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Welcome to Radiant Confrontation, the 3rd series of our ever growing smash scene. We are looking to begin this on the 16th, as JBF is closing here soon, keep your eyes on that, the finals should be intense! There is also going to be a gimmicky side tourney as well in the near future, stay tuned The Bracket http://sforestsmash.challonge.com/radiant2016 Ruleset 3 Stock 8 Minutes Best 2 of 3, except in Finals, best 3 out of 5 Double Elimination No Customs Starter Stages ● Battlefield ● Final Destination ● Smashville ● Dreamland 64 ● Town & City Counterpick Stages ● Duck Hunt ● Lylat Cruise ● Halberd** ● Omega Stages* * Treated as Final Destination in banning phase. If Final Destination is banned, Omega Stages are banned and vice versa.** ** New to our ruleset The way stage choice works is thus, either both players agree to a stage to start on, or do a method to decide who starts striking stages, my personal suggestion is Game & Watch Hammer, which is when both players pick Game & Watch and use his Side B move and whomever gets a higher number gets the first stage strike. This is also a good way to lag test. The person who strikes first, strikes a stage from the Starter list, then the 2nd person strikes a stage and this continues until only one starter stage left which is the one you both play on Whomever wins a match, can strike 2 stages and the person who lost may select out of the remaining legal stages. There is also something called Dave's Stupid rule, where you cannot counter-pick to a stage you've won on in the set This will keep the strict timelines seen in Joined by Fate (JBF) Character Changes - While you can change your characters during the set, you must tell your opponent you are switching and who to, as is proper in an official tournament. Unless you 2 agree to be secretive, I don't mind either way There is also the Gentleman's agreement, in which both players can agree to play on a nonlegal stage, this also can override Dave's Stupid Rule Mii Fighters are allowed, but they must be 1111 set, sorry folks. - Matches will be recorded and sent to me, may as well add my NNID which is Jedisupersonic, in advance to prep for this. I will also be uploading them to my channel for a tourney playlist, I have a capture card so time doesn't matter. - Please give me your NNID when you sign up, even if you did previously, just for consistency sake, This is including those 4 who early signed up Sign Ups + NNIDs 1. Jedi - Jedisupersonic 2. Draco - Dracocoa 3. StardustRicon - MrStardustRicon 4. Jotaro Kujo - TheTinyImp 5. Elieson - elieson 6. Dotty - RagamuffinDotty 7. Euklyd - euklyd 8. Raven - VanguardRaven 9. General Horace - WAKKAWAKKAWAKKA 10. Clarinets - Pick1e 11. Squid Lord Doof - PrfDoofus 12. IceSage - IceSage776 13. Tsunami - Tsunami922 14. Shezzy - muforfun 15. Yoshi - Albee2398 16. PeaceRibbon - PeaceRibbon Subs in Case we need em 1. DreadFighter 2. Batter 3. Gemma 4. Aura Wolf Scheduling Round 1 4/16 to 4/20 (It ends at midnight) Round 2/Round 1 Losers 4/21 to 4/25 Semi Finals/Round 2 Losers 4/26 to 4/29 Winners Finals/Round 3 Losers 4/30 to 5/3 Losers Quarters 5/4 to 5/6 Losers Semis 5/7 to 5/9 Losers Finals 5/10 to 5/12 Grand Finals 5/13 to 5/15 Round 1 IceSage vs PeaceRibbon Tsunami vs Yoshi Jedi vs Clarinets

As you can see in this chart, there are many characters with swords, and many characters with reflectors, but NO CHARACTER...can reflect missiles with their sword. Thus, I propose that a Sin & Punishment character be added to Smash to fulfill this niche. Of course, this would fulfill other niches as well - a sword fighter fully equipped for ranged combat - a Sin & Punishment rep (Seriously, why don't we have one yet...) - and a character that would finally get me to stop abusing Dedede's Jet Hammer. Indeed, the possibilities are endless. Who's with me? (EDIT: Please do not vote "no" if you haven't played a Sin & Punishment game. Some users have personal bias against me, and I don't want that to affect poll results.)

