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Looking at Twitter, Seliph went from 4th place to first
while Chrom went from first to a distance second, with Felix climbing.
i can’t say anything until we can look At first hour votes but as it stands, Chrom could end up being the first person to ever go from 1-3
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4th vote for Chrom.
He is losing support fast, it seems, but he still has a very narrow lead online. Doesn't mean that will be reflected in real votes so I am not going to jump ship.Anyway the worst pat about CYL being so early is that the wait until the Feb 1st FEH channel is going to feel like forever and be so stressful.
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I wasn't a fan of Lon'qu with Olivia, as I don't think they will really be helpful for each other. But the others I do think are pretty good, just nothing that really stuck with me.
For Sumia, I like the ones you said for a happy ending, I like Gaius for more tragic playthroughs, because truth is he doesn't really want to change and she is so straight laced that I think there is a bit of a tragic twist there that Sumia doesn't deserve, but is so rare in FE that I felt it would be refreshing to sometimes have those in a playthrough, so that one stuck with me the most.
As for canon, there isn't a strict canon in Awakening, but there is a soft/spin off canon in heroes (Inigo references the sibling support, Morgan insinuates he and Lucina are not siblings), Warriors (Love's many forms pairs Chrom and Olivia, their history mode which is said to be canon used Chrom/Olivia's supports), and Fates (Inigo makes references to Lucina sibling supports, and compares himself to Chrom and Lucina while his Awakening supports compare himself to his father and Lucina.)
Now the reason for that is just because the original polls placed Chrom/Olivia in the top 10 FE pairings. The only other Chrom ship that ranked was Chrom/Female Robin; but that is true of every Lord/Avatar side kick duo, they are always the most popular. So when IS does anything related to chrom's children is usually uses Olivia because is the only other one that ranked.
You can give Chrom a soft canon, but you can't give that to Robin as it would "canonize" a gender and love interest for the unit that players re meant to have agency over. But Chrom is a set character with a set story. I mean, Eliwood/Ninian never got actually canonized either, but Cipher has had implications that the two were together. Chrom and Olivia will never be That level, but they do presently have the most nods. That is all they are, nods. I wouldn't actually debate that they are or ever will be made fully canon, and any day now Heroes could give a Cynthia, Brady, or Kjelle who has dialogue relating to Lucina's sibling supports.
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1 hour ago, Lemmy said:
I can’t speak for everyone, but I got the unique character I wanted in Gatekeeper. And part of why I’m hesitant to vote for Chrom, for example, is that I don’t want another Falchion unit. While his flavor of Falchion is different than Marth, and as a sword unit, both he and his weapon have been powercrept; I feel this coveted spot would be better for someone not tied to Falchion.
1 hour ago, Fire Emblem Fan said:I would hope that if Chrom does win, they do to him what they did to Lucina and give him a lance. Or, they could make him the first CYL dagger unit, it's the only weapon not represented through a CYL unit yet.
I am not too worried about Chrom's weapon if he ever does win.
He has lances as you mentioned, and in Warriors which is non canon but was built around him, he gets lightning based lances. He may use some sort of Dragon's breathe like Lance that is made of lightning and attacks the weaker of Def or Res (Chrom was Naga;s chosen Before he performed the awakening)
He could use Emm's staff, or a new weapon out of nowhere (hopefully not as CYL is a celebration and should be grounded in the character)
But even if he is a Falchion user, which maybe maybe not it could go either way,
I think he would use the awakened falchion, it isn't in heroes yet but it is the last Opus you get in warriors, and is in the end few chapters of the game (performs the awakening, becomes the awakener, sword glows Orange) Don't know what it would do for gameplay but at least the artwork would be very visually distinct from any other Falchion. -
4 minutes ago, Fire Emblem Fan said:
I think Hilda will contend with Bernadetta for 2nd place in the female division, with Byleth grabbing 1st. I'd like to see Nino or Lilina or Elincia in contention, but I don't think they will be. They might break Top 10-20, though.
