Hero of the Fire Emblems

You'll probably be interested to note that Tokyo Mirage Sessions handled this, not Awakening; she uses "Big Brother" for Itsuki I think since the avatar can have multiple names, it is probably best that we go the route of TMS and have her call the avatar Big Brother in the same vein as she does Itsuki. "Tar-Tar" is.... really strange, even with the default name of Kris. And I didn't even pick up that it's supposed to be derived from "Avatar" until it was pointed out to me because it seems out of nowhere. Awakening itself has Mar-Mar, and Tiki even says this when she recalls Marth on his death bed... which is kind of soul crushing how she says it. Should I put Tar-Tar > Big Brother down on account of TMS? Right now I have no idea how soon I'll be able to get the raw kanji for legion's dialogue; right now we're mulling over one other piece of dialogue which should hopefully be done soon. Legion's entire set of dialogue is a lot... but it might get done soon, no idea how soon. I'll probably send at least that one minor note we're looking at if not the entire Legion thing. I'll probably wait until I see how they make him talk in Heroes to even start on that also, the two names are "temple of the ice dragon" (Tiki) and "ice's dragon's temple" (the avatar) on the awakening note, it does this: Avatar: Well, that is...most flattering. I don't know what to say. ...... Tiki: What is it, Mar-Mar? Avatar: ...Mar-Mar? Tiki: Ah! Forgive me! I was in habit of calling Marth by that name... It must have slipped out by mistake. Gracious, the resemblance is so uncanny, it's making me forget what millennium it is! Avatar: Heh, I suppose there are worse people to be mistaken for... Tiki: Please, forgive me. Avatar: Actually, I must admit, I rather enjoyed the attention... I'm not 1000% sure, but I think how Awakening's localization "handled" it is by avoiding it altogether and having Tiki let Mar-Mar slip out. Anyone can feel free to correct me on this. i feel like TMS's "big brother" will work better for the avatar himself. er, Tiki only does this for MALE avatars, right?

Basically, which I can look through and approximate accordingly along with looking at other key things. There's a few things that aren't technically mistranslations, but miss an inflection from the Japanese dialogue that make them way out of character and there's one dialogue in particular that a lot of people take issue with that I'm looking over right now since a very similar dialogue happens between Tiki and Lucina in Awakening. @joesteve1914 I'd probably put the patch off until a few days after the banner and Echoes of Mystery paralogue, just in case they localize something else at the last minute- assuming they aren't out by this weekend which they might be

I'm going over some key dialogue like Legion's dialogue myself with a few other people. Since you're doing parts of the script dialogue over anyway, is there any chance we could work it out to where I run the kanji by you and what I think the best approximation for those dialogues are to be in line with localization? The only legwork you'd have to do would be putting it in. Legion's dialogue is basically a matter of using the same code of style as he has in Awakening and Heroes, and applying that to what he says. His dialogue is written with an intentionally strange grammar, and Awakening and Heroes approximate that to English in a specific way Also, I found the two localized names for it, taken from Avatar X Tiki support. What should I put down on the name chart? EDIT: I put both down with a forward slash separating them I also updated Cain's current epithet as "Great Bull" now that you found it in the script. I also moved Roderick up by Sheena and removed the "voting gauntlet" specification since he's in the next banner. I hope the layout I made the namechart and the notes I added are acceptable

Added some names to the name chart. I think I might have stumbled onto the reason why it's Ice Dragon Shrine instead of Temple; it might be a localization that was already done that the old patch actually picked up on. I'm looking into it, along with what Cain's title is in the old patch and if and where Hero-King is used at all in FE12 when are the changes to Legion's dialogue being implemented? After all the names are set? Because there's some other dialogues that need to be looked over as well that I am looking into also, the name chart link should be added to the OP so that people can see the name changes across the board EDIT: Katarina, Luke, and Roderick are heading the next banner in Heroes. We might get a localization of Katarina's real name. Legion is also an enemy with dialogue @joesteve1914 I also found what I believe is an official localization of Ice Dragon Temple in Awakening, looking into it now http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Tiki/Supports Tiki refers to it as "Temple of the Ice Dragon"; the avatar refers to it as "The Ice Dragon's Temple" Should we use the first, second, or both? This is a similar situation to Divine Blade/Exalted Falchion