This is an interesting technique and ZeRo goes over the benefits and cons

With Joined by Fate coming to a close soon, there is some things we need to address. Anyone who joined RoSF/JBF is welcome to participate 1. Did you like the strict timelines? 2. Halberd was voted to be tried as a legal stage in the RoSF thread, how should we handle this addition? 3. Should Game & Watch Hammer be the main stage striking method at the start of a set? (This is where both players pick G&W and use his Judge [side B] Move and whomever has the higher number gets first stage strike) 4. If we were to do a more gimmicky tourney what would you like to see? 2 examples of suggestions i've been given are. Customs Tourney via Dotty, which is simply we can use the fighters many custom moves, but everything else is standard Pick my Character via Jotaro Kujo, which when all 16 players are locked in, they'd select each others characters available throughout the tourney, and they'd be locked to that player 5. Are there any major rules, you don't agree with that we should maybe consider altering for the next regular tourney? That being Radiant Confrontation. 6. What kind of timeframe would you all like to see for Radiant Confrontation starting up? Feel free to bring anything else up as well.

Now its been awhile since I've been able to go to a tourney, I may be able to this month and next month, but I'd like to play in a tourney setting with you guys again. Note there will likely be a 3DS one down the road as well. Bracket is up http://sforestsmash.challonge.com/SFRevival2016 Ruleset 3 Stock (Experimental and Texas seems to enjoy this) 8 Minutes Best 2 of 3, except in Finals, best 3 out of 5 Double Elimination No Customs The Stage List is gonna be from my scene (Blackwolf in Spokane), if you have issues with it. I'll be willing to change it around, just ask me for certain stages and present a case for or against one. Starter Stages ● Battlefield ● Final Destination ● Smashville ● Dreamland 64 ● Town & City Counterpick Stages ● Duck Hunt ● Lylat Cruise ● Omega Stages* * Treated as Final Destination in banning phase. If Final Destination is banned, Omega Stages are banned and vice versa. Players must adhere to the standards of stage picks, first the starter stage is decided by umm... Not sure in this case, Could rng roll or something else, but then whomever wins will cross a stage, then the other person will, etc, out of the starter stages only for the first match. Whomever wins a match, can strike 2 stages and the person who lost may select out of the remaining legal stages. There is also something called Dave's Stupid rule, where you cannot counter-pick to a stage you've won on in the set There is also the Gentleman's agreement, in which both players can agree to play on a nonlegal stage, this also can override Dave's Stupid Rule Mii Fighters are allowed, but they must be 1111 set, sorry folks. I am not looking for a set number, I am looking for interest and going from there, if we have uneven numbers, I'll deal with it. Prize. I actually am looking into a prize for this competition to send the winner whenever that happens, but I'm still trying to pay rent and all that so... give me time lol Looking to start this around 1/24-1/30, But if we get 32 people, Euk and I will set up the bracket and people can do their matches early, but there will be no stress to do matches until the actual starting date. Matches will be recorded and sent to me, may as well add my NNID which is Jedisupersonic, in advance to prep for this. I will also be uploading them to my channel for a tourney playlist, I am getting a capture card so time doesn't matter. Sign Ups + NNID's 1. Jedi - Jedisupersonic 2. Aura Wolf - Octaivian 3. Water Mage - WaterStarLight 4. Radiance - Alvicito 5. Elieson - Elieson 6. Knight of Argentum - Silverknight998 7. Tsunami - Tsunami922 8. Comet - Comet7 9. General Horace - WAKKAWAKKAWAKKA 10. Knife - omar8193 11. Miss Kira - FairwayGamers 12. Batter - lolinternets 13. Gorgar - Gorgar 14. Jotaro Kujo - TheTinyImp 15. StardustRicon - MrStardustRicon 16. IceSage - IceSage776 17. Shin - TheMightyShin 18. Dotty - RagamuffinDotty 19. NeedTheFriction - celalec 20. Pink Forde - CZ-Adam 21. Zerker - AlexZerker 22. N7 - N7_Average_Azn 23. Gemma - DunamisKing 24. Draco - dracocoa 25. Captain Karnage - jmf465 26. Shezzy - muforfun 27. Power Master - Bodine95 28. DavidSW - SecondWorld 29. DarkDestr0yer61 - DarkDestr0yer61 30. DreadFighter - NewerLuigi 31. DodgeDusk - DodgeDusk 32. Carmine Sword - sternski Links to the fights done so far Round 1 Aura Wolf vs DreadFighter Miss Kira vs IceSage General Horace vs Power Master Jedi vs Carmine Sword Radiance vs Draco DodgeDusk vs Dotty Shin vs Batter the Beast Comet vs Shezzy Jotaro Kujo vs Knight of Argentum Gorgar vs StardustRicon Zerker vs Water Mage Elieson vs NeedTheFriction Captain Karnage vs Knife N7 vs DarkDestr0yer Losers Bracket Round 1 Shin vs Power Master DodgeDusk vs DreadFighter NeedTheFriction vs DarkDestr0yer Round 2 General Horace vs Batter the Beast Aura Wolf vs Dotty IceSage vs Jotaro Kujo Radiance vs Knife N7 vs Elieson Zerker vs StardustRicon Tsunami Vs Jedi Comet vs Gemma Losers Bracket Round 2 General Horace vs DreadFighter Shin vs Dotty Jedi vs Draco Elieson vs Miss Kira Radiance vs Carmine Sword Jotaro Kujo vs NeedTheFriction StardustRicon vs Shezzy Gorgar vs Comet Round 3 IceSage vs Batter The Beast N7 vs Aura Wolf Gemma vs Knife Zerker vs Tsunami Losers Bracket Round 3 Shin vs Elieson Jedi vs StardustRicon Quarter Finals IceSage vs Zerker Losers Bracket Round 4 Tsunami vs Shin Jedi vs Aura Wolf Radiance Vs Batter The Beast DreadFighter vs Gemma Winners Finals IceSage vs Knife Losers Bracket Round 5 Aura Wolf vs DreadFighter Batter the Beast vs Radiance Losers Quarters Aura Wolf vs Zerker Losers Semis Zerker vs Tsunami Losers Finals IceSage vs Tsunami Grand Finals

Ok, you know how Makaze's thread works right? They vote for someone to be the focus of a weekly question spree. The voting process here is going to be pretty similar, except for the fact that we will be voting on a character to discuss for a few days. My series currently on hiatus only really allows for my opinion, and I kinda want peoples input on characters and talk about strengths, weaknesses and such. Match ups as well. Votes will be 2 per person per voting period. The voting period begins today, and will end on Tuesday morning, we'll play it by ear from there Please use Red Bolded Text for your votes. Like this. Mario Past Nominations #1 Shulk #2 King Dedede #3 Rosalina and Luma #4 Marth & Lucina #5 Ike #6 Ganondorf #7 Fox #8 Peach #9 DK #10 Sheik #11 Zero Suit Samus #12 Ryu #13 Zelda #14 Palutena #15 Captain Falcon #16 Sonic The Hedgehog #17 Mewtwo #18 Jigglypuff #19 Samus #20 Cloud #21 Metaknight

Hey there folks, Jedi here. As you know I play fairly competitively (although I don't mind a good casual set of fun matches!) I currently main Ike, and I have been for quite some time. However I've been struggling to find my secondary, someone I can lean on just as reliably. I like using a significant number of people in this cast (Cloud, Sonic, Peach, Mario, Marth etc), but I'm not exactly going to go to a tourney and be that jack of all characters guy, I wouldn't get anywhere really unless I just somehow mastered everyone. This is where I ask you other smash players for a little help, who do you all think could help with Ike's weaknesses? Like despite buffs to his general speed, endlag and other things, he still struggles with. A. The fastest characters in the cast. B. Projectile heavy characters. Now I can say, I'm fairly confident in my Ike and i'd go down swinging, (I mean I beat a fairly good Pikachu of all people at the last Spokane tourney I was in, that wasn't easy, but I managed it), but what characters do you think I should look into more maybe? Theres a fair chance i've at least played around with most of the people you'll suggest, so go ahead and give me some suggestions. Reasoning would be nice too, and if you need to ask me like how I play or something, go ahead. I'm open for questions on my style too.