The male division is a little trickier, I think. On one hand, this really does feel like Chrom's year. On the other hand, the majority of meme characters are male (brigand boss, Abysskeeper, etc.) , and then you have the competition with Byleth, Felix, Ashe, Robin, and potentially Seliph and Reinhardt (who I guess is part of the meme group). We'll see what happens.
There definitely is some GK love out there, but you really can't deny that a LOT of the GK votes were from people memeing. 70k+ votes for...Gatekeeper? Yeah, no, definitely majority meme.
Nino is a recurring top 20 so at least she’s getting some traction. I think she will be back in there! But I do think Hilda will win with golden deer fans now leaving Marianne.
as for Chrom’s competition you hit exactly why I think this isn’t his year. Though I think Ashe will drop at least somewhat, and Robin as never actually been competition for Chrom. He sits in the top 10 and has been by Chrom in rank but never really near him in vote count, I think it’s partially because most Robin fans like Chrom too and may vote for him, but many Chrom fans aren’t Robin fans so they don’t vote for Robin.
And lastly…yes. You’re completely right about GK I think a big portion comes from memes. Maybe it came from memes and blossomed into a true fandom, but regardless I think this will lead to more memes in the top 10.
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2 hours ago, SurvivorSecondChance said:
Do you consider the possibility that some of the GK voters came from the female side? if you look at this Marriane had less than half of Edelgards votes
How did the females side drop so drastically?
I don't have proof that this is a fact but I hope it is indeed true.
Absolutely a large part of it is.
and there’s genuine GK love not saying it’s all a joke but…gatekeeper has proven memes can win when Reinhardt couldn’t. Is Reinhardt the next big meme? He tried but failed but maybe he gets his second wins. Maybe Abysskeeper, or Brigand boss. The reason I think it’s different this time, is that the meme community has proven their power and if any of those memes make it into the top 10, there’s a big change they’ll take 1st place.
2nd place is open, but between M Byleth being made into a secondary unit in his duo, while f Byleth got to lead, that’ll get his fans riled up. Then Felix who got no attention, surely that won’t go over well.
Chrom still got 20k votes and while some came from spite voting and may leave, not all of it did a lot was genuine. So does he have a chance?
well Seliph got no attention this year, and Seliph went from 15 to 6 so back to 15 is likely. Does that all come from Chrom? Who can really say.
Marth fans are likely splitting. Some to Chrom, some to Tiki and Caeda, and some to other legacy characters like Seliph. It’s impossible to track, but it’s way too soon to say Chrom has it in the bag and unfortunately his fanbase on Twitter at least is acting like he does which puts him in a really tough spot going forward.
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2 hours ago, Othin said:
I don't think Gatekeeper votes will necessarily correlate much with other 3H votes. He feels like more of his own thing to me.
Marianne votes probably will, though.
I feel like those would split between Ashe and Hilda more than any other 3H characters. Maybe some still go to characters like Felix. He did go down in votes so those may come back with a vengeance.
but almost all 3H characters went down, while GK had a lot. That’s why I think it correlates but that may not be the case.
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Chrom-
Awakener, awakened Falchion and his great lord costume.
Risen king/fallen. But if they just put purple smoke behind base Chrom and call it a day I don’t want it.
Robin- Grandmaster. M or F, but I don’t need both personally. Use levin sword that I guess just attacks their resistance instead of defense
corrin-Valleite noble design from cipher for F, Hoshidan noble for M. Also no Corrins use Magic/Healing which is what separates Hoshidan and Nohrian so maybe use those weapons.
Olivia-the promotion outfit from warriors. Non canon but looks cool and I don’t see why not.
Dimitri-Lord class. His animations were clean in the base Lord class, but maybe use swords because we don’t need young Dimitri with infantry Lance and swords are Dimitri’s secondary anyway.
