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i have also done things other than argue over semantics, the only post of yours that i've seen that isn't in some argument over somebody's wording is your case on me (and responses to that)

i can do whatever i want; it's bad when i did it too. this is a ridiculous point. town playing badly exists, and more importantly it doesn't make sense as a scum move. it's almost like the quotes you were responding to were made during ED1? this is completely ridiculous. if i were scum, i gained nothing by having stuck to you for that long. look at the timing of those posts; paperblade posted way later into the day, and i'm still pretty sure that the three of us are the only ones who even remotely consider you a lynch target.

oh i guess i missed this one too it's not wrong, but i don't see why gaius doesn't appear to have anything to say about SB/paper interactions either

oh god spamposting makes reading through the whole thread looking for people's posts fucking awful what have i done this is a really lazy vote; i would hav eliked to hear something about the whole sb/paperblade stuff This defense of Izhu is fine, although I'm not sure if this is "your arguments suck" or "izhu is town because ???" this is not wrong, but I don't think it says anything meaningful -- notably, my argument with Izhu is primarily because of playstyle issues which excuses izhu but nothing about me (i could have the order of events wrong, but i think at least BBM had said something about it by then). I buy this, but it doesn't seem like a useful thing to do I would be okay with piling Gaius but primarly because it's "not me". i don't have huge issues with what he's said (i don't even think i missed any actual posts), i just don't think he's actually said anything (this is what i mean by noncommittal) -- he's defending izhu, but i don't know if that's because izhu is town or because boron and my arguments are bad.

..i'm sorry for having ED1 reads during ED1? people that voted you: me boron what are you talking about?

you keep talking about these mysterious "scum reasons" but i have yet to hear anything about what those reasons actually are

like what? it's clearly not ggetting me any town points

that is actually a good catch; i was kind of stream-of-consciousness-ing. I think that Gaius is lazy [something]; I was actually reading the thread to find specifics when I got pinged so I'll have a full analysis in a moment (not being able to ISO suuuucks)

even without getting into "i don't play often enough that trying to meta me is a good idea", i'm spamming partially because it's less painful than trying to deal with RTE

i can see why prims thinks i'm browbeating someone that i know is going to react poorly, but i really really don't see why a townie should get so hung up on defending themselves from like two people, especially considering that, at that point, he admitted that paperblade was his only real read. if you think paperblade is scum, why not push him for it? i also think this is the only thing izhu had said about anything in particular at that point in the game i don't have a problem with this counterargument but i don't know where he's going with this -- is paperblade scum for making this argument? is shin suspicious? why? let's have it. your case on me seems to be largely rehashes of what everybody else has been saying, plus some nitpicking at my use of the phrase "keep in mind" or whatever, and the rest of your posts are literally arguing over semantics

also before the next wave of spamposts i should probably apologize for being an asshole; i'm not in a great place right now

in general i think a lot of my issues with izhuark can probably be boiled down to playstyle issues like gaius said, but i'm not a big fan of nitpicking at wording and micro semantics. a lot of his arguments seem to revolve around some nebulous "scum intentions" without ever actually explaining what those intentions are

like, "getting of SB" is a reasonable thing for scum!BBM to do. "getting off SB and onto me" is not -- why not get onto, say, paperblade, or you, both of whom would have been easier targets?

what does bothering even mean? that can mean anything. refa even voted for him. why would scum!BBM feel the need to get off SB, even if it's weak? nobody said anything about him voteparking on SB. nobody was talking about me. swapping to me accomplishes nothing but drawing attention to himself

i lost this post four times thanks rich text the two reasons are reasoning from two different times; the first time was dumb and i don't know what i was thinking and the second one at least is coherent in my brain? i voted paperblade because i thought paperblade voted SB with the reasoning "shin assuming 9/3 in 12p isn't that scummy", which is really weird. covered this, but i didn't say that i actively don't know why i'm still on him -- i said that i'd forgotten why i originally voted him. i am voting him because i don't like how he reacted to having pressure initially put on him (ie town shouldn't really be freaking out when being poked at a little) this is legit This is painting me black pointlessly; how was i cutting any discussion short? if you think i'm wrong, tell me why i honestly don't know what that means. are you saying i have no reads? here's one: i think you're scum. i haven't budged from this at all; you're just nitpicking at my wording so let me get this straight: I'm scum because "incoherence is a good way to mask scum intentions". Care to tell me what those scum intentions might be? what possible scum advantage could i gain from this?

i'm not rolling over -- i intend to go out swinging, i just won't do so by wasting time (and my own mental health) defending myself

fuck it, i don't want general theory talk, i want to know why scum!BBM would get off of the SB train to chase me down when literally nobody else was doing it

how is "it doesn't make sense for scum X to do this" not a fucking valid counterpoint to "i think X is scum", regardless of how we got to that initial conclusion

like i legitimately don't know what point you're trying to make. you say "town can do things that seem scummy" but that just gives a free pass to handwave fuck anything

i do'nt need scumhunting 101 from you; i've been playing a lot longer than you kthx

is this that case? i thought the whole point was that bbm is scum here

*but i am leaving my vote because of newer reasons

OH YEAH i think gaius' stuff is okay but seems to be kind of noncommittal?

like what does this even fucking mean the conclusion is "BBM is scum" so, you need to ask yourself, "do these actions make sense if we assume BBM is scum" if it doesn't, then BBM is not scum

"town bbm wouldn't do it" is literally the same thing as "scum bbm would" fucking of course scum BBM wants to seem town. How does swapping from SB to me make scum!BBM seem town?