Olivia very specifically mentions Tellius in her Japanese supports with donnel, but 8-4 shit the bed pretty badly with this and, having apparently never played Tellius, turned the entire serenes massacre into a fucking joke about swans. Also, points for somehow translating Ravens as "evil swans". Panne also makes it very very clear that Laguz existed on a continent across the sea, the same continent that Priam is implied to come from, and return to in his ending; which is obsensibly Tellius itself. I also want to point out that the Fates continent is quite literally the lower half of Valentia/Valm once you rotate it 90 degrees, that a great disaster (most likely the flood, but merely speculation) completely wiped Hoshido and Nohr off the map, and their histories along with them, and that both Anna in the Japanese version of Fates (her quote, literally saying "All the Heroes of this world are not born yet, and the stories you know will come to pass- you know what I'm implying, don't you?") and to a more subtle degree Intsys confirm that Fates is intended to be the first game in the main timeline; similarly, Owain makes himself a bootstrap paradox, Rhajat reincarnates into Tharja, and Corrin reincarnates into Robin, all of which are very unlikely if not impossible should they occur in different universes. the stunt the first dragons pulled is pretty eerily similar to Loptyr, with "becoming ascended spirits", and the First Dragons aside from that seem to be much more primal than other dragons in the series- hence the name. They did so to escape degeneration, which Loptyr likewise did. The last part is very, very tenuous at best; it basically relies on entire populations being trusting idiots that are willing to take random redheads who may or may not be running con deals at their word enough to worship deities that may or may not exist because, well, why not? Fuck Naga, lets worship this "Ashera" that this Anna provides absolutely no proof whatsoever of besides her own word which we will take her at. Provide tithes for Ashera to you, Anna? Sure! Take all my money! EDIT: this is probably irrelevant so by all means continue the argument from before this, didn't mean to digress

No, Tellius has so far remained the same continuity as Archanea/Valentia/Jugdral (along with Fates)- for example, Olivia explicitly mentions the ancient Serenes massacre and Priam hails from a continent across the sea; however, 8-4 pretty severely mangled most of the canon connections to Tellius with bad translation of them (for example, changing the Raven Laguz to "evil swans" and insinuating they rather than Begnion Beorc burned the forest down). The same is true of Treehouse and Fates with it's connections. So this, Chrom mentioning Ashera, Olivia's mistranslated mention of Naesala and Leanne, the allusion that Laguz are the ancestors of Taguel and potentially Manaketes are all worthy of note. True that Kaga was never a part of Tellius, but Awakening confirmed Tellius was a part of Kaga, with 8-4 fucking up their translation being the only hurdle to this. Elibe and Magvel are so far the continuit(ies) that are up in the air and probably seperate

What is Asheunera/Ashera/Yune?

And then we find out in a few months that there's some sort of very backasswards way on Hard Classic that you have to be very specific about on a second playthrough and then Berkut and Fernand both join when you start the Duma fight. im not bitter about Lehran, why do you ask?

The true power of Falchion, Exalted Falchion (Divine Blade Falchion in the Japanese version, same as 11 and 12's epithet). The Falchion in its true power has a might of 15 compared to 12 of the Parallel Falchion. The "base" Falchion is called the sealed Falchion in Awakening, and has lost it's power since the events of FE12 took place. Hence why it is so much weaker than most weapons compared to the Divine Blade Falchion of Marth's era which was perhaps the strongest sword in that era, similar to the fully realized Divine Blade Falchion of Chrom's. Why do you think them not having the final gemstone was so damn important? Lucina performed a partial Awakening ritual with only 4 of the gemstones- Validar kept Sable from their grasp- and this resulted in a Falchion that was only at partial strength. As a result, Falchion could not kill/seal Grima, only somewhat harm him and drive him back temporarily at best. Future Past has Lucina perform an Awakening with all Five Gemstones on her timeline's Falchion, which becomes Exalted/Divine Blade Falchion. The entire reason the gemstone was important was PRECISELY because they needed the full emblem to use the full Awakening on Falchion, not in spite of Falchion. Lucina performed a partial Awakening without Sable in sheer desperation, and this resulted in the half realized Parallel Falchion.

