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ok i'm here to answer to some accusations against me. While I really did misread Alette's post on "solving process" and whatnot, and dropped my case, that doesn't mean I stopped scumreading them - i in fact still do. I dropped the case at the time mostly because a) momentum was gone and b) it's kinda hard to keep pressuring someone when they say "your playstyle is frustrating, so I'm not going to respond to you anymore" I didn't comment or react to what else had been happening around during d1 because I didn't find it worth commenting, especially when I would simply be reiterating other people's statements. If you wanted my opinion on certain interactions, you should ask me, like you guys have been doing amongst each other. t f t i speaking of which, bartozio's comment about how I just reiterated other people's points in one specific instance (in the bart interaction with kts iirc? i forgot to quote this line my b) is specifically why I try to avoid talking points that chalk up to "i agree with xxxx/i disagree with xxxx/this is my opinion on this interaction" unless specifically asked. To explain the other point brought up by bart in that post, I had thought flee fleet had chainsaw defended alette in reaction to my second wallpost and i spazzed out; flee fleet later immediately explained that they had commented on a section of the post that they thought was referring to them, when that wasn't my intention. i dropped that case there. I would also like to argue that my case against Alette wasn't a tunnel. I made 2 wallposts on them, and the second one came because I felt (as did many others) that their response was inadequate and dismissive. Alette's response to my second wallpost was, well, see above Like i mentioned earlier, i still scumread Alette - their reactions to my accusations, their dismissive attitude toward me, and their overall wishy-washy, floating-on-by posts all strike me as scum that doesn't want to leave behind posts that they can be held accountable for. A lot of people also tried to put me/rad together, since rad defended me, but scum rad would have no reason to defend me to this length. if i were their teammate. that would only attract unnecessary attention (like it did) and put both of us in danger - scum rad would probably just try to bus me. this doesn't mean I townread them - I'm just explaining what rad would've done if we were scum teammates. Rad's posts about me (since i'm town) are NAI, as both scum and town rad would do the same actions to gain my trust (because we can read each other pretty well) I'll post a readslist within this gameday, but I'd like to point out one important townread that I have on: i basically townlock this slot and here's why approximately 6 hours before DL, flee fleet posted this - this was just 10 minutes before tuvy's slip was exposed by Athena. I don't see a scum flee fleet intentionally choosing the tuvy that was their teammate to bus (unless all 3 are scum, in which case like /shrug) without referencing the slip as their lynch reason. I also highly doubt that all four scum failed to notice tuvy's slip when it happened, esp when athena questioned it immediately thereafter - based on the assumption that scum were aware of tuvy's slip from early on, I also would like to discard the "fleefleet could be newbscum" argument because I would expect the scumteam to coach fleefleet when bussing, or just have someone else initiate it instead. Instead, I see this as scum choosing not to use that slip as bus fodder and instead holding their breath and hoping town wouldn't notice. Flee fleet, in this scenario, is obviously not part of that scumteam. I would also like to mention two people here related to the tuvy lynch here, and why don't townlock them as I do flee fleet. first is Athena. I do townread them after rereading the string of events, but imo there's still the slight possibility of Athena bussing tuvy here. If Athena happened to see tuvy mess up and slip at that moment, they may have made that initial questioning post/subsequent lynch post to take advantage of the slip via bussing - they got off tuvy when momentum on that lynch never happened at that moment. They could have then reintroduced that talking point near eod1 when other people started lynching tuvy. I don't see this being the case, but it's still not impossible, so I thought i'd mention it here, and is why my athena read is not a 100% townlock. Speaking of which, Alette was the first person to have lynched tuvy, before even fleefleet. Here's why I don't think Alette's lynch on tuvy is a towntell. First is timing: This vote was placed over 12 hours before the wagon started on tuvy, so this can easily be interpreted as "i'll place my vote on my scum buddy early on; I still have plenty of time before DL to switch to an appropriate wagon near deadline, or I could just let my vote stay there if it won't affect the votecount. If tuvy does get lynched because of the earlier slip, I'll get towncred for being the first on the wagon". Alette didn't post from midnight that night (my time) until an hour after that wagon formed. if this were all of it, I'd still interpret it as NAI - i don't think this alone could be considered a scumtell, since town alette could've easily just lynched them after seeing/hearing no response. However, I found this string of actions strange - why did Alette lynch tuvy over inactivity when they expressed such reluctance to lynch, and stressed the importance of being convinced of their target being scum? What convinced you that tuvy was scum at that point? what part of tuvy's action was different from what corrobin did earlier in day 1? While i was reading back in the middle of constructing this post, I found some interesting posts from Alette that I'd like clarification - I don't have the quotes ready, so I'll paraphrase (is there a way to add multiquotes into a post you're already working on?). When asked by refa who they would lynch at that moment, Alette answered "either tuvy/tuvy2" for being frozen up. However, less than an hour later, they respond to weinerboy's (who asked basically the same question as refa did) question with "tuvy/athena/kts". neither tuvy nor tuvy2 posted in between these questions. Why was tuvy2 eliminated from your scumpool? Why did you end up lynching tuvy here? I also don't like the your post "I agree it looks bad as it is their only post so far. I've tagged them for more, but nothing," because when put into context of my earlier accusations, it just seems like you were trying to take credit for noticing the slip when all you mentioned at the time was them being frozen up. seems like an attempt at bussing/gaining some towncred to me. I don't think this is all a coincidence, and i don't think "tunnel vision is warping my views on alette" can explain off all of this. If you guys disagree, please let me know. until then, ##vote alette i really hate that the second part of this post became an alette case again, especially because I came into this post only intending to defend myself/state my townlock on fleefleet. I looked at the lynch patterns on tuvy, and that's when I found Alette's actions suspicious.

