Hiiyapow

10 years late to the party here- what even happened to this thread? Did everyone just end up giving up? I was having fun reading through this and the hard mode one. Given that this thread is the first google result for "Fire Emblem Awakening Lunatic Mode Tier List", I suppose we should at least have some more up-to-date information for the uninitiated coming here looking for answers. -The Frederick arguments don't make sense as they seem to be based off a unit that's really strong early and falls off after the first 4 maps. The reality is that Fred is extremely strong for the first 4 maps of the game, but is arguably even stronger for parts of the midgame if he gets a little bit of exp. As long as you give him one of Awakening's many speed pairups, he is an incredibly asset all through the Gangrel arc and can be made to work for a good bit of Valm as well. He does eventually fall off, but I would argue a unit that is extremely dominant for about 8 maps, 4 of which he is basically necessary for is much better than a unit that trivializes the entire game once they get investment, as many units can "take the place" of Robin and only look significantly worse in 5/6/7. - Panne is way the fuck too high. Wyvern Panne's strength is mostly an urban myth that arose because people forgot to account for beaststone bonuses when taking into account her combat performance. It looks like Panne gains a massive amount of stats on second seal to wyvern, but that's only because the promotion screen doesn't show her in her transformed state. So while it looks like she gains 1HP, 7Str, 2Skl, 5 Def, and -2 Res, she actually has a stat change of 1HP, 4Str, -3Skl, -5Spd, +4 Def and -2 Res. Taking into consideration bronze axe mt vs beaststone mt, the biggest changes you're looking at are +2Atk/4Def for a loss of 5Spd, 2 Res and 3Skl. Along with all the inherent weaknesses of wyvern (bows, wind magic). What's sad is that Panne is actually a great pairup bot if she stays Taguel but she was never given the credit she deserved in this role, despite providing +3/+4 Str/Spd at base and only needing to level Str 2 times to provide 4/4, 5/5 and 6/6 which is an incredible offensive pairup given how early you get it. -Basically everyone is more viable than this tier list would otherwise suggest and a lot of them feel like they're placed without much looking at the raw numbers. Stahl, for example, is placed 8 places above Vaike, despite having the same speed base and growth, worse Atk and a worse class set. Sumia and Cordelia are below Lon'Qu despite the fact that they are basically just Lonq with flier advantages. Yeah sure Sumia's combat is poop on toast, but 99% of the time these guys are used for their pairup bonuses, where Lon'Qu is ahead by a single point of speed. -Ricken is rated below Donnel while Miriel is almost 3 tiers above him despite the units being functionally the same for a lot of the game. They both have good early chip damage, can help take out threatening wyverns in 5 and 7 with wind, and can be strong staffbots once they promote. The entire argument for Miriel being literally 3 TIERS above Ricken is that she gets Dark Mage access. Which means that after you level her all the way to at least level 10 and second seal her, you get a unit that might start being halfway decent once you get past chapter 13 and can consistently access nosferatu. The obvious solution is just to promote at hitting level 10 instead and use the incredibly broken staves the game gives you to break the game. Lissa/Libra also needs to go up for similar reasons. -Libra and Anna are 10 places apart despite being almost the same unit outside of very niche situations. They are both strong staffers that join around Ch9. Libra is very bulky and slower, while Anna is faster. Unless you really care about 1 rounding ch12 cavs with levin sword or grind Anna all the way to Sage for 0% strats, there is very little difference between the two when you add up all their individual wins over each other (Libra's Res, Libras staff rank, Anna's Speed Anna's Lucky 7, Locktouch, etc). -Nowi is above Gregor despite the fact that Gregor is an objectively better combat unit than her. A lot of people use the word objectively to mean "subjectively, but I really really mean it", but Gregor is quite literally an objectively better combat unit than Nowi. Nowi has worse bases (6 fucking speed in chapter 8. SIX? That's what base Vaike has in chapter 2 and he has people in this thread ragging on his speed stat), her midgame is worse because she can't leverage promotion bonuses to gain loads of extra stats, and her lategame is worse because she doesn't have access to anything like Sol/Axebreaker like Gregor gets. -Olivia is in C tier despite the fact that galeforce is apparently supposed to be really good. I guess galeforce that you don't have to grind for, can be applied to any unit and doesn't require you to kill a unit on PP for is somehow bad? ... I could go on but this thread is 10 years out of date so I can't exactly complain if things are wrong. Still, might as well improve the first place people are likely to wind up looking for explanations. Peace.