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@boron If Kirsche is scum, then the logical choice IMO would be to have Kirsche perform the kill each night. Since Kirsche wouldn't be effected by the hook there would have been a kill night 2. Since there was no kill night 2 therefore Kirsche doesn't make sense to me as scum.

So thoughts on boron, Honestly I have no idea. I cannot read boron very well. It's a null read on the player spot I don't know. Anyways just touching on some other things, Kingdom is an absolutely amazing manga. Mitsuki your whole Refa suspicion just reads as paranoia, there's any number of reasons he's still alive. Cam who did you target nights 1 and 3?

So going through mitsuki's iso she very much feels like she's trying to control the game and move in the direction she feels it should, thing is I don't really have a problem with this though. To explain we traditionally don't see town leaders in NOC because all the information is public so there's no secret back door deal makings and there is no need to have everybody report to one person to condense information and find inconsistencies between conversations. With that being said this game definitely feels like we are lacking consistent direction and losing focus at times and somebody trying to direct us could be beneficial. Now with that being said I feel like one of Kirsche and cam is scum, this is predominantly because this makes the night 1kill the most logical, now due to the no kill night 2 I am inclined to believe that cam is more likely, but with that being said it has been pointed out that we don't know whether or not the aesetic blocks the mass hook, and it's impossible for Kirsche to confirm or deny this because doing so confirms he has an actual action to perform, which could only be the night kill, unless one of clarinets or mitsuki is lying and they can give him some action, not likely btw. Gonna go through boron's ISO and the consider whether there is any reason to no-lynch and then I will decide what I wanna do.

If mafia succeeds they win, if they fail there are next to no loses on their part, just one member who gives only weak associative reads. Therefore they are able to gamble a small amount with a favorable rate of success and the prize being massive. A pretty good option IMO.

No izuhark but it makes a lot of sense for scum! Clarinet to make this gamble this day phase. The odds are strongly in maf's favor ATM. Town has to play perfect were as maf can just sit back, not get lynched, and wait for town to fuck up which in most games it is inevitable, so the correct call is to make an aggressive move to secure the win now rather than to rely on town failing. Now this is also a very good gamble if clarinet's is scum because even if it fails then there are no strong associative reads available for town to use to make a comeback.

Also cam why the change on your read on, you were scum reading me for the majority of day 1 and voice you would have no problem lynching me in post 281, and yet without me doing anything significant to impact reads on me in a positive nature you were town reading me at the start of the phase, and now you have me listed as one of your scum reads again. Why the flip flopping what caused these changes?

Kirsche doesn't make sense as scum unless mafia predicted the mass hook. I wish Kirsche was scum because it would be an easy lynch on scum, because theres no reason for scum to risk getting interrupted or caught. Since Kirsche is aesetic the kill would've gone through night 2, since Kirsche is the only person who wouldn't be effected it becomes an easy lynch and town would get rid of one of the more dangerous scum roles.

Powers back so before I jump into iso's just wanna talk about a few posts. Two of things of note in the bolded. First who in this game do you think would make this assumption. Of course it's easy for us to look at the decision given the flips and with the understanding that there is an SK, information which the maf team would have, if we chose to believe SB which I do. Now it makes sense for us to assume SB would shoot blitz, ie the tracker, given that he was bullet proof and had nothing to fear from the day vig. However remember at the time it makes no sense for mafia to assume that tracker would pose a larger threat to the SK than the dayvig, therefore the mafia team would be faced with a situation where there is roughly a 50% chance that they would kill the same target, though personally I would've idled the kill if I were scum, regardless of SK or mafia simply to create misinformation and confusion. Now to get to the actually important part of this whole speel, the scum team should be more concerned with the tracker than the dayvig for the simple reason that the dayvig can potentially kill one member, but he only has one shot at this, where as tracker can consistently fuck over scum, with unlimited uses. That is unless we go by the second important part of the bolded, in which if I'm reading your post correctly you are insinuating that scum killed dayvig because they had nothing to fear of the tracker, which would imply that the ninja is on the scum team, which means that cam is scum. When was the last time you didn't have this thought process lol.Also when was the last time I was town, Tynes wear? Now I'm going to go through iso's and then vote.