by the way, are wall posts looked at unfavorably in SF? because i only have so much time to respond, my posts just tend to become wall-y.

i want to make it clear that i'm not dragging for your postcount or activity , since that would be incredibly hypocritical of me (you post more often than I do) i also read back, and i realized that i misread one of your posts. i thought you said that you valued active scumhunting as towny behavior, when all you said was that some new players exhibit active scumhunting - i saw your posts as rather passive and hypocritical for someone who i assumed would be actively scumhunting as town, since your posts are primarily defending against other players or asking other players questions without applying much pressure. ##unvote alette i think i've applied enough pressure here for now. sorry that i made you feel uncomfortable

oh. ok that part wasnt specifically aimed at FF, but at alette, so i was confused

@Flee Fleet! i realize that i come off as really rude here so i wanna clarify that this wasnt my intention. i'd request a post delete from @SB. but yea all i meant was that i was asking alette the earlier question, not you, and that your defense of alette is incredibly out of place when you haven't really defended other players in this way

ok my last two posts were literally incoherent so i'm going to rephrase it in a more collected manner; i was just that flabbergasted but isnt this literally a slip/chainsaw defense if i've ever seen one? i don't understand why that point was the one point that flee fleet had to respond in my v e r y long post. i'd like comments on this from everyone please and thank you

i hear chainsaws revving like vroom vroom

a) this isnt where you respond b) they could've lynched corrobin in the same post where they asked the questions, or immediately after c) this defense is weird as fuck

ok long post incoming. sad tho that nobody got the nicki minaj reference if someone could explain what ppl mean when they say "v" i'd appreciate it btw. i'm assuming it means something like towny, from context. gonna respond to stuff now. but was there anything else there that you could've said other than "will you believe me when i say i'm not scum? idk" it's like you're asking ppl to be sus of you i mean i'm p sure what you've done for the last 24 hours is the equivalent of "sitting around" not that i can say much myself, since i haven't been able to post at all since yesterday so here are some quotes from you/marth from that time that, in my mind, differentiate your actions from alette's you're actually voicing a strong opinion without posturing, and aren't hesitant to take sides marthy's initial reaction to the corrobin mess was to lynch, much like via's - i find this natural and believable my SR on marthy is light, and it's solely based on that weird post about league that came out of nowhere towards someone I also scumread. tbh it's mostly gone now having seen their subsequent posts i get it; it just looked so fabricated and unnecessary. i understand that alette might be like a tonal/intuitive player (i'd say i fall in this category as well), but that's not what bothers me. i'd just like to point out that your original post was pretty garb and kts had every reason to lynch you for it. i think the conversation has passed already so i don't think an explanation for why is necessary, but if you want one i'm more than happy to give it to you (tbh kts should've done this themselves). that being said, your defense afterwards was good, as others have said already, so you're all g in my eyes i really just didn't understand what you meant by this post. if you could clarify, i'd appreciate it. i really don't see any improvement in play, and hours 24-48 are almost over. if anything, your content has just dissipated, like you're just trying to play it cool and not attract attention, instead of actually trying to (as you like to say) participate in the solving process. what happened to that? what i dont know where to start here like if you're going to say stuff like 'i'm not seeing much to SR ppl on' can you at least react to what's been going on or voice your opinion on specifically why other people's accusations are, in your opinion, unwarranted? i'm thinking of stuff against corrobin, refa, fleefleet, kts, bartozio, etc. fyi i've basically quoted all of your posts here since i last read (over 24 yours ago) i also hope you aren't serious when you say "not many people are really here pushing people other than me" - do the pushes on the above not count for you? or were you just not paying attention? this is just my personal opinion, but there's no real point in conserving your vote - it's not like it's permanent. i see the vote as a way to voice your tentative opinion, and your hesitance to do so makes it seem like you don't want your opinion out there - i find that scummy. and if you genuinely haven't found anyone incriminating enough to vote, i also find that scummy - that just means you aren't reading into these posts yourself to actively search for scum, and are just resigning yourself to reacting to things being sent your way. i honestly just find it very hypocritical that you talked about the solving process and whatnot, and have exhibited no attempts to scumhunt yourself. obviously, you aren't alone in that - a lot of the newbies are basically doing the same thing, and quite a few others simply aren't participating at all - but you aren't really giving me any reasons to unlynch you. one thing that i will give you is that you've been consistent in your tone and your wishy-washy attitude. doesn't mean i like it at all, but it at least gives credence to people like marth defending you via playermeta in past games. as for unanswered questions from my past post, i'll bring them up here for your convenience: why didn't you lynch corrobin when you questioned their behavior? was that not scummy enough for a vote, even now, when they haven't reacted or done much to defend themselves and have basically just retreated into a hole? (ok tbh i have no reason why you guys have let corrobin go - they've failed to explain themselves to any capacity and have basically just peaced out like???)what say you about my accusation that your quote "not all newb town act that way. some are really invested in the solving process" was a roundabout way of keeping corrobin on everyone's scumlist? the other points i'm okay with dropping, since i think it'll just be the two of us reiterating our points back to each other. i'm sure i've missed a lot; i'll reread when i have more time and see if i have any more accusation points that haven't been brought up yet. ask me any questions you guys have, and i'll respond when i can (usually once a day, unfortunately)

