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Phoenix

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  1. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Ya know... nothing freaks me out quite like a protestant church with those loud preachers saying inspirational things while the church goers keep raising their hands and crying out to God, tears in their eyes and chanting like mad. It makes me hope that they're right in their beliefs in some ways, but... I also know certain aspects of it are wrong and it bothers me. I guess it bothers me because there's just alittle too much emotion for my taste. And yeah I'm talking about the gospel preachers. The ones shouting at the top of their lungs and everyone holding each other and crying and hugging and getting alittle too well aquainted. What I find wrong with it isn't the emotion or the tear soaked cuddling, just a few doctrinal issues. I do realize something in all of this religious craziness the world is going through. I'm no different, and you're no different from them. None of us are any different from the Catholics, the Athiests, Jewish, Protestant, Muslum, or even Scientologist groups. The only real difference is who we became. I've learned through life that enough psychological influence or torture can heavily shape who a person is and what they believe. I would be an Athiest myself if not for several factors, and you would be a believer in the existence of God if not for several factors. Yeah logic is nice to have, but people don't give up all of their logic when they accept a religion, just a portion of it depending on what they believe. They still have logic or they would be in an asylum right now claiming they can walk on water if they concentrate hard enough and keep their eyes on the Lord. So it's not a severe lack of logic that makes religion reasonable to the person adhering, it's actually personal proof, which comes in all shapes and sizes. The belief in God usually comes from a host of different sources all thrown together to make a God logical and reasonable. In reality, with the way the world is, and with the Bible's legitimacy always in question, religions of any kind based on the belief in something out of the ordinary are illogical. This is a world that relies on proof. Whether or not the proof is there which it usually is, the fact of the matter is that people will all come to different conclusions on their own. There's a standard for logic and that's where the Athiests seem to be at right now. Focusing on a nonexistent til proven existent which keeps things like fantasy worlds in check. But then there's faith, which holds most religions together through a slight blend of logic, "faith", and personal proof. Here's the combination that keeps religion going! With faith, you can bypass the non existent until proven existent default. With personal proof, gathered throughout life, your belief makes sense to you and is totally logical in appearance, and with logic, you create the boundries of your belief, which keeps you from ending up in an asylum saying you can walk on water if you just concentrate and keep you eyes on the Lord. This is why people can believe in what they don't see. It's already proven to them in someway through a host of life experiences. It's the same with Athiests. You believe their is no God because it is already proven through a host of life experiences. That makes us all exactly the same. You may be using more logic than us half the time, but that is the only real difference besides our unique features. Lack of logic in religion? Yes! Total lack? No! Lack of logic in debating religion? Yes! Total lack? Only if you're debating it with non believers. Lack of logic in trying to prove the existence or non existence of God? Yes! Total Lack? No. Lack of logic in using logic as a weapon? No. Total lack? No. Lack of logic in using logic as a weapon against faith? Yes! Total lack? Yes! Lack of logic in constantly trying to trip up the Phoenix? Yes! Total lack? Hell yes! B) (I coverz my bases you misreaders.) "Thank you, come again."
  2. Phoenix

    Religion.

    I'll get back in this tomorrow. I'm tired. Good luck with the loginators Red Fox :D
  3. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Planets in starwars are defined by one major feature, like deserts and forests. That alone makes it bs. Anywho, how's it going, Death?
  4. Phoenix

    Religion.

    I didn't say we didn't have science, I said we haven't changed at the core of our being in the last 6,000 years. Humans are still the same, only now we have technology, and we're still dumb as hell.
  5. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Just so we're clear on this regarding me... I do not believe in an afterlife I do not believe in eternal punishing, but rather eternal punishment I do not believe in pagan rituals I'll add more to the list later Whaddya mean animals?! We're not animals without it! Mankind hasn't changed over the past 6,000 years! We're exactly the same in everything that we do! Technology doesn't make us any different. People worked with less logic back then but still used logic. Nothing's changed.
  6. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Lazy or not, that's like 19 pages of intellectual BS back there. Don't waste your time ;)
  7. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Because I said so
  8. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Have you countered this yet? "You've proven that the widely accepted interpretation shown by the Catholic church is contradictory and therefore false. Not quite proven him non existent." Also what about the Native Americans? My ancestors liked spirits and stuff. Are they wrong? Or are you guys just anti God, and not anti spirits
  9. Phoenix

    Religion.

    You've proven he's contradictory and therefore false by the widely accepted interpretation of the Bible. Not quite proven him non existent. F*ck why did I quote you?! You're just going to come back at me :(
  10. Phoenix

    Instant Game Over

    I'm like that with cats, really tall muscular guys, hostile women, and people who wear sandles(this one isn't confirmed yet)Thanks! That's not usually the comment I get for my brutal honesty.
  11. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Well as long as everyone gets a fair chance of salvation I don't care B)
  12. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Well I'm screwed cause while I like following God around I'm not to fond of Catholic doctrine. If there is a Rapture do the people who love God but don't like the doctrine get left behind anyway? See this is why I couldn't stay a protestant cause it brings up questions and the answers to the questions just bring more questions. My current religion has all of this answered so I'm not confused about much.
  13. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Here's my approach which I'll admit is flawed but works well for me. Life: You're my friend until proven an enemy Xbox Live: You're my enemy until proven a friend (excludes girls) Forums: You're a pile of text until proven a real person.
  14. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Okay... ... ... hm... ... ... Now what?
  15. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Passion and perkiness are the same thing? No way. But I see what you're getting at.
  16. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Awefully perky about that
  17. Oh yeah I totally forgot about that part of the deal. Cookies are great, but being a regional lord is better B)
  18. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Once again, I'm not defending anything. You don't know my religion and therefore can't attack it, so I can't really defend it right now. And I'm not defending the existence of God either. I'm just here to manipulated a few elements of the conversation.
  19. Yeah the Germans can be pretty persuasive huh? "Come now, join us... ve have cookies! You vill be vell compensated for your efforts!"
  20. Phoenix

    Religion.

    That post was me giving them a general defence to use. IT's not the one I use.QUOTE(ZXValaRevan @ Dec 1 2008, 07:23 PM) Except that doesn't defend it. Debate, or any such thing requires logic. Defending something doesn't require logic. That's just you assuming logic is neccessary to defend something. To debate and to defend are two different things. If you want to debate something, you tend to need logic, if you want to defend something, you just have to care about it and have the courage to tell other people off or attack them. Snipers are good at defending things.
  21. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Defending something doesn't require logic. That's just you assuming logic is neccessary to defend something. To debate and to defend are two different things. If you want to debate something, you tend to need logic, if you want to defend something, you just have to care about it and have the courage to tell other people off or attack them. Snipers are good at defending things.
  22. Phoenix

    Religion.

    Me too. But I like adding to the problem if there's no solution.
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