Sorry update post from my phone. The power went out at ,y house and I'm not doing read posts on my phone so I'll try to do it tomorow.

So, Refa is town IMO I just don't think Refa is playing like he usually does as scum and I just don't see most of his actions coming from scum. I already explained why I think Eli is town yesterday. Both clarinets and izuhark lack strong early content and haven't posted much recently I ain't that against them though because I have the same problems. Reading through the iso's for the rest of the game as I feel I need them to have a better read on the rest.

Oh contrair, this is why your typo ammuse me.

I'm planing to reread the thread after I eat then post thoughts.

So the night kill didn't help motivate me at all. Somebody I was scum reading for most of the game becomes basically conf town, then gets killed. Somebody I was town reading all game turned up SK and 2 days of not really helpful discussion. You guys can see why I've come to the point of no longer caring. Also Eli you've made 3 votes this phase all on me and continue to have some of the most amusing typos of this game.

Pretty sure mitsuki's vote was hammer.

My target was definitely effected because I was hooked and couldn't empower.

Apparently I don't know SB's scum meta very well so I don't know if it means he's telling the truth about about SK, meaning I was somewhat right ie not mafia, or he's lying and I really don't know his meta.Anyways Eli's recent posts make me inclined to believe he is town. His initial reaction to all the pressure on him was reminiscent to me of his reaction in both quick hammer and qprouqe, looking back on it I think it's closer to qprouqe where he was town and was annoyed that he was getting lynched for no reason, and SK coincidentally also got screwed over night 1. Anyways someone please Unvote some we don't have SB at L-1. Also is the mancer thing role related?

Nothing's really changed, I feel like Michelear is more likely to be scum than SB, predominantly because I'm town reading SB, aside from that there hasn't been much to talk about today. Anyways I wouldn't be concerned about a quick hammer considering we have 2 hours till deadline.

I'm sorry I've disappeared but this game is really hard for me to stay motivated towards. The twilight phase just seemed to drag and then an immediate 1v1 just killed any energy I had.

So sorry I disappeared yesterday, I was driving home for spring break and then just woke up so I should be active enough today. Anyways it should pretty obvious why I gave boron the JoAT, I can explain if people need me to, but I don't imagine I will. @eli, SB's scum meta is a very aggressive and domineering style of play. At least from my experience it is. SB just doesn't read that way to me. idk I don't really feel like making a post with all my reads ATM, cause nothing's really changed based on content with the exception of Michelear predominately because it makes more sense for them to be scum than for SB to be scum IMO. That's not really a huge change though because I didn't have a read on him because he was inactive. I should probably go back and look at role distribution to see if it changes anything but I don't think imma do that right now, I'll probably do that in a couple hours.

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I would just go read toonami which is one seven games I recommend everyone should read. Right behind Fayz mafia.

@refa, I mostly disagree with you about kirsche. I'm just not reading him as scummy.

so strangely enough not a lot jumped out to me after reading through the thread for like the 7th time. so when looking at kirsche's post the first thing that jumps off at me the most is the blitz statement, he makes a valid point and i don't really have a problem with it. uh i have no problem with him meta-ing me, imo its probably the most efficient way to actually case and read me. wrt ms. bunch, its nice that you say its a straight wagon vote, but what makes you feel the izuhark wagon is stronger then the one on me, or kirsche or why we should vote for the wagons other than you. i don't really have any problems or points i wanna comment on anybody else. i find i'm agreeing most with cam and mitsuki. i don't really agree with refa's opinions all that much but i don't find any of his content scummy. i definitely feel he's playing closer to his town meta than to his scum meta. the most disappointing part in rereading the thread was that i didn't get anything solid out of mancer's last post.

i dont think we should turbo anybody. last game i was in that we did so was when proto was doc and was refused to claim for like 5 hours. speaking of where the hell is proto isn't he in this game. still salty about that game, we should lynched you the day before like i said too, but no we gotta hope for crossfire even though that never works. and then i got forced into the worst situation ever and lost because sb didn't wanna joint or something, so you're def scum. anyways working on actual content just give me a bit more time.

quick update on where i am in terms of an actual post, i've had shit to do all morning and haven't been able to post. i'll get something out in like 3-4ish hours after combinatorics.