the first point is more of a tonal read than anything, much like marth's NAI post on alette point taken on the defending corrobin part; was reading through and got post orders mixed up. still SR on alette tho. the "controlling thread flow" bit, to clarify, is just an extension of being in a mediator position, since that position makes it easier for them to direct future conversations

ok hai gaizzzz first thing's first i'll eat your brains i've seen the term "flip" thrown around here a few times; can someone clarify what people mean by that? I'm new to SF maf and in my homesite (showdown) people usually use the term "flip" to mean the role reveal upon a player's death, and the way it's used here seems like it means something else. anyways, I'll comment on some of the stuff's that's happened so far i guess I see corrobin's vote on shinori as pretty NAI, like most others have said so far. just seems like someone who just wanted to place a lynch somewhere. not that it makes corrobin town or anything. the shinori/supa interaction thingy or whatever - i honestly don't think scumpartners would go so far as coordinate an "interaction" to make themselves look supposedly townier within like the first few hours of the game, esp when the content i saw was (at least imo) meaningless. marthy made a good point here: i think it's safe to think that interaction is NAI. this point has been mentioned a lot i know; just trying to voice my opinion on it before it's like a completely moot point. that being said, this was really weird. why take an entire post in the middle of a serious discussion to make an interaction with another player and talk about something completely unrelated to game? the placement of this felt really weird and fabricated to me; i wanna know if anyone else feels the same this matters cuz i SR alette. first is when asked by shinori (? idr) if they were scum or not: you could've just said no, but why add the unnecessary stuff? I don't understand what you were trying to accomplish here. it seems like alette felt the need to explain themselves more than just a flat out "no", which doesn't really make sense to me if they were just town, esp considering this happened like a few hours into day 1. then, when corrobin lynched shinori: this reaction looks and sounds so fake. via's reaction (immediately lynching corrobin) comes off as much more genuine and natural to me; this post just makes it seem like Alette's trying to take the mediator position amongst town and direct the conversation in a way that a) controls the game in her favor and b) spreads doubt towards players she wants to target. in other words, i see this as alette deliberately trying to look towny and trying to seem unbiased/neutral on a matter that should've elicited a more charged response. I read this post as an attempt to redirect attention and suspicion toward corrobin, especially since this occurred as other people came in and voiced their opinion in defense of corrobin. I feel like if Alette genuinely scumread corrobin, they would a) lynch, which they didnt do, and b) made more direct accusation points rather than say in a roundabout way "newb scum can act the way corrobin did too, so don't discount them as a scum candidate" the fact that all of these things happened within the span of like a few hours makes it seem like this is no coincidence, so in conclusion, ##vote alette also light SR on marthy for that weird interaction with alette as mentioned earlier, but that could be NAI for all i know.

/me in