Crysta

sure, but they won't have the red mirage to bank on this time -- i think they've counted the early vote/absentee first this time around and trump's/the gop's undermining of the electoral process will probably be responsible for their loss if republicans that normally would go to the polls stay home

For those paying attention to Georgia: expect this to be a re-run of election night. Expect a GOP advantage in the votes reported first because more Republicans vote on election day (and these votes are counted before early voting and absentee) and conservative counties are likely to report results faster. We're not likely getting a clear winner tonight, either. Also expect the usual suspects to cry foul again if Dems manage to pull off a win after coming back from behind. Again. EDIT: okay i might have to take that back, this is going much faster than it did on election night

Is this a general anti-meme crusade or just an anti-Flayn-meme crusade? Are you okay with memes mocking other fictional characters you don't care for? It sounds like you are okay with them just because they have wider general appeal than Flayn does.

All the "establishment" Republicans are abetting him. There's a few who have stopped just short of signing off on this latest stunt, when he's two weeks away from being out. I'm fine with imperfect allies. The "establishment" Republicans are not them. You don't need to welcome them with open arms because they're marginally better than Trump. The rot is much more institutional than him, and they have little interest in changing what has been working in their favor for decades now. EDIT: This seriously reminds me of how popular Avenatti was with the left because he routinely shit on Trump until it turned out he was scamming his client and was just as much of a thin-skinned, lawsuit-threatening-because-you-hurt-my-fee-fees idiot as he was

Yes. The problem is that Republicans are accepted as the anti-democratic party and that's just how it is. This is acceptable because it isn't the loud, vulgar Trumpian corruption but the quiet, softer corruption. I legitimately think this mentality is a bigger long term threat than Trump, and it certainly helped paved the way for him.

How is that "both sides"? He was literally on the same side as Trump before the guy started going after him. It's not one or two muddy spots: he is marginally cleaner looking than Trump and he'll be far, far more difficult to excise because he's not cartoonishly stupid or incompetent.

I just brought up the dirt. You don't need to go mining for it: it's not like he's bothered to make a great effort to hide it. Trump just took advantage of the rot that was already there, and has been there for a long time. He could drop dead tomorrow and the Republican party would still remain corrupt af, and it's because of politicians like 'the other guy'. I really don't think not complimenting him is too tough an ask.

He is gone in two weeks. This guy will still be here.

Don't start microscopically small when you don't need to. No one is telling you to ignore this guy's own obvious cynical ploys to subvert democracy in his own damn state, so you can give him slack he doesn't deserve, in favor of frying Trump. You can get rid of both. Trump is definitely not the source of this infection.

And this is how most of the enablers in Trump's orbit will probably have their reputations rehabilitated by 2022 at the latest, when they're showered with praise for throwing Trump into the fire because it no longer endangers their career prospects. It doesn't help. Like, at all.

He's fighting his party out of self-preservation and little else. Certainly not out of deep love for the constitution or our republic. So no, I don't think I will. I'm glad it opens up more avenues to pursue legal actions against Trump... on top of the mountain of other potentially illegal things he has done, but he's not our ally and this is really the bare minimum.

Please don't lionize the guy who spent the week threatening people who hand out water bottles to people waiting in long lines with felonies. Just because he's one of the few willing to punch back when he's attacked doesn't make him good.

What “political consequences” do you expect to manifest when a significant portion of the population still voted for him? After he was already impeached? Legal consequences are the only thing we’re likely to get because the law rarely cares about how popular you are. And he’s spent his whole life stealing money.

All, if not most, of them. Trump's friendship is not politically worthless: there is a reason why they're spearheading the latest attempt to overturn the election even though they know it's not going to work. They want his voters if he doesn't run in 2024, and if he does, they want to be his benefactors. It's not going to end any differently than it did before.

you do realize that even if the democrat party was chock full of raving progessives and socialists that agree with you 100% of the time they still wouldn't get much done, right? do you really want to try to impeach him within two weeks? you really think that's a productive use of their time?

no if republicans are ever control all three branches of the government again -- and it usually does swing back every two years -- they are 100% overturning a presidential election they don't win there is no reality in which democrats are as bad as republicans no matter how cynical and frustrated you are

The weird thing is I think the people who were arguing with the red hats back then were much, much more harsh and sardonic than the ones who are still here. I went back to find my 2016 predictions and it was pretty much skewering after skewering and they still persisted. I think they just got bored/tired and moved on after the win.

Didn't really see any lack of outrage where I'm sitting. Are you expecting that out of the republicans? because lol if you are at this point

this attempt to appeal section 230 is a great encapsulation of short-term conservative thinking and their desire to punish people who make them feel small without thinking about the consequences rip parler

And it’s bad how...?

it's pretty much taking a mistake trump made (after own team negotiated checks down to $600 lmao) and beating the republicans over the head with it. it'll fail, but it'll be difficult to spin that failure as the result of anything but republicans disdaining poor people (but i'm willing to bet there will be some valiant tries!) i know we're conditioned to think there must be a political downside to this but there really isn't. every republican argument against the bigger checks essentially boils down to "we can't let the peasants think they can get more out of us!", and if we're content with paltry sum they're offering the message they will take away from all this will 100% be "we can offer them less and get away with it". that is more or less what's already happened.

pretty a-ok with dems making the repubs boil the georgia runoffs down to "who wants to give me $2000" a week before the vote this is how the other side makes "hissyfits" work lol

Pretty sure they would just re-nominate them. Fascists are good at falling in line, at the end of the day, like they have been throughout their attempt to literally overturn democracy this past month. They're just not having any success in court because there really, really isn't any significant voter fraud and they can't manufacture it themselves just by wishing it into existence.

The older Democrat wing is very concerned with optics and margins and Republicans have no problem manipulating the former because they rarely get punished in any significant way for lying and manufacturing outrage for whatever dumb cultural issue they've decided to focus on that day. The media doesn't do them any favors because their bottom line is profit, and there's always profit to be had in showcasing a mudfight. AOC is as influential as she is mostly because she takes Republicans to task routinely and the most they can do is complain that she was once a bartender and that she tweets too much. They've been trying to turn her into the next Pelosi/Clinton but I'm not sure it's going to work versus a progressive who is coherent and unapologetic lol But her own party will stress out about how she's alienating the more moderate branch and oh no what if that drives voters into the arms of the fascists aaaaaaa

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