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7 hours ago, Jotari said:
And might very well be eligible for monthly New Heroes Banners. Oh they might rename it something else like "Renewed Heroes" or "Revisited Heroes" or something, but they really have little to no motivation to stop doing the regular monthly banner thing for games that sell. It's abundantly clear that getting all of the playable characters in the game long term is not their priority. What they want is to sell banners each month, now, for money. Consider this, the game runs for another five years. In that time Valentia, Blazing Blade, Sacred Stones, Awakening, Fates and Fodlan are all finished and Binding Blade only has one banner left. Are they really going to give us a five month rotation of Archanea, Genealogy, Thracia, Tellius and Engage? I'd love it they would, don't get be wrong, but no. They are not going to give us four Jugdral New Heroes banners in one year, ever. But what if they do, fewer games means the banners will reduce faster. Right now a game gets about 8 new characters every three years. If we're down to a six month banner rotation because games are finished then we're at a place where suddenly games are getting the, if not more, in a single year. They go through every game that's present and then a new title is released. Would they give us that singular game every single month for New Heroes? And just deny the new release seasonals or mythics or legendaries entirely because all those slots now have to be filled up to cater to the completed backlog? It's just not feasible. Of course it's unlikely the game will last another ten years, player numbers are dropping and the game will probably shut down within the next five or so. And until then they'll do what they've been doing since the start. They'll shill alts. It's what they've always done. It's why we now have these attuned and rearmed and whatever the flavour of the month gimmick hero is. Nothing about the philosophy of how they've marketed this game suggests they'll do anything other than shill alts the game finally finishes.
You know, thinking about it more, we're both wrong. There is, in fact, a precise precedent for the type of banner you're proposing. The banner that was their attempt to try going deeper than ever on alts of popular characters, that was so hated that they haven't done anything like it in the five years since then.
What you're proposing is a regular return of Adrift.
As for your schedule, I'm not sure why you're so concerned about a situation that you already acknowledged the game probably won't last long enough to reach in the first place. Even if it does last another five years, we'll most likely have another game by then, so a more plausible yearly rotation would be something like Archanea x2, Genealogy x1, Thracia x1, Radiance x1, Dawn x1, Engage x2, New x2. That's perfectly reasonable.
And if they do want to dip somewhat into that space for new alt banners, there are less extreme solutions than giving every completed game an alt banner on every cycle. I think last time we had this argument, I proposed a banner of all Ascended/Rearmed/Attuned/etc Heroes from a mix of completed games. By the time we have seven completed games, we could do two of those per year rather than needing a whopping seven Adrift banners per cycle. That would also help take some of the pressure off the seasonal/elemental banners - which are not as desperate for the help as you suggest. Over the course of a typical year, seasonal+legendary+emblem banners together contribute over 90 units! Guaranteeing a minimum of five slots per completed game per year would still leave plenty of room for other flexibility with those slots.
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30 minutes ago, Jotari said:
None of that is from a game literally running out of characters. Even TMS, as relatively small a cast as it is, hasn't stopped getting banners because it's been exhausted. It's stopped getting banners either because of legal issues or because it was only a cash grab tie in with a new release at the time that they never intended to take seriously. We have no titles where the playable and major NPCs cast are all in the game. And if or when we get to that point, I don't see them completely dropping one of their more profitable titles to make room for their less profitable titles. At best we'll see them become slightly rarer (which is what they should have been doing for years now).
Again, excluding a title from standard New Heroes banners which it no longer has the material for is not dropping the title as a whole. It's still eligible for seasonals, legendary/mythic/emblem banners, Fallen/CYL, and anything else they might come up with. If they care that much, they can turn up its presence in those, such as giving it regular seasonal banners to itself.
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7 hours ago, Jotari said:
Anything they do for a completed game is going to be unprecedented. We won't get to see what they do until they do it (if they get a chance). But what I don't think they'll do is give fewer Awakening banners per cycle.
There is precedent for having games not get banners on consistent cycles. It took years before they started having a rough cycle, TMS has never been part of the cycle, and there's various points of weirdness within the cycles like Tellius games sharing a single slot and recent games appearing more often. So there would be no conflicts with precedent in removing a game from the New Heroes cycle.
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9 minutes ago, Jotari said:
I don't think they'll boot any game from the New Heroes rotation. I personally wouldn't mind if they did, as I'm more inclined to Archanea, Jugdral and Tellius as a fan, but I don't reasonably expect them to abandon the other titles once they're complete, especially since they're some of the more popular titles in the franchise.