Edward-I’m feeling he will be added as a seasonal unit but I want his base costume and his true blade costumethose are the ones I’m pining for, other than some post TS alts but I feel those are coming this year now that every pre ts student is in.
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5 hours ago, SurvivorSecondChance said:
If you look at CYL 4 and 5 Byleth and Felix placement stayed nearly the same there is no way a vast majority of Chrom's votes came from them.
Yeah but I never said a vast majority. My worry is that if he goes down due to that, then gatekeeper votes tend to stay in three houses and give their attention to Byleth and Felix, plus Felix gets rallied due to no alts, it may add up to be enough to take Chrom down.
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21 hours ago, SurvivorSecondChance said:
OK what makes you think Seliph fans would vote for Chrom? Even if they did they would only give like 3000 to 4000 votes which isnt alot.
And even before the actual results I still made it to 3rd place while he dropped.
Not great reason, but there was a lot of Anti-GK rallying. Some vote from Byleth, some from Felix, Robin, and Seliph. All of it adds up. Sure Chrom was ahead of them anyway, hence why they went to him not the other way around...but Felix hasn't gotten an alt at all this year so there is also that plus the votes returning to the pool from GK, that is what has me nervous. We saw All jump from 18k to 62k in one year, after celica won, so it is very likely Felix and/or byleth make the same jump.
chrom also tends to go up and down in votes, so he may not actually make it to 35 again.
I’ll admit I’m partially pessimistic but I think 6 may be out year of Chrom fans leaving team Chrom, thinking we have it in the bag and voting their next guy. Then 7 is our wake up call but by then there’s a new remake , and then a new game…this being Chrom’s last chance just had me stressed and maybe it’s got me pessimistic.
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It may not even be anything against gatekeeper, just a special thing for the 5th ever CYL
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11 hours ago, Tybrosion said:
It'll all depend on whether 2nd place getting a Prf skill was a one-time thing or not due to Gatekeeper crashing CYL5. In my opinion, it absolutely isn't guaranteed that 2nd getting a Prf skill will be the norm going forward.
Ah so CYL6 is what will really tell us. I guess if it was an every time thing they’d revamp old 2nd place winners
okay then! I aim for first and second is a consolation prize even though tbh I think Chrom will be 3rd anyway
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I am really casual so I may sounds dumb but after CYL5 when they both got a preferred skill, is there an issue with being 2nd? Seems like it is fine other than pride for me. I am going Chrom all 7 no matter what because I think a lot of Chrom fans are dropping off due to him having a heavy lead in 5, but I don't want to risk it. So it won't change my votes I am just asking out of curiosity.
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I will as always be voting Chrom, with maybe a vote to spare for Olivia just so they are in the barracks together, even though I know they won't win together.
Honestly I have my doubts Chrom will even win. People talk like he is a guarantee due to his large lead but...Seliph didn't get an alt this year except the secondary character in a harmonic.
Felix didn't get anything at all.
M Byleth was the sec nondairy in a duo while F Byleth led, which may hurt his fans and cause a rally.Meanwhile Chrom got a resplendent
But at the same time, Chrom grew in 20k votes from CYL4 so he seems like a lock...except twitter trends pointed that his votes were mostly from an uptick of Seliph fans voting for Chrom to "beat" GK and they failed. Those votes are going back to Seliph, and gatekeeper votes are going to Felix or Byleth, or others but almost never Chrom.
So Chrom is going down in votes while his three biggest competitors are going up.
Add on that Chrom fans are talking like him winning is a lock, and at the end of the day I am not sold that he will win this one. Maybe 7, but by then there will be a new Echoes game, announced if not released (hopefully) and the CYL will go to characters from that game. Even if it is just an announcement, you can still vote characters from it since they are remakes.
So I am voting Chrom, but I don't think he has the biggest chances of winning. I think he may stay in third place, maybe return to fourth like 1,3 and 4
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I like a good pattern but I also think Janurary being the last book OC’s is the most inoffensive just for CYL.