I'm talking about IN Awakening. Not as DLC or anything. Parallel falchion is weaker than the real one. In awakening's base game. And it comes from a different timeline. But this even holds true in both Fates and Echoes; Marth's Falchion is stronger than Lucina's Falchion in both games. The entire POINT of parallel Falchion is that it's an alternate timeline version of Falchion that got fucked up by Lucina, and that's a point they keep intact in Fates and Echoes's amiibo item appearances compared to Marth's Falchion. Regardless of how you spin this, you're either looking at a rip off starsphere in the same way they have a rip off Gradivus (!!) in Echoes, or you're looking at a Parallel Starsphere which cannot be used as concrete, hard and fast evidence to say something about a wholly different timeline. Both of which have a different item name, just like Parallel Falchion does.

If it isn't an alternate universe version, it definitely isn't the genuine starsphere because again that thing is BROKEN currently in Archanea, and Echoes being an interquel forbids the genuine article from being restored- because MARTH has to do that during FE12. Same reason why certain units in FE7 can't die because they end up fathering FE6 units, or outright showing up in 6- they just "retreat". Also similar reason to why Yoda can't win in Star Wars episode 3 and why Anakin can't triumph over his inner evil in that same film. if it's a different universe, it clearly has a different history since it somehow ended up smashed and strewn around the astral temple, rather than being cleanly enshrined in a chest in the Fane alongside the Light and Geo spheres, and thus isn't the same starsphere that we know of in Marth's world- again not being the same item, not based on stats alone but also on circumstance and location. The "with DLC" makes your statement true, but Parallel Falchion (which is base game) does have a different function on account of having a slightly different history where Lucina fucks up the Awakening and only partially awakens Falchion as a key example of how histories can differ.

I'm not even assuredly implying that, because there's not enough info to suggest that. Sure it's a possibility but one I'm not fully jumping on. But I'll humor you; if we go that route, it definitely isn't the same item, but an item from a different world with a completely different history. Which could explain why it has the function of the original pre retcon starsphere and Shards, but nonetheless it has a different history where it is not found by Marth but by Alm. and probably a different Past on top of that seeing where it ended up. This is also the same game where we have a Parthia and Mercurius that are forged by Alm/Celica during the game without any explaination whatsoever, keep in mind.

The implication for the DLC regalia is that they're similar to parallel Falchion in that they're the same weapons from Lucina's timeline; I'm actually referring to the fact that it is hypothetically possible to procure enough Shards for two orbs in a single runthrough but I still digress. The bigger issue is the existence of them AT ALL because even one star Jancith is a problem; the Shards are scattered throughout Archanea, not all holed up in a single temple, Fane or not. The item has an entirely different name for a damned good reason. That reason being it is quite blatantly not the actual starsphere that is currently strewn about across Archanea. again, I would direct you to my comment on the Turnwheels' symbols and the implication thereof.

Which is why I brought up earlier that the Mila Turnwheels seem to have the same symbols on them as the Outrealm Gate in Awakening does, because it seems pretty obvious what they're implying about the Turnwheels with that to me. Its definitely similar to the Fane but I have a few doubts about it; it's missing a few key rooms that are present in FE11, but neither am I certain it ISNT the Fane either

Alm/Celica piece together the Star Jancith in the DLC. From shards. in case you aren't aware, the genuine Starsphere of the Binding Shield is currently smashed into 12 pieces that Wendell is scrambling to try and find over in Archanea. Alm/Celica taking 12 Shards and making an item out of them completely precludes it from actually being the exact same item purely based on order of events, as the true starsphere stays shattered from the end of FE11 up until Gotoh restores it in FE12. FE15 takes place between 11 and 12; unless you want to argue that is no longer the case? It being the same starsphere isn't just an assumption, but it's a literal impossibility and that's precisely why it has a different name altogether. There's also the issue that it is possible to procure enough Shards from the Astral Temple and its inner sanctum to make two or more star jancinths.

Ok I really need to bring this up, I was reading everything but then I had to pause Not only is trying to argue the starsphere is the same in Echoes really a pathetic argument, Serenesforest just outright mistranslated it anyway. It's the star gemstone in the Japanese version and the star jancinth in the English version- neither language has it as the actual starsphere Pretty much all of the DLC is canon to at least it's own Outrealm- that's how the DLC is set up so they don't have to say anything is canon. In fact the runes on the Mila Turnwheels seem to be the same runes on the Outrealm Gate from awakening, but I digress. Even taking this into account- it's the Star gemstone, not the star Orb, and you can procure multiples of them. That's not to say it has absolutely no relation- the entrance to the temple has a poem mentioning all five elements (light, stars, earth, life, darkness), but the genuine article is in 12 pieces and this gemstone is the star gemstone, also known as the star jancinth idk if I mentioned it before, but I really did consider the possibility that the naga tome was built specifically to take on Loptyr because he had a dark tome- if I did mention it before sorry for redundancy

