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I honestly don't know :/. I'm voting fable but really don't feel confident in it at all because the things i'm voting him for he could have done as town as well and all the points brought up for other lynch candidates I feel similarly about. As for your response on not doing it as both alignments I'll agree that i'm confused why jordan would think to do this as town but I feel like he's putting himself at a disadvantage by doing this is as scum. While yes he could be trying to force a no lynch by voting a candidate we know won't get lynched, we're like 14 hours away from deadline so I don't really see that plan working well. I think I would go fable/zeon>jordan because again I feel like his play against you would disadvantage him but i'm not very confident on either fable or zeon.

The thing that's bugging me is that why the hell would he go for you of all people? You're not getting lynched today at all and scum have way easier pushes.

Btw do you guys think Jordan's quip about Athena makes him townie? It seems like a weird thing to fake to me.

Also on that note why do you think scum rad would clear Mack if rad and I are scumbuddies? Clearing Mack dramatically increases the chance of my Lynch.

Mack's point is that RAD could have easily just called Mack scum today (he was probably going to be lynched today) and won the game as scum so from !Town Mack's pov RAD has to be town.

That just seems annoying because I did give my thoughts on why I didn't want to lynch zeo and gave my thoughts on evan :/

It was stream of thought pretty much. Can't really defend it, it was just a thought that came to my head so I put it down In response to Mack's point about Evan, I think evan's last post was before the wagon on him started and at the time zeoneth had just three votes and I think only fable was voting him. I think athena and fenrir moved onto evan as well who were a big component of the zeoneth wagon. The point about seeing evan as a viable counterwagon is interesting but town could have definitely done it too as town knows they're town for sure and it's not like that's the only reason zeon voted evan. This is what's frustrating me so far, it feels like all the points could come from either town or scum and while i'm trying to look for stuff that is more likely to come from scum i can't find anything.

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IDK do you think !scum nadroj would want to switch to evan out of paranoia because zeoneth had a better role or something and he didn't want the lynch to happen? I guess from your POV I could be zeon's buddy but from my POV that's pretty much what would have to happen and that sounds like an equally as shit possibility as my reason for lynching you lol. I guess one thing I do find interesting is that zeon did not mention nadroj in his list of suspects which indicates that he's not going to bother to case him which is what scumbuddies would want to be doing right now but that's all I got.

Oh wait I'm a moron we are in the same situation tonight if we mislynch or no lynch I literally said it myself when I said Mack is our last hope why am I so dumb. ##unvote ##vote @Fable

As in I don't really find anything in fables play scummy itself. It's all pretty much it may have been okay to bus Evan as scum based on timing but I really would rather not risk the game bases off that and would like to consider other options.

They have to submit a kill though? Not sure what you mean by wifom. And I'm not saying a negative result will give us anything but a positive result will. Also it is 1 in 4 which is low odds but I definitely don't want to Lynch someone based off things they MIGHT do as scum.

##unvote i have an idea. We no Lynch and hope that Mack is town and he attempts to role block someone to get a result. I feel like it's better than nothing. I hope he doesn't choose me because then we are back to square 1.

uh kind of a mix I guess. On mobile I tend to just type up a post regardless of replies being added whereas on the computer I'll generally look at the replies.

hmm okay was just trying to see if you may have been paranoid about being lynched and so claimed which would mean you didn't see rad's post which would partially throw out my theory on why I think you're town.

@Mackc2 did you read the thread before your claim just curious.

okay so crackpot theory is that scum were going for the ultimate hard bus in regards to evan to perhaps gain the biggest towncred ever and win the game. It was part of the reason kirsche/kill was able to coast for a bit in sfmm5 and the only reason kill started to get suspected was because he stopped giving content and also because of the shinori vote late d2 and I remember scum sb winning a game and I won my training game with that strategy too so it's definitely possible. I don't think it's zeoneth because the angle of "I would like to see them lynched before *lylo" doesn't seem hardbuss enough and I also feel like scum wouldn't need to super indepth on who is who based on the flip for a hardbuss. I'm going to go with nadroj+fable because nadroj's lock in makes a lot more sense and fable pushed the lynch very hard d2. PEDIT: actually went and looked back and saw that fable voted evan as the first vote. Makaze voted evan as a second so still not too much pressure and he unvotes later anyway. This is when fable around. I think the general sentiment at the time was that bart was the scummiest and would probably get lynched so now would be a good time to distance oneself as scum if they wanted to. Nadroj comes in and votes evan. Still not too much pressure. Fable now seems to be gone. The sentiment seems to have switched from bart to zen but evan isn't too high up yet. Athena and fenrir vote. Zeoneth also expresses his sentiment of wanting to lynch evan. Now the pressure is hot and I feel like fable isn't in a position to switch. Going to have to rethink of my hardbuss theory because if !scum fable wanted to just distance why would !scum nadroj come in with a lock-in vote? At the very least I think I can see !scum fable being an actual thing though. Also even if fable wanted to lynch evan d1 he did it at a time when evan was very unlikely to be lynched and from a scum pov it works as distancing. Kind of hate how it comes down to things that COULD come from scum but that's the only way I can see this game. PEDIT 2: Also feeling less and less on the hardbuss theory since a bart lynch would have been fine for nadroj. He had valid suspicions so I don't think he would have been looked at very closely. Fable may have been looked at since he only started to really suspect bart d2 tho. The only person I'm somewhat sure about that could be a thing is scum fable :/. to those asking why godfather wouldn't claim roleblocker, mack doesn't know my role so it'd be extremely risky for him to claim roleblocker as a godfather. Also most people seem to consider him town so idk why he'd take that risk. So in summary out of the three members who could have potentially bussed evan fable seems to be the most likely. If you want to ask me who the second team member is I honestly have no clue but i'll try to reread it again but don't think i'll get much. ##vote @Fable (this puts him at L-3 so be careful). If mack is town (which I think he is) he is our last hope if we mislynch today rip and if i'm wrong sorry guys.

no way godfather would claim roleblocker

oh wait you're town

why didn't you block bart n1? on d2 he seemed to be your biggest read?