If Chrom/Felix/Byleth/Seliph got their alt in the New Years banner 3 weeks before voting, they’d be screwed. (Male front runners)
giving it to the heroes characters who are very unlikely to win doesn’t risk that.
though there is still the new heroes banner and the other janurary seasonal, either of those could kill one of their chances. But still this makes it 2 chances not 3 I guess.
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17 hours ago, TheSilentChloey said:
It's not canon.
Like at all.
The devs made that clear as day.
If Inigo was Lucina's sibling they'd make it much more obvious especially in game.
Point being he's not her sibling. Olivia is not the default bride, and seriously 😐 just drop it, because you don't get what the Devs made canon and that is Sumia.
So just stop.
This whole thread is pointless and annoying to read.
But it is canon, and in the coding of the game Inigo is listed beside the other two members of Chrom’s family’s next generation.
He looks like Chrom, is the only child bar Lucina and owain to mention a brand at all, and has a birthdate referencing Marth like Lucina and owain.
he is high up in the New Shepherds, and his original design would have given him blue and golden hair; which is the two colors Ylissean royalty have.Love’s many forms puts Chrom and Olivia together, and warriors makes multiple references to their supports.
heroes also implies Lucina and Inigo are siblings, and fates implied Lazlow is Chrom’s son. However you feel about coding and defaults, despite me already explaining a lot of this for you, doesn’t matter when FE has explicitly made canonical content harder to achieve…and has said all routes are canon due to our realms.
heroes, fates, and warriors all go the route of Chrom/Olivia. That doesn’t mean your own headcanons aren’t canon in the timelines you play.
In all honesty, you’re just wrong.
but beyond that, nothing your saying matters because the fact that Chrom/Olivia is the best thing to come out of awakening and was always canon, as awakening has hundreds of canons, doesn’t change depending on your negative outlook on it. -
18 hours ago, TheSilentChloey said:
You're missing the point.
Your ship isn't Awakening canon, so really this thread is pointless.
It is canon, as are all pairings in awakening.
and however you feel about it, it doesn’t change that it’s my favorite thing to look back on. Since it is canon-ish to warriors and heroes, it is a gift that keeps on giving. And when my point was it’s the best thing that Awakening gave me, it doesn’t really matter if you get that or not.
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On 12/21/2021 at 8:54 PM, TheSilentChloey said:
Again I point out the in game data. Sumia is the quickest to gain support with Chrom.
She's in the opening cutscene of Awakening.
She is literally listed as Chrom’s default bride in the game's coding.
If nothing else, as far as the game is concerned, Sumia is Lucina's canon mother. Anything else, heroes or otherwise doesn't count.
Also I'm not going to say more.
The true OTP is Chrom and Female Robin, because that's the only good story in Awakening as far as I'm concerned.
Support growth rate is for gameplay variety. Nothing points to things like that being canon.
if you need to think of it in real world terms, think of it as “Just because someone gets along easily with you doesn’t mean that’s where you’ll be happiest.”
and if you are arguing solely for speed, technically Chrom and Olivia is the fastest. Since they only need to get halfway to C to get all The way to S, even if others have more invisible points.
cutscenes are for marketing and Sumia is marketable and a really quick and cheap reference to the Pegasus Knight mechanic that has been defining to FE since the first game. It’s really not deeper than that otherwise the writers would point back at her in warriors or heroes but instead both games went for Olivia.