On that subject, next month will be our Fallen Heroes banner. After that, the games that have gone longest without a banner are Tellius, Sacred Stones and Fodlan, so we can expect one of them with a reasonable degree of certainty. Sacred Stones and Fodlan are sitting at 8 and 12 remaining playable characters each, so it'll be interesting to see what they do with either of them should they show up (Fodlan, at least, has the advantage most other games don't in that they can literally give us the entire playable cast three times over in different costumes).
Booting games from the New Heroes rotation does not imply abandoning them, it means not throwing away entire New Heroes banners on games that are out of new heroes. There are plenty of other banners where they can feature alts of units from those games.
Introducing those sorts of regular alt banners for completed games just to keep them in the New Heroes rotation would be absurd and unprecedented. Which isn't a guarantee that they won't do it, but there's no more reason to expect it than any other strange way they might hypothetically screw things up. For now, we should default to expecting that it won't happen.
16 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:The skills Sing, Dance, and Play are specifically excluded from the restriction and can be used with Arcane weapons and Echo skills.
Rearmed and Attuned Heroes are also fully immune to restrictions on both Arcane weapons and Echo skills (e.g. Rearmed Chrom can still equip Fate Unchanged... even if he has Arcane Eljudnir and Death Blow Echo equipped).
Interesting. I wonder which relevant dancers would be willing to give up their personal skills for WoM, or other Attuned skills.
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10 hours ago, Diovani Bressan said:
Just remember that non Rearmed/Attuned Dancers cannot use Mercy-Wing Echo with their personal dance skill (Legendary Azura cannot run Gray Waves+ alongside an Echo skill).
Overall the banner is a skip to me, but some nice Heroes there. I liked Yukimaru's Drive 30% Null DR.
Wait, does that include the basic Sing/Dance skills as well, or just the upgraded ones? The basic ones are still technically personal skills, so if they're incompatible as well, that's quite a limitation.
3 hours ago, Jotari said:My view would be the it depends on the banner. Fates is in the moderate position of remaining characters, so if we got one less tragedy it wouldn't be a tragedy. And if it happened again in SoV or Awakening then it's a bit embarrassing as they're clearly grasping. But doing it for Archanea, Tellius or a Jugdral game is a bit ridiculous when they have dozens of characters left compared to other games. They should be throwing the minor characters at us.
I don't think it depends. Doing it for any game slows down our pace of wrapping up that game's cast and booting it from the New Heroes rotation to open up more spots for other games. Losing a new character is losing a new character, no matter which game they're from.
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As of this, top missing Fates characters by CYL8 score:
- 112. Scarlet (641)
- 152. Mitama (446)
- 168. Shura (389)
- 256. Hisame (203)
- [259.] Anankos (197)
- 291. Izana (159)
- 311. Sophie (133)
- 317. Layla (126)
- 331. Haitaka (112)
- [336.] Anna (106)
- 343. Sumeragi (99)
- [358.] Reina (84)
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Immediately relieved by the title only mentioning one alt, which is an odd feeling.
I'm surprised to not see Scarlet, but Mozu and Hayato have been pretty high-profile omissions, and Yukimura is a neat bonus. I'd expected him to be overlooked for a lot longer, but I'm delighted to see that he wasn't. Meanwhile we get to finally start breaking into the capture units with Candace.
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2 minutes ago, Tybrosion said:
Azura hasn’t been used at all since January 2022, so I could easily see her being the next Fates Asset Hero.
Meanwhile, Ryoma and Sakura both haven’t gotten standalone alts since 2019. Oh, and I suppose it’s worth noting that Ryoma has the same JP voice actor as Lyon.
Though if Ryoma does show up, I’d imagine he’d probably just be a secondary Asset Hero (like what Ascended Merric was to Attuned Caeda).
I hope there isn't a second alt, not on a banner without an insta-demote. That'd be particularly weird for Fates.
Where does the term "Asset Hero" come from, anyway?
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I'm primarily interested in the April banner, which will probably be Fates - although I'd love it if Tellius slipped ahead. Looking at the CYL7 rankings for missing Fates characters:
- 79. Scarlet
- 102. Mitama
- 116. Mozu
- [126. Reina]
- 146. Shura
- 211. Anna
- 237. Sophie
- 239. Izana
- 285. Hayato
- 288. Candace
- 297. Layla
- 300. Sumeragi
Scarlet seems like a safe bet, and a simple way to round out the banner would be Mitama, Mozu, and Shura as the GHB. That'd be burning through a lot of the game's top material fast though, which they sometimes do, but not always. Personally my ideal lineup would be Scarlet, Shura, demote Sophie, and GHB Sumeragi. Huh, that's a lot of S names.