After playing some matches with Euk, Timp and random For Glory, I have some thoughts on Cloud who I was greatly excited for. If there are redundant lines then I'm sorry I'm writing this at 4 am. Now this is a day 1 evaluation, do not take what I say as 100% fact, I'm sure more experienced players will have better things to say. When he's actually allowed at tournaments, who knows I may even take him to a tournament, but we'll see. Also the people at Smash Boards have already complied his frame data https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h5peQlvrlAc2g3kLTllpSkggN6MfpLfZIiBdGv6xOFk/htmlview?sle=true# be sure to click Cloud Cloud is deceptively fast for a character with such a gigantic weapon, every hit is pretty punishing although not as much as say, Bowser or the super heavy hitters, his tilts are all really speedy with little to no lag, the dtilt slide has a little start up, but can dodge attacks and lead into some aerials, mostly the uair. Cloud's jab will always connect fully until around 100+% when it will then possibly start to whiff, but the first 2 kicks can be used as grab lead ins. Filt is a quick slash, that does reasonable damage, and has little to no lag, utilt can chain into itself multiple times and instantly lead into a nair or a uair usually. Ftilt becomes even better with his great ground speed and using pivots along with his ftilt Cloud's throws are sadly not super great, he has a bthrow roundhouse kick, which can lead into a chase situation for his solid Dash Attack, an uthrow which sets people up for a possible aerial, a fthrow that just kicks them forward, and a dthrow which does actually lead into a quickly timed ftilt at lower % as well as his Side B Cross Slash, Cloud's throws are mostly all just neutral game enders to go into an advantage situation, but don't fub up the chase. His grab range is also sadly poor but isn't as short as Ganondorfs thankfully. Pivots help his reach somewhat. But overall his grab game is a tad weak despite the chase possibilities. Cloud's Aerials, hoo man, Fair is somewhat slow, but is a very rewarding move and his speed allows it to be used in various situations and even get a few good spikes off if done well due to how its angled, careful though it has a bit of landing lag, Nair is amazing, it sweeps around him at amazing speed, possibly one of the fastest nair's in the game period you can also utilt right into a nair, it has tons of potential. Dair is a surprisingly swift punishing downward stab, which can meteor if sweetspoted and works slightly like Link's dair, but is faster and can't be as punished. Uair is spectacular, its really fast, its strong and it can juggle or even KO, imagine Ike's utilt but as a super fast bigger hitbox upward strike, its massive and it baits air dodges super easily, allowing for swift juggles if played right, dtilt and a few other moves can lead right into it. Bair is quick and is also fairly strong, not as strong as Ike's but it has great reach and along with his mobility does a good job being a spacing tool and aggressive attack. Bair, nair and uair also can be auto canceled taking out their lag to an extent. Clouds Specials. Neutral B - Blade Beam, this beam is wide and has decent reach, it can actually clash with a number of melee moves along with canceling out projectiles (It even can trade shots with Sheik's needles somewhat). Its a great spacing tool and pressure, B-Reversing it also seems to be ok, but I didn't find it to have a huge special use right now, who knows maybe later. Limit Blade Beam - Blade Beam becomes bigger and does tons of hits even applying a bit of shield pressure even shielded, even Koing around 90-100% depending on stage location and rage. Side Note - Villager can pocket both version of Blade Beam. I tested it myself. Side B - Cross Slash, Cross Slash is kinda strange, you do a quick swing and if you land it, you can do the rest of the combo, at low %'s its very reliable and gets 19% very swiftly, but as the % and your rage grows, it becomes a bit less reliable, also in mid air you can suspend yourself briefly kinda like Marth's dancing blade, but not as nifty. Limit Cross Slash, Cross Slash always does the full combo in this mode, and it pretty much instantly breaks shields, and has pretty good KO potential, if I recall around 80% to beyond, depending on weight class and stuff. Also seems slightly bigger but that may be just me. Up B - Climhazzard, Cloud does a straight upward strike, and you can choose to do the downward strike, SADLY this is one of the weakest recoveries in all of