Anything post awakening does count because it shows where the heads of the writers are at but if you’re looking at the games data, look at how Inigo looks like Chrom, his birthday is a reference to Marth.
there are 4 “Marth games” and only 3 are referencedthere are more FE games that were not referenced.
so they could have used either 2 Marth games, or all 4. But they chose 3. And they chose to include Lucina, Owain, and Inigo, all related to Marth. Inigo’s concept would even have him looking similar to Marth in his first game. Inigo’s data is also at the top, only behind Lucina and Owain, and above all other kids. They even mention now Chrom is NOT like Marth; where Sumia is a Marth reference Olivia is more of a Dierdre reference. And Chrom is a lot like Sigurd.
default and easy isn’t the same as canon, fire emblem has been known to hold the “true ending” back behind secondary playthroughs.
i can respect that you aren’t saying more, and am not asking you to. Just not going to let it end with your false info especially here ruining the entire purpose of my thread. Just for the sake of honest journalism.
i don’t think Chrom/Robin is a good speaking for literature, they treat each other as friends and not lovers (outside of the S support and endings) and Chrobin takes away a very beautiful Lucina moment when she gets so few.
the romantic scenes they do have are worse than their platonic scenes, and don’t show another side/deeper side to Chrom that Chrolivia does show.
the Chrom/Olivia supports develop very naturally (when you read them, I can understand the wish that they were in the game aside from the special confession)plus I like that Olivia and Chrom meet through Basilio. Basilio is a great friend to Chrom for a long time even before the story; but Chrom politically aligns with Basilio’s rival and they doesn’t come between their friendship.
now, Basilio saves Olivia and they end up meeting when Chrom has her escort Chrom, and something clicks. Really ties Basilio deeper into their lives.
thematically, her queen ship actually helps the nation heal as she dances to restore their spirits, and she was the last person he met after losing emmeryn who helped spur him on in chapter 11. Like I said, more of a thematic element, but what she does as queen is what she did in his life before she even believed he could ever love her back.
I think it is slept in because it wasn’t ever made obvious in the dialogue itself though. -
I suppose I should have made it a bit more clear in the title this was a ship-appreciation topic to avoid confusion in the early comments.
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8 hours ago, TheSilentChloey said:
It's not canon though.
It's also one of Lucina's worst possible mothers bar the village maiden
See, here's the thing, Olivia is the game's last ditch effort to make a passable Lucina, the Maiden Lucina SUCKS.
But again, more power to you, play how you want to play.
I said workable. Not good.
Sumia aside of Robin is Lucina's best possible mother and for all of you who say Chrom x Olivia is canon check out the game data.
Guess who's the canon bride of Chrom-
That's right SUMIA. By all accounts and largets margin.
But this discussion is pointless.
Sumia canon?
warriors operated on a “canon” basis and yet referenced Chrom/Olivia supports multiple times. They even appear together on “Loves many forms”
Heroes has given Inigo dialogue referencing Lucina’s sibling support. No other characters reference said support chain.
fates gave Inigo multiple references to Chrom and/or Lucina’s sibling support.
And even back in awakening, Inigo’s initial design had Shorts and a cape like Marth did.
inigo’s birthday is also a reference to the release of one of Marth’s 4 games.
of the 4 games, 3 are referencedone by Lucina, Chrom’s daughter
one by Owain, Chrom’s Nephew
And one by Inigo
but birthdays are just references, even still, Inigo is coded at the top of the childrens list (behind only Lucina and Owain) despite his mother joining so late.
he has a high ranking in the Shepherds, and constantly compares himself to Chrom and Lucina.
it’s always been there for Inigo. Even in the subtle ways
Tiki infers that though Chrom loves Marth, he is more like Sigurd
Olivia and Chrom’s love is similar to Dierdre and Sigurd’s. Lucina and Seliph being a light parallel.
then you get personality
Chrom; the main who canonically knows his heart in an instant and acts on gut reactions.
will he marry the girl he’s known his whole life but never had feelings for? Or, as Chrom does multiple times, will he say “I don’t care if people judge us or say we’re crazy, I know what my heart says” as he follows his gut reactions?
which story you prefer is totally personal; but the latter actually makes sense for the character.
Something being difficult to achieve in FE doesn’t ever mean it isn’t canon. Just because it’s hard doesn’t mean it wasn’t something the developers put love and care into. Your attempt to tear it down won’t do you well in this thread.
