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But like everybody are demotivated c'mon people, post more

I'm having trouble understanding this part, you're basically saying you think Elie is bad for ditching his Manix read? But you seem to think it's bad because some other person who was scum has done this in another game, do you think his reason for dropping Manix was particularly poor too? What I meant about Snike being defensive was that he had a case on me, yet he spent a lot of time directly refuting my case on him instead of elaborating why I was scummy in a way that would convince others to vote me, i.e. he was focusing on not making himself look bad from me instead of trying to push why I was bad to convince others. I don't get your "what made you think you were getting lynched" question, for a long time the wagon was either me or Elieson. Blitz also asks a lot of general questions like "thoughts on this?" which I assume he'll have more comments about after reading the last two pages. Would like content from Elieson, Haze and Via, Kaoz is also supposed to be back tomorrow. The latter three are definitely interesting to hear views from since they weren't on the Dormio wagon. Shin, did the last Blitz post change your opinion on him in any way?

Paper, what are your doubts on me again? You've mentioned Shin and Iris, but regarding me I only remember the Manix vote and the fact that it's more likely that my claim is fake compared to Elie's.

With that logic we should obviously just do a one-on-one between me and you, Refa, since we're both always scum but never at the same time

Shin mentioned early on that Dormio was his main scumread though. My issue is how Blitz suddenly became his best scumread after Dormio despite inactivity and there being a lot of other stuff and interactions to go on.

About red velvet cake, how do you get the nice color? Do you just have to add a ridiculous amount of food coloring? Do you have to use a particularly strong food coloring? I've made some myself and has gotten the taste right, but the color tends to become a tame light brown. What alignment do you prefer? Favorite ITP role?

Also I don't disagree with Paper but he's also lazy, what are even your cases? Thoughts on anyone else on the Dormio wagon?

I get a slightly better feeling from Snike's posts today, I disagree with his role-spec regarding vanillas and me and Elie being 1-1 since it's a lot of wifom, but he' noticed the post about Manix and claimed to have his role interferred with, which feels townie. I still have some issues about his D1 though, he's still saying I'm suspicious but he barely did anything to seriously push my lynch when it actually mattered to get a lynch, and switched to Dormio at some point. I know he was your second scumread, but why did you suddenly start to push him harder than primary scumread which was an entirely viable wagon? Also, you still bring up me "quote mining" you. What does that even mean? And if you still have that issue with me today, why didn't you ask others for opinions regarding that when we needed a lynch? This sorta bothers me about Iris too, who wanted Elie lynched and still does today, yet didn't do much to push his lynch or convince others of it. Regarding her questions, confirmation bias since I know I'm town, but me and Elie being scumbuddies doesn't make sense because 1) we could've easily pushed the Dormio lynch instead of the unpredictable turbo-switch that happened 2) It looked like it was either Elie or me for a long time, from which we'd gain more towncred from bussing each other than saying the other were probably town and self-voting if needed. 3) Two vanilla claims leads to scrutiny (like from Snike), especially when there's yet another vanilla flip. I.e. if we both were scum, what the hell were we thinking? What is your logic for us possibly being scumbuddies, that is, what would we gain from our actions? I don't think Elie is scum due to his late D1 content and tone, but I don't think Manix's flip affects Elie a lot. If anything, the flip makes him look more suspicious since he got flak for his Manix vote yesterday, and with Manix confirmed town, it'd make him look worse by association. If he was scum and just dogded a lynch I don't really think it'd be worth it to immediately give bad associations to yourself, but this is all too much wifom for me to make Elie look either better or worse. Via, who on the Dormio wagon bothers you the most? I feel Refa's posts has been good today, he makes a good point about Shin doing little but defending himself. I also agree with him wrt Iris. Shin's Blitz vote is really weird, because he barely mentioned him earlier and votes him only at this point, with the reason that Blitz hasn't done anything since. He even says it's likely that there were scum on the Dormio wagon and to be cautious about the people swapping wagons out of nowhere, but has got pretty general comments on those players bar Iris, which he honestly has made a more compelling argument to vote for than Blitz. Voting an inactive despite that just feels lazy and not very genuine. I could've understood his points against Blitz last phase, but not suspecting him for those posts before and voting him just now almost feels like an OMGUS. He was also very passive during the turbolynching and basically said someone else had to come and decide the lynch. ##Vote: Shin

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Snike you really got on my case a few pages ago without backing off, why did you switch to Dormio?

I refuse to let a no lynch happen AGAIN if you guys do this I swear

Is the no self vote thing mentioned anywhere? Don't see it in the rules, and I can't recall that ever being a thing.

That's a bad attitude Snike, don't be so defeatist If I lynch myself today, will you guys promise to get on Snike's case tomorrow?

or Dormio but yeah, some of you people decide

Anyway you guys need to decide this lynch because I'm throwing my vote wherever it's needed. I feel like I'm the one trying to negotiate a lynch here and I'm one of the main wagons. It's not even interesting whether I put my vote on me or Elieson because there's literally nothing interesting to read out of it, I choose Elie to not get lynched or I choose myself to secure a lynch.

Shin, Refa, Paper, who do you want to lynch between Elie and me

Elie or me then

Deadline's in like ~40 minutes or so I think

From what I gather, Shin, Refa, Iris, Snike and I are around, even if Snike, Iris and I throw ourselves on Dormio it's not enough. Are Paper still here?

Iris, do you have any actual scumreads, though? It's legit to vote whichever wagon you find worse, but it doesn't sound like Elie is your strongest scumread either. Shin?

Yeah but if it's between what I feel like are all town lynches, at least choose one that gives interesting info. Like I can see the issues with Dormio and all, but I'm getting worse vibes from everyone who's willing to lynch him D1 for being obstinate.

Iris who do you even want to lynch, I feel like you're here just to throw your vote somewhere without particularly caring who?

Not to mention you and Snike ;/