It's not the same item in the Japanese version. It's the Star Gemstone in the Japanese version, not the Star Orb/Starsphere. So they're not relocalizing Starsphere, they're localizing an entirely different item. And, as said above, it's impossible to be the starsphere anyway since that thing is broken during Echoes with the pieces scattered across Archanea. on that note, the orbs didn't have the same Japanese names in Awakening either. In Awakening, they were called the Five Flames- White Flame, Black Flame, etc. So Argent isn't a relocalization of the Lightsphere, and so on. do we have an E.T.A. on the name chart yet?

Where did I ever say she's still alive? Resurrected implies they were brought back from the dead, which is exactly what I said happened. I never said Naga survived without coming back from the dead, which is what seems to have happened.

It'd be pretty funny to get an answer like Duma was definitely a dragon but Mila was intended to be a human shaped goddess, or something no one expects like that

It's all but stated she has severe amnesia. Medeus says she's Naga resurrected and it's implied "Nagi" is her misremembering her own name. So, quite ironically, somewhat like Julia but a lot worse. FE11/12 Nagi, Awakening Naga, and FE4 Naga are all pretty much the same person in their respective art styles

Nagi: Damn, that's cold. I have amnesia and I misremembered my name but that's pretty cold dude. I'm literally listed as Naga in my internal data

Or it could very well be the other way round and Falchion is a nickname for the Kingsfang after it was made a sword. Like the second line somewhat says point blank. it doesn't indicate it happened before duma got it either. Naga very well could have intended humans to use the Fang; perhaps she even gave Duma the idea/instruction to do this, and later did it herself when she needed to.

"The ruler of the Divine dragons was merciful, so before Duma departed, she gave him one of her own fangs, the Kingsfang" "Falchion was the name given to the blade carved from the Kingsfang. It was a sword of beginnings, an incarnation of the ruler herself" They indicate the Kingsfang was given to them and THEN carved into the sword known as Falchion, but they never actually clarify by whom

Falchion was not given to them. The Kingsfang was. It is said that later the Kingsfang was carved into Falchion. they NEVER clarify if Duma or Naga actually was the one to carve the Falchion in Echoes as far as I know, and in the original FE2, Duma is indeed the one being described as making Falchion; so it seems to me, unless there is an explicit mention of it being Naga, that Duma was the one who carved Falchion from the Kingsfang. Naga may or may not have given him the idea, or Duma may have given HER the idea for later. theres also the fact that the Valentia Falchion heals passively as mentioned above and this is probably why that scene plays out like it does- Falchion heals passively. by contrast, Archanea Falchion heals actively- only when Marth, Chrom, and Lucina command their Falchions to do so. in FE Heroes, all versions of the Falchion heal every third turn, but it's not clear if lore wise they retain the original "heal on command" for all but Alm's and the "passive healing" of Alm's, due to Heroes regalia mechanics being dramatically altered for the purpose of balancing Heroes's gameplay

You forget that Falchion heals as well as it harms. What happened in that scene isn't too confusing; Falchion was simply healing what was left of that person and restoring them, and Alm didn't realize it at first. Because of the Witch thing, it could simultaneously tie into Valentia Falchion's purge undead powers. Theyre both two different artifacts made in the same way with very slight differences to them. For instance, the Valentina Falchion slays undead, whereas the Archanean Falchion is only for dragons. They're forged from two different fangs and Naga may or may not have gotten the idea for her Falchion from what Duma and Mila did to her Fang she gave them. Basically, Naga very well could have copied Duma's homework if indeed it's still the case that duma forged the Falchion from the Kingsfang. Naga gave them her Fang, but I don't think they ever directly state that she herself actually was the one who had the idea to make it a sword, correct me if I'm wrong. Not too confusing at all, and a LOT less confusing than the multiple Gradivuses, Parthias, and Mercuriuses. None of which are ever once explained. The shield thing may or may not be supported by the fact that if I remember correctly an enchanted shield is holding the door shut to You-Know-Who's chamber in the Thabes Labyrinth.