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1 hour ago, TheSilentChloey said:
You do realise that Olivia as by and large the game's last ditch effort to give you a workable Lucina right?
More power to you though, since if it's your otp it's your otp.
That’s completely false, as there is the village maiden. If you were right, Olivia would marry Chrom even with 0 support points but she doesn’t, she needs 7. It’s more like a hidden route.
1 hour ago, Use the Falchion said:That's sweet! I too am a Chrom/Olivia Shipper, but I'm also a shipper in general, so several other potential relationships stuck out to me. Also, while you may not be a fan of Chrom/Maribelle, I highly recommend watching a video of their S-Support. Maribelle's face turns incredibly red, and it only happens in one other confession (with Henry), so it's super rare and fun to see.
thank you!
i did see all of Chrom’s supports, I played the game way too many times. It’s a good chain and it’s a cute chance to see Maribelle like that! But like you guessed ultimately it isn’t for me so I don’t do that when I play it think about it now, I stick to my main one -
Is his relationship with Olivia. Chrom is my favorite character but the Chrom/Olivia Dynamic is honestly more favorable for me than anything in the other "more advanced" games. Especially with the whole family dynamic, the sibling supports feel perfect with Inigo even moreso now that heroes has canonized Inigo's lines about bugs, and Warriors used Chrom/Olivia which is the highlight.
It is weird because I have never been that much of a shipper, I mean I want all my characters to end up with someone in most things I play or watch, but I don't normally care much about who or how, but somehow Chrom and Olivia has been a huge outlier where it is actually meaningful for me.
It is partially only so strange because pre-release, I saw a poster of Chrom with the four marriage candidates and flipped past, not caring at all who Chrom would marry.
But now, out of any FE character (or any fictional character) that relationship ended up mattering the most for me.
Crazy how it all works out.
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Sorry, thanks for switching me over!
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I always struggle with this but should I be posting this in the awakening group or this one? Hopefully fans see it either way!
Intelligent Systems asks you to add six* more Bracelets: who do you choose?
in Fire Emblem: Engage
Posted
I’m a bit basic but im
Okay with that
-Alm-Great guy, and to differentiate him, I’d make him focus on leadership. Give him a boost in stats when his wielder is the first to move. Emblem skill can call Ram village units (generic archer, swordsman, mage, and Pegasus/griffon flyer) but with Celica by him we can move them the same turn as summoning
-Seliph/Julia-Of course! Julia would also be our first “backpack” female emblem so that’s cool to me. Horse combat, and magic skills. Unlike Chrom/Robin, this emblem will be more like Eirika/Ephraim and change focus based on the wielders higher stat.
-Nanna-Another healing emblem, but Calvary. No sacrifice but instead, some sort of light magic skill? To be honest I haven’t played Thracia in years so im
remembering things from Heroes but trying not to.
-Lilina-I don’t think we need so many mages as now they’d be competing with swordsman, but she’s hectors kid, a great heroine, and we don’t have an explicitly fire magic wielder yet anyway.
-Joshua-I want to say Innes and Tana, but innes getting Robin/Claude/Dimi treatment whej Ephraim didn’t would be wrong plus Joshua could be a throwing knife emblem! Lief does it but more out of necessity than fitting
Also he’s my favorite FE8 character and I am bias
-Pelleas-The other Daein king, in some ways a counterpart to both Micaiah and Soren, one kf the few good aligned Dark Magic wielders, and a dark magic focused emblem (with berserk to reference izuna plot?)
I honestly think sothe is more realistic and far more popular, but Pelleas is an unsung hero who never gets the love he deserves as a character or plot device, and should be given more attention
and that’s a wrap!
ny only regret is no F.Shez but the house lords made it impossible honestly necklaces if Itsuki, Shez, Rowan and Lianne, Anna’s many forms, and Emma/Shade would be a dream