For a Rearmed/Attuned hero, there are all sorts of possibilities. Too many to even guess, really.
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I've been advocating for this for years, so I'll take any support for it.
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Emmeryn's staff is neat. Like usual, I'll only focus on the demote for now, and on that note I like how Lissa gets an axe.
I wonder how significant it will turn out to be that Robin F's "second action after assist" effect can work on receiving an assist as well, rather than just using one. Certainly has some potential for shenanigans.
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I waited for almost the end of Caeda's banner to decide whether or not to bother sparking for her and then ended up pulling her on the first free summon.
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Lucina doesn't have a duo yet. Maybe put her with Owain? Or Robin M+F, like the Winter Byleths.
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4 minutes ago, Jotari said:
Oh, yeah, of course. That's where we got our first proper Marc artwork.
Who would feature in a Radiant Dawn banner though? They've done Ike, so the obvious lead to focus on is Micaiah, but if you're going to have Micaiah then you're going to need Sothe...but young Sothe is already a regular character in Path of Radiance (of course Young Ike and Mist were genuine characters in Radiant Dawn who were categorized as Path of Radiance characters in Heroes, more reason that splitting those two games was a poor decision). I suppose they could to a Dawn Brigade banner but without Sothe, or one but with an obviously younger Sothe than Path of Radiance, but it'd be kind of weird one way or another, especially gvien we haven't even gotten any of the non lead Dawn Brigade members yet.
We haven't gotten Young Sothe yet in the first place, but yeah Anniversary Sothe would probably be Younger Sothe. FE9 Sothe seems older than most anniversary characters.
Boyd also shows that there's an opportunity to round out these banners with earlygame group members who haven't gotten into the game normally yet. They could also use characters like Sanaki, Pelleas, Elincia... I think they could make it work if they wanted to.
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6 hours ago, Jotari said:
Assuming they don't do a TMS or Heroes child banner (though they might for the latter, young Bruno Askr royal friendship is an idea that's been dangled since year 1), that means the game must run another seven years (excluding this year) before they're forced to give us a SoV child banner...plus or minus any games that might get released in that time. Of course, there are some things going in Shadows of Valentia's favour. The first is that it's still a lot more popular than Genealogy or Thracia, who I'd personally love to see a child banner of, but it probably won't happen. The other thing is that Engage can't sensibly have Alear in a young heroes banner since they're so much older than all the other characters. Though it's possible they could just give us an Alearless banner or throw logic to the wind and just time travel it all. But assuming SoV has priority over those three titles (and that were getting Awakening this year) that just puts Fates, Three Houses and the two Elibe games in the way of SoV. So there's a reasonable, though not gauranteed, chance to see it in the next five years.
We already got FE7, but also I don't think time travel to include Alear would be too strange. Radiant Dawn is also a possibility, although not necessarily a more likely one than SoV.
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12 minutes ago, Tybrosion said:
We have the silhouettes and they are almost certainly Lissa (left silhouette) and Frederick (right silhouette).
SoV Kids are just never gonna happen, folks. IS isn't capable of giving an entire Special Heroes banner to Valentia. It just can't be done.
SoV already got a full Valentine's banner to itself. Getting an anniversary one is just a matter of time.
Assuming the game stays running for long enough, that is.
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On 3/17/2024 at 6:19 PM, Jotari said:
Yes, our very first duo was a banner unit, and it's all been downhill since then.
If anything I'd say Archanea has more potential for special hero types than Valentia. Aside from Marth and Nyna, there's also Minerva, Hardin, Gotoh, Xane (could work particularly well for him, though they probably won't do something like that for a base unit outside of Engage), Michalis, Camus, Linde etc. There's a lot more independently important Archanea characters than Valentia characters, which tends a bit more to be the Alm and Celica show. The one asset (general use, not asset hero) that SoV has is The over classes, which they don't seem interested in using.
Ephraim+Lyon was the second duo (Nov 2020), Hector+Lilina were a month before (Oct 2020).
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- Summon #4: Alear
- Summon #5: Claude
Guess there's no need for me to go for the spark. Opens up the option of spending those orbs to spark for Caeda, although I'll have to see the Double Special and Emblem banners before committing.