I don't think fable encouraging the lynch on d1 means too much because from what I remember he only started pushing it hardcore end of deadline when evan was veeery unlikely to get lynched. Nadroj locking himself onto evan so early seems like it's very unlikely to be bussing imo since he could have easily just switched back to bart The point of the question is from my POV I know i'm town, I'll just assume you're town RAD, and thus the last two scum have to be between mack/zen/fable/nadroj and while I can see mack being scum, the other three pushed evan pretty hard but one of them has to be scum and so i'm trying to figure out why scum would push their own buddy so hard when from what i'm seeing it feels like they didn't need to? As for my reads, The first ones were evan and athena. Evan's rvs comment struck me as weird at first which is why I asked why he was worried about reads on page 2. Later I realized the comment felt fake because he never placed a rvs vote and worrying about reads on page 2 just came off as fake to me. I scumread athena initially because his vote on nadroj came off as hypocritical because his response to nadroj was so minimal so it came off as hypocrtical to say nadroj dropped the convo when athena didn't give much for nadroj to respond to. I switched to evan to pressure him because his posts on page 5 didn't make any sense and he misrepped my argument and I wanted answers. I then had somewhat of a read on satsuma because they weren't showing much commitment and it came off to me like they were trying to set up multiple voting options. This was further worsened by his athena vote because it felt like he only voted him because people were calling out on satsuma not being committal. Athena became worse for a bit due to him saying that he never scumread nadroj yet he seemed to indicate that he did although he later remedied it with his answer. By deadline Evan became a lot worse to me because his new content misrepped what nadraj did, the rapier case didn't make sense and felt thrown out there, and his satsuma quip wasn't good either. I also felt like his d1 fable case was a bit reachy but this was more subjective so I didn't weigh it as much. Okay onto D2. Evan's responses to me on d1 questions weren't very good for reasons I explained (check page 29). Athena was worsened because of their quip on zeo like I explained in the same post. I reallly wanted to lynch bart over the other reads though because I felt my theory about the scumteam was a good one. Sadly it turned out to be utter shit. That's pretty much it.

I'll reiterate my scum reads in a bit but want to talk about a thing because this game is screwing with me hard. Nadroj is also likely to be town because in his evan vote he explicitly says he's gonna lock himself in on evan and he's the second vote. Zeoneth expresses that he wanted evan lynched before *lylo and I feel like he put himself in a situation where he'd basically be forced to vote for evan no matter what? So basically by POV it would have to be mack and fable. I can def see mack being scum still because godfather but fable being scum is bugging me for the same reasons as nadroj. Really mad at myself for not posting my no lynch plan right away should have done that :/. This is going to sound weird but could anyone think of an advantage that scum gets by lynching evan before say bart? I really can't think of any.

Zeoneth is probably town because assuming he knew Bart would flip town as scum which would set him up for an Athena+Fable scumteam where he could push the Athena Lynch killing Athena makes no sense. Lynching Athena seems like an incredibly tough thing to do as well. Also godfather could be a thing I suppose but not willing to risk it off of that. I'm going to go back and try to look at stuff around the Evan vs Bart thing because this game is confusing me T_T

Welp my reads have been utter trash this game. Sorry Bart. I have a dumb plan but I think it's worth considering. Should we no Lynch and pray that we have an investigative role that could get us a result? If we don't or they get killed this is pointless but I figure it's better to do that than nothing. What do you guys think about Mack's "Bart may be trying to implicate me when he flips scum" comment? That seems weird to come from scum and that's whats making me hesitant. Oh this is stream of consciousness I realize my plan is probably dumb because if we don't have an investigative role scum could just fake a result to win the game. In terms of who I want to Lynch I guess Mack would be okay. His votes on satsuma and Bart I remember being meh and I felt like he downplayed the Evan wagon by calling it wishy washy but that comment seems so weird ughhh.

##vote @Bartozio okay after looking at the interactions agree with athena and fable they aren't good. Bart's stance on evan is that his posts are bad but it's fine because he posted bad last game or something. Evan suggested lynching bart to solve the satsuma wagon but never actually makes any attempt at it. As for my theory it seems to be thrown out the window with this evan flip and if I think bart is scum BOTH evan and Bart trying to bus their scumbuddy seems kind of weird. Athena also made a vote on Evan when he easily could have just stuck on to zeoneth @athena_57 despite no longer believing in my theory I will answer your question about the interactions between fable and bart that seemed weird to me. Basically it seemed like Bart seemed to put himself in a position where he never really had to commit to his fable vote? His original vote on fable was just ONE thing and he really never attempted to update it going into D2. He quickly switched to Zeoneth and for reasons I pointed out came off as opportunistic which made me feel like he was merely distancing himself. As for fable it struck me as weird how he painted Bart as the scummiest ed2 but then later said Bart was fine and voted evan. This of course is actually a good thing cuz evan was scum. BTW going back to rad the ultimate thing that still bugs me is why would rad unvote (an hour as he thought) before deadline when he could have just stayed put and do nothing? The two kills definitely puzzles me. I'm not sure if there would be an sk in this small of a game but at the same time I have no idea why a town vigilante would kill makaze/fenrir. I am leaning towards sk because that kill seems incredibly dumb coming from town (sorry if you are a thing town vig). As for the third scum member yeah idk tbh. I would probably sheep athena on RAD being a real possibility but that unvote T_T.