smash 4 unless its the limit break variant. However on stage its a very very good out of shield attack, dragging your opponent into a decent amount of damage as its pretty fast and doesn't have much end lag. Off stage, its easy to gimp this recovery, although Cloud does have a wall jump to his name, so that helps slightly, but this move is finicky around the edge so be careful with it, it doesn't always snap to the ledge, but you can grab the edge while facing away from it at least. Limit Climhazzard - Makes the move an actual recovery giving it gigantic distance and makes it a devastating upward slash which I haven't tested the kill potential of quite yet. Down B - Limit Charge, Cloud's limit gauge is invisible most of the time, however with this you can see it while you charge, this charge up works like a typical b charge up move and you can dodge, shield cancel out of it, also the gauge goes up as you fight, getting hit and hitting both raise it. It can also be used in the air and canceled out via an air dodge. Down B Limit - Finishing Touch, Cloud does a twirling tornado sword attack, which only does 1% damage but it Kills as early as 50/60%, its a very deadly move and one that shouldn't be taken lightly when Cloud is in Limit Mode. It also has somewhat of a windbox so be careful. Up Smash - Is a fairly strong uppercut which stops people in their tracks and lifts them into the air, surprisingly doesn't have that much lag. Fsmash - Three powerful slashes, a very very solid KO option and a good roll read move, however if you whiff you'll most likely be punished. Dsmash - a hilt strike into a backward slash, the backward stab portion is good and the hilt strike does lead into the stab, but its techable, which lowers its effectiveness quite a bit. However the backward stab is not techable at all so its still fairly useful. General impressions - I personally find Cloud to be a blast to play, he's really good at what he's good at, but his off stage game leaves alot to be desired (one of the worst in the game arguably), his limits are super awesome to use, he's really fast for the type of character he is, although he has weak grabs and combo potential, his moveset has a bit of a flow to it while your in a chase, leading to juggles and mild strings, combined with good spacing tools. Where do I think he'll be in the overall tiers? My guess is near the middle of Mid-Tier (No idea if I'll even be right, this is day 1) although his limits can be a game changer and he has a number of tools, his poor recovery offsets it, so a very good Cloud could possibly rise. Will there be? We will have to see. I hope to be proven wrong and he can go high up in the ranks even if its just Mid-High. I do have hopes for him, he seems to have the potential to be pretty solid. I mean his blade beam at least gives him something to work with against the likes of Sheik so -shrugs- she still has that amazing offstage game though... Not sure if he'll be a main either I would like him to be, but I'm still much more comfortable with my characters such as Ike, but this is day 1 after all I'll be using him for quite some time, main or no, for sure, just to get the barrings right.

So out of nowhere last night I decided I was going to do something goofy. (Starting at Mario this became more of an opinions and MU opinion thing) I encourage all discussion. I'm gonna update this, either once or twice a day, maybe more if I'm bored. with a replay of each character in order of their creation in the game industry. On For Glory even if it's meh. So it'll be Game & Watch -> Pac-Man -> Mario, etc. I'm not good with all the characters, i'm gonna try to at least give a decent replay per character though, this will probably involve some small practice or just using what I've seen other people do, I promise no super top tier play though. Game & Watch will be in a bit. Who, all things considered. I'm not that good with. Special thanks to Elie, for helping me with this part. Click the link of the character you wish to see the write up of. G&W and Pac-Man will be done eventually. Mr. Game & Watch (April 28, 1980) Pac-Man (May 22, 1980) Mario (July 9, 1981) Donkey Kong (July 9, 1981) Luigi (July 14, 1983) Little Mac (February 1984) Duck Hunt (April 21, 1984) R.O.B. (July 26, 1985) Peach (September 13, 1985) Bowser (September 13, 1985) Link (February 21, 1986) Zelda (February 21, 1986) Samus (August 6, 1986) Pit (December 19, 1986) Palutena (December 19, 1986) Ryu (August 30, 1987) Mega Man (December 17, 1987) Marth (April 20, 1990) Dr. Mario (July 27, 1990) Yoshi (November 