WarriorAaron123

Now that I have completed every route, I'm thinking about playing through CF on Maddening. My only problem is, if its got some annoying RNG like Awakening that can be impossible to work around, I may pass. It was already a migraine on Awakening. I will NOT stress myself out like that again. Plus ridiculous RNG like that is not really skill and I like to be able to overcome the game at its peak through some skill. I probably also pass on doing a CF run on Maddening with the CS students being new to me. I want to enjoy their storylines first. If anybody knows if Maddening on CF has stupid RNG, let me know. I'd rather play Dark Souls with a broken sword. And I don't mean taking the easy route and playing casual. I'll only do that if its a migraine to do otherwise. Once I get my storyline pleasures, its classic all the way. Only real way to present a challenge I am heavily invested in.

I could see Byleth potentially desiring more to bring back Sitri after Jeralt's passing. Personally, I could even see Byleth considering to use the Rite to bring Jeralt back instead. However, I was already a little peeved with how childish Byleth was acting after Jeralt's death. Sure, I believe everyone deserves time to mourn. But pouting for the whole month? No. In my opinion, making Byleth consider such actions would drop them dangerously close to the villainous level. We are talking Rhea at the end of Crimson Flower villainous. Although, I do enjoy alternate timelines. The whole Cindered Shadows sideline story is kind of a paradox itself. I even think it could potentially lead to a Golden Route like I mentioned in another post. Overall, though, I like the placement of CS to avoid the complications that would probably occur from the later chapters of Part 1. Imagine how weird the situation would be if it took place in Part 2. I would definitely think they working on a Revelations-like route if they made the three lords work together in part 2. When I first heard about the chalice, I was thinking they were going to give us something like the golden restoration fountains in Echoes, something along the lines of an item with a limited number of uses to revive fallen units in Classic. However, that would probably be too strong, considering we already have time pulse, too.

Lol that was exactly what I was trying to get to with my first post. Although, I do agree it would probably be smarter to make you do the other 4 routes first, then do something like time travel back and have deja vu. I think making you do the other 4 routes would also help make it so you don't "undermine" them. Maybe even just make you do 2 routes or something. Revelations would probably be better for most people if you had to experience the struggles of Nohr and Hoshido first. That's what I did personally. I also agree with you about killing Dimitri/Edelgard. It's for a somewhat honorable reason she wants you to kill her in SS/VW but besides the ending in AM, Dimitri is probably at his best in CF which is why I thought it was unnecessary for her to kill him. I was already feeling bad about having to kill the students I didn't recruit on my first playthrough. I got most of them but Sylvain and Dedue were kinda tough to kill, although you can't recruit Dedue anyways. Glad I didn't have to kill Mercedes, too. All except for Rhea in CF and Edelgard in AM, it would have been easy to imprison and reconcile with the critical enemies. Forget TWSITD though. They get what's coming to them, those Illuminati wannabes.

Lol didn't plan to. My plan wasn't even really to change part 1 at all. I was partly giving an example why it could get pretty crazy. Although I do think Shadows of Valentia gave Grima more depth and improved his image as a villain.

Trust me, I've got a pretty wild part 1 alternative. So, to me, Tiki x Robin is my canonical relationship (Obviously, if you look at my profile picture). Now, stay with me here, but what if Sothis was potentially the daughter, or even sister, of the Morgan birthed by Tiki. One reason I believe it would make sense is that Grima, Robin's dragonic ancestor, was able to manipulate time as well as Sothis. Now imagine this. What if Robin, being part dragon, was still alive due to the long lifetime of dragons and manketes, despite losing Grima's mark. I believe that could be possible as well, since Nah, despite being substantially younger, looks just as old as her mother, who is over a 1000 years old. That would mean that Robin, as Seiros' (Rhea's) grandfather or great grandfather, could potentially discipline Seiros, Cichol, and Cethlenn into cooperating more with the Empire, Kingdom, and Alliance, and maybe even get to admit her wrongdoings. Robin, being their ancestor in this case, may even be able to convince Indech and Macuil to ally themselves with this. I even thought a little about the climactic final battle, which I believe could involve another potential revival of Grima (which sounds a little corny even to me), alongside Nemesis and the Ten Elites, and at the end, there could even be an epic clash of dragons (Robin, Seiros, Cichol, Cethlenn, Macuil, and Indech V.S. Grima). Its obviously very out there and the fact that it would obviously upset many fans, as it would basically say their head canon is wrong, this ending would never happen, although I would totally make a FE3H fanmade route like this if I could. Although, as Grima was also in Echoes, maybe it wouldn't be the most farfetched thing. I can make it even more crazy if you throw in the link to the outrealms, meaning Fates could tie in as well. That would ironic and pretty funny to watch all the responses from those who hate Revelations. Morgan could also play the same role in place or even alongside with Robin. Same with Tiki.

