between Byleth and Rhea.
QuoteSeteth and Flayn does call you "family" though
And most people interpret that since all Nabatean were created by Sothis, and Sothis being a Nabatean herself, they must all shared bloodline. Dev confirmed in interview that Sothis indeed created Rhea, and there is no reason to believe only Rhea was created by Sothis but not others.
A common speculation is that Rhea was one of the first gen Nabateans, while Seteth and Flayn were either created later or born from the 1st gen.
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Just wondering, how do we know the story passed down by House Hraelverg were actually accurate?
Edelgard never told us the detail of what exactly was passed on, just her interpretation of it.
Unless it was recited in verbatim, how could a complex verbal story maintain accuracy over 1000 years?
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From DLC we know that Agarthans are consider separated race from Nabatean and Fodlanian.
QuoteMyson: Filthy rat. That will be mine. If I have to pry it from your dead hand, all the better! Children of the beasts, expose your true selves!
And from City Without Light
QuoteIgnatz: Do you remember what Solon called us?
Byleth:Choice 2: Beasts? (Relationship with Ignatz goes up)
Ignatz: That's right. He called us beasts.
QuoteSolon: They charge in without any plan whatsoever. Beasts, all of them... The experiment is over. Kill them!
Solon: You are but a savage, insignificant beast... Yet you think you can kill me?
Solon: To think...that I would lose to mere beasts.
Considering a few other factors:
- We never know any Agarthan sire a children with Nabtean or Fodlanian
- No Agarthan carries a Fodlan Crest or use relics. They have their own unique crest system that's not explained in the game
- No Agarthan ever changed into demonic beast
- Fodlanian, when exposed to crest stone, could change into demonic beasts.
I think the most likely conclusion is that Fodlanian were creation of Sothis, thus share similar heritage with Nabateans. While Agarthans were completely different "specie" in terms of genetic.
This reminds me of JRR Tolkien's Simarillaion, where Iluvatar created both elf and man, both known as Children of Iluvatar. While Dwarf was created by Aulë in a completely separated attempt and shares no blood connection with Children of Iluvatar
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15 hours ago, Fabulously Olivier said:
I didn't misunderstand. I'm just saying that the 5 year interval would be the best place for a canon Warriors game because it fleshes out new, relevant story and allows them to use all EXISTING character assets that are already on the engine, allowing people to play as characters they know and love.
Yet, there wasn't even a named enemy character in BotW besides Master Kohga, who wasn't born in AoC era, yet they made the era into a Warrior game without an issue.
Ganon might not even be playable in history mode since he's not corporeal.
Only really solid characters we have are 5 champions and Zelda, and none on the enemy sides.
We also already getting OC characters like the Eggbot Guardian. (I wouldn't consider Impa or Purah solid characters since they only have few lines and never show carrying weapons in BotW, but they are likely playable with unique moves)
In that sense, Nemesis War would already have more characters to use, especially if we counted Agarthans, and almost certain Emperor Wilhelm,. As for OC character, likely ancestor of each crest carrying Black Eagle except Dorothea, and they were probably lieutenants to each Saints.
QuoteHistorical lore is best left vague in this franchise, because it's a source of mystique. And well, the Elites are such a small part of the current 3H story that they don't even get unique character models. They're good fodder for generic NPC officers.
Wouldn't the historical vagueness an equal argument against Zelda? Zelda games is famously known to be vague about events outside the games.
I remember hearing exactly same argument before against having a BotW prequel, but here we are...
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4 hours ago, Jotari said:
How do you know? You never get to check their stats before they transform iirc.
1. Not all cardinals transformed, there are a few human cardinals during Silver Snow the final battle, all of them regardless if transformed, had minor crests.
2. There is no instance in the game someone changed their crest size in any circumstance, especially making crest smaller, so we can assume they were minor crest to begin with.
3. Aelfric, a cardinal can be viewed both as allied and enemy human prior to final battle in DLC, he had minor crests.
https://fireemblem.fandom.com/wiki/Aelfric#In-Game
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6 minutes ago, Glennstavos said:
Link and Zelda's movesets both incorporate it. Link using bombs, while Zelda uses Stasis.
Unless you can use both character in the same time same weapon separately rather than pair up, I guess it is still justifiable as Zelda "loaned" it to Link...
It's also possible you are limited with canon weapon in the story mode, but can freely choose in free/adventure/historical mode.
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10 hours ago, Fabulously Olivier said:
The best way to do that would be in the 5 year interval during Byleth's sleep. Everyone is still alive and it would be cool to see that story in motion.
I don't really want this approach because the main reason most even want a Warriors 2 is to fix the roster.
They could have their cake and eat it too though. By unlocking Byleth and other game characters via history mode and free mode. Byleth themself could just be unlocked by... finishing the story.