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17 hours ago, Tybrosion said:
Yeah, I’m going to give that suggestion a hard “hell no”. Give that role to Demonic Beast Dedue (you know, a guy with no alts at all) instead if we really need an arcane weapon for armored beasts. Edelgard, for her part, can get a busted kid alt instead and like it.
Even with Nidhoggr being revealed to be a beast armor, that will increase the number of armored beasts in FEH to a grand total of……four. With that in mind, do we really want IS to waste a Rearmed Hero on armored beasts?
I'd like to get Demonic Beast Dedue, but I doubt he'd be a Rearmed Hero. And we need more armored beasts in general. Nidhoggr makes for our first non-colorless one, but we're still missing blue and green. It does seem likely for Nidhoggr to get additional versions, though, which will probably stay armored beasts.
Admittedly, all Nidhoggrs released will be a ways off, and probably uninterested in an Arcane weapon released before them. Still, I personally don't think of either Rearmed Hero slots or Fallen Hero slots as particularly precious resources. We have pretty much all the relevant kinds of conventional Arcane weapons, after all.
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8 minutes ago, ARMADS!!! said:
Oh yeah, Rearmed Chrom! I completely forgot him! Tbh I don't mind having multiple Asset Heroes on the Fallen banner as it very likely won't be used as a way to "rob" anyone from anyone.
Now, thinking back, I wonder why january's NH banner didn't get two Asset Heroes... Every NH banner (barring the CYL) has got it since july of last year (or rather, sorta since june, that got 1 asset hero and one mythic Hero, Heidr, in it), so I'd expect a Thracia banner to have it too, idk.
Yeah, Fallen banners avoid the usual concerns. Rearmed Chrom isn't even any different from usual Fallen banner fare.
Honestly, I do kind of hope we get Rearmed Fallen Three Hopes Edelgard at some point even though she'd be sort of a duplicate, because she'd offer an arcane beast armor weapon. Not like we'd be missing out on anything particularly new for it.
December was Rearmed+Mythic, but yeah, ultimately the same story. I'm glad Thracia didn't lose a character slot though, and I hope we get another full roster in April. At least Jun-Dec aren't an issue since they get insta-demotes to make up for it (aside from CYL, which is its own story). Maybe sometime they'll start doing insta-demotes for Jan-Apr as well, to make it a moot point.
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15 hours ago, ARMADS!!! said:
If I'm remembering it correctly, there weren't any Asset Heroes in past year's (and 2022's) Fallen banners so I think they'll just do the same thing again and do none.
Last year's Fallen banner had Rearmed Chrom. I think it's a safe bet that this year's will have at least one of Rearmed/Attuned, potentially multiple.
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Shura GHB next month is still a possibility, given that he and Castor could have different bow colors.
I really hope April isn't another double-alt month. But it'll be interesting to see how they handle the Fallen banner in May.
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Argh. Gaiden wasn't a one-off, this is another banner with only three new characters.
Caeda looks surprisingly like Lucina here.
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9 hours ago, Etrurian emperor said:
Its funny the banner portrays Sylvain as a loser who can't get a date. The point of Sylvain is that he's a successful flirt who then dumps his dates because he's an ass.
Sylvain's weapon certainly portrays him as stopping to make out with one of your other units before running off to stab something.
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I mean, that is the sort of thing they've been doing for Ascended/Rearmed/Attuned Heroes. But if they planned to have games like Awakening and SOV switch their New Heroes characters entirely to those types of alts, I'd think they'd be doing more to ease them into it by now. Like, if we started going back to getting those sorts of alts as normal heroes on a banner, or as a GHB, that would be telling. But we really haven't done that sort of thing in a while - the closest recent thing was SOV's pegasus knights, but it never started taking the same approach for Valentia-exclusive characters after trapping up the trio. The best precedent for banners where the banner units are primarily or exclusively alts are the recent SOV+Heroes banner and CYL, but those were multi-game banners that still have new GHB units. (SOV+Heroes was multi-game in a way that other banners with guest OCs haven't been, in that it gave Forging Bonds slots to the Heroes units rather than having a full lineup of SOV units.)
That's why I think those are the best model for banners that would seek to offer more of those sorts of alts for completed games: occasional banners where the rare units are Asecended/Rearmed/Attuned/etc alts from a mix of games, while GHBs and any demotes are new units from any game. Doesn't that seem both more in keeping with current precedent and less likely to result in backlash than having every cycle offer a full alt banner for every completed game?
That makes sense.