See, I can agree with these ideas. It's a much better approach than Revelations "suck it up" attitude towards the other two routes in terms of undermining them. It was poorly executed in release especially, as people can ignore the other routes entirely since it came almost immediately after them. Even if the developers did do it again, it probably won't hit as hard since everyone has had time to play through all routes unlike Revelations. As for the idea of not everyone surviving to the end of a "golden route", while, to me, it kind of defeats the purpose of the potential forgiveness, it would satisfy a lot of people worrying it would undermine the efforts of the other routes. Plus, I am totally on board with Rhea dying after all she did, especially CF's ending. Maybe she could end up sacrificing herself like in other routes. It would be extremely bittersweet and maybe even too much, but maybe in a struggle with Those Who Slither in the Dark, all of the main lords die, again making Byleth a supreme leader of Fodlan.

I disagree. What's wrong wanting to see everyone get a redemption arc? I'm not afraid of making hard decisions, I pick Edelgard indefinitely, as I have played her route multiple times through. If you think a redemption arc undermines the other routes, you wouldn't even have to buy it, as many people are now aware of potential endings, like Revelations. Radiant Dawn, too, although it is not as well known. I was merely wanting to discuss a good way to execute such a route. I personally prefer at least a potential way to get a golden ending. It seems very potential in CF if Edelgard wasn't so hasty to kill off Dimitri. It even seemed to me, he was more stable in CF than most of AM until Rodrigue dies. I feel that could be rectified entirely if Cornelia is somehow convinced to let the information she let out in AM slip. Rodrigue was already theorizing that there had to be more to the Tragedy of Duscur. I wouldn't say that necessarily. Edelgard means to undo the system Rhea basically established, not simply because she just hates her. Sure, they may not be friends, but I could see it being possible Rhea could see the error of her ways through a mix of intervention from Byleth, Those Who Slither in the Dark, and maybe even Sothis. Honestly, why can't Byleth just say "Sothis said this". Of course, that's a simpleton fix but even it is plausible. That's why I asked for other theories. Maybe even Flayn and Seteth could aid Byleth in convincing her. As for Edelgard, especially if she can see the alternate timelines, I think she can learn to let it go. Forgiveness is a thing and Edelgard has proven to be mostly reasonable. I'm pretty sure Claude could easily be convinced by Edelgard through negotiations with the Almyrans. That seems like a simple fix, and with connections to the newest DLC, his trust issues could be somewhat rectified there. Probably the best way to rectify that is through Byleth, as I said, in Claude's own route, Edelgard is significantly and uncannily trusting of Byleth, again almost as if she has the ability to know the alternative, but even if she doesn't, why can't Byleth not win Claude's heart if he can win that stubborn girl's heart. He even talks about friendship and the ability to scale the walls between each other in the fight against Nemesis. Dimitri would probably be the main challenge but I listed a potential solution or at least a start to one. If everyone who has played every route or at least knows of what happens would stop and think for a moment, is there not a way everything ties together? Also, why does everyone seem to think Sothis is the only one with the power to time travel? Even if she were some almighty being like Rhea preaches, would that not mean she could assist Edelgard, too? I mean, come on, Those Who Slither in the Dark made basically robots and nuclear weaponry.

*SPOILERS* So, hear me out. I know it is a bit late, but I was finishing the last route for myself (Blue Lions) and listened to Lady of Hresvelg and realized a great way to execute a "Revelations" type route. Everyone should know by now that Byleth, as well as Edelgard, both have the Crest of Flames. But what if they both had the ability to Time Pulse, unbeknownst to the player? Maybe they are even both aware of each possible timeline? It seems very plausible to me considering how she acts in Claude's route, how she says she wished you were her teacher instead, despite not really interacting with you on friendly terms. To me, its almost as if she knew about what could have potentially been. Another thing that leads me to this possible belief is that, of course, Lady of Hresvelg is Edelgard's perspective, which leaves little tidbits of every route in the song. Being one of the main instigators of the central conflict, whether you believe she is good or bad, would Edelgard, along with Byleth's support, not be the perfect person to help clear up the misconceptions in each route? With that in mind, she would probably be able to bring all sides together, most likely against Those Who Slither in the Dark, as well as wipe away the false history of Fodlan created by Rhea. Not only that, but with the final DLC on the rise, maybe the secret 4th house could help everyone come to this conclusion. Afterall, all 3 original houses work together to assist them. Its almost set up perfectly together and it wouldn't shock me for an additional DLC to get released that would have such an ending. That's just my personal theory. I would like to hear others' personal theories as well as maybe improvements on my own.