I think you were confused with my comment, I was referring to "Nemesis War" (aka War of Heroes) 1000 years ago, rather than current era.
Correct me if I was wrong, but wasn't the 5 years war mostly a stalemate before Byleth showed up? Also different path featured very different grand situations. Most combat were fairly small skirmishes between pro and anti imperial houses in Kingdom and Alliance, it also seem that Ferdinand was leading some kind resistance movement, but none of the major battles yet.
IMO, Nemesis War is a much better topic
- It features massive battles over 50 years, in fact opening cutscene suggests each Nabatean and Elites could easily matches hundreds of regular human soldiers, a perfect fit for a Warrior game.
- It could cover many lore lose ends from Three Houses, such as nature about Sothis and Agarthan, or truth about Empire and Church.
- Some mechanism poorly fit into traditional FE, such as Nabatean and Demonic transformation would be perfect in a Warrior game since there is no balancing or pathfinding issue. Like we could actually control Rhea, Seteth, Flayn and their dragon forms.
- There are quite a few named characters already available for the era: 5 Saints, 4 Apostles, Emperor Wilhelm, Emperor Lycaon; Nemesis, 11 Elites, Agarthans. There could be a few more OC characters from the Empire, Church and TWISTD
- Dev does hints possible prequel in interview, like how Rhea's reasoning was not to be known yet.
QuoteWait, I thought the sheikah slate was a one of a kind? How can there be two of them?
I don't see where in the trailer indicating there were more than one?
Link's Slate in BoTW was exactly same one carried by Zelda, that's why it has all her pictures stored, for the memories quests.
When Link fell in battle, Zelda likely ordered surviving soldiers to seal Link and the Slate away together, hoping he could use it to unlock the powers when he returns.
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On 9/6/2020 at 9:15 AM, Jotari said:
Well there's all the cardinals that turn into white beasts in Silver Snows final battle for point 3.
They all carry minor crest though, Jeralt is the only human with major Serios crest in the current time, making him very unique.
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I think it would be better written if later Agarthan revealed to have ability to counter Divine Pulse, making Byleth unable to change this event and chapter 12.
Original script calls that Edelgard and Nemesis could counter this ability, (implied it's why Agarthan so interesting in this crest) but it was not adopt into the final game.
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I wonder if they are going to do the same with Three Houses later, considering it would fit into exactly mode de operandi:
A cross over warrior game focused on ancient events covering between Assassination of Sothis, massacre of Red Canyon, Nemesis War finally to foundation of Empire and Church.
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16 hours ago, Sooks1016 said:
I’m not entirely sure if you’re asking why he has the crest he does but,
iirc, he had the major crest of Seiros because he took a very serious injury protecting Rhea and in order to save his life she gave him a blood transfusion. Also no, he’s not the only one, as we find it out in Silver Snow’s final map receiving her blood is something like a ritual for people high up in the church.
Oh, I understand well the "transfusion story", so that wasn't my question.
My question is if Jeralt is the only human with Major Crest, and if so, why Rhea only favored him over numerous humans that served her in the ages (like the guy op mentioned)
We could also call into the question if the story was even the truth, considering Rhea is probably the best sword fighter in all Fodlan history, did she really need saving from some random bandits to begin with? Maybe even this story was heavily alter from the actual event, especially this was part of C support before Rhea and Byleth trusted each other. Byleth also never confirm the story with Jeralt. (Jeralt did admit he received blood from Rhea to Alois when he was drunk)
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Jeralt did mention about ancient great battles in the opening chapter, but most likely he's talking about War of Eagle and Lion rather than Nemesis War. I think he more likely below 300 years old, but there is no definitive evidence in the game about Jeralt's true age.
Overall, we simply don't know enough about him, besides his true age, other important questions like
- Was Jeralt Reus Eisner even his real name, or just another alter ego like Rhea to Seiros?
- How did he assume knight commander for over 100 years without being exposed? He certainly has to meet more outsider than Rhea did. Did he faked his death often just like Rhea?
- Was he the only one of his kind? Are there others like him holding major crest of Seiros? If he's the one and only, why did Rhea pick him among all who fought for her over 1000 years?
- How much he knows about secret of Rhea? How much he knows about the "plan"? I don't believe that he never noticed his wife Sitir's unique appearance and pointy ears sharing with Rhea. Flyan also mentioned green hair and eyes are unique among Nabatean, making the connection even more obvious.
I have very concerning. 'fire emblem engage' of story
in Fire Emblem: Engage
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Well, SoV was a remake of Kaga series, so they didn't really have to rewrite story.
My biggest fear is that it's going to be very generic like first Fire Emblem Warriors