21, 1990) Captain Falcon (November 21, 1990) Sonic (June 23, 1991) Kirby (April 27, 1992) King Dedede (April 27, 1992) Wario (October 21, 1992) Fox (February 21, 1993) Falco (February 21, 1993) Meta Knight (March 23, 1993) Ness (August 27, 1994) Diddy Kong (November 21, 1994) Mewtwo (February 27, 1996) Pikachu (February 27, 1996) Charizard (February 27, 1996) Jigglypuff (February 27, 1996) Sheik (November 21, 1998) Ganondorf (November 21, 1998) Villager (April 14, 2001) Olimar (October 26, 2001) Roy (November 21, 2001) Bowser Jr. (July 19, 2002) Toon Link (December 13, 2002) Zero Suit Samus (February 9, 2004) Ike (April 20, 2005) Lucas (April 20, 2006) Lucario (September 28, 2006) Rosalina (November 1, 2007) Wii Fit Trainer (December 1, 2007) Shulk (June 10, 2010) Dark Pit (March 22, 2012) Robin (April 19, 2012) Lucina (April 19, 2012) Greninja (October 12, 2013)

http://www.dailyevergreen.com/life/article_cbcabce0-11de-11e4-b81f-0017a43b2370.html A Small article on the place, its a gamers place where all sorts of tournaments are held. I plan on trying to attend some of their smash tournaments and get on their power rankings, after some serious training obviously. What better way to train then to get schooled by pros and learn from videos beforehand and spar with people near my skill level. To be honest, I know the lot in Washington are talented, I do not know how I'll hold up, probably meh on the scale The events are usually streamed. If I go, it would be cool if you lot watched my matches (doubtful I'm a nobody but lol), they are going to be around once a month but due to my situation I dno what months I'll be able to actually go. I've been training in all three games they are playing, Melee, PM and 4. I'm currently looking at videos of various players across the map, I'm constantly trying to improve, I still doubt my abilities however. It's gonna be a rollarcoaster.

We have Sonic the Hedgehog, Pac-Man, Megaman, Ryu and we've had Snake before. Outside of these particular 5 who do you think would work as well and why? Clear explanations may help people understand your choices! Also this thread is purely hypothesis and fun, so just have fun! My personal picks? Wellllll.. Also will put pictures of the character in Spoilers #1 Simon Belmont; Castlevania I-IV and others were huge hits on pure Nintendo consoles, sure Castlevania saw arguably its greatest game (Symphony of the Night) on that of the PS1, but Castlevania has always seemed to lean more Nintendo in terms of what systems they are on, although it became more of a tug-of-war later on with Sony. Regardless, Simon Belmont is seen as a Nintendo classic character despite being owned by Konami, I'd say he shares that limelight with Megaman, He'd have a very unique moveset with his whip and subweapons, he could also probably borrow stuff from the other Belmonts such as Trevors Curse of Darkness flame based attacks, Richters Item Crashes, and Julius's pure badassness, plus not to crawl away from his attributes such as his very controllable whip from IV and his pure blood bound determination, although which look of his they'd use is a different question, his old Conan one? Or his later Red haired look. #2 Lloyd Irving; Tales of Symphonia which is regarded as one of the better RPG's on the Gamecube and has a cult following, was really fun and its combat emulates smash somewhat in how specials are done, the game has alot of locales to choose from that could clearly be used in smash. Namco already has stakes in this game and the Tales team is part of the development team onboard, along with Team Soul. Lloyd himself is a dual wielding Swordsman *Has veggies thrown at him* WAIT HEAR ME OUT, he'd be quite different then the previous swordsmen, Lloyd was all about speed, he was self taught, has very aerial based moves and a projectile and waves, he also has some very acrobatic spins and twirls, I feel Lloyd would fit right at home in smash with his more flashy moves. #3 Shantae; WayForwards Half-Genie Half Human Belly Dancer has tons of potential at her disposal and that she's been on mostly Nintendo consoles, her fame is growing more and more, and her various moves in her Metroidvania like games could lend themselves well to smash. While she may not be able to use her animal transformations in Smash, the various gadgets she uses in Pirates Curse when she teams up with her mortal foe Risky Boots, could work and she uses her hair for combat as well, theres also the classic Pike Balls, she'd play like some weird mixture of Simon Belmont and Link most likely. #4 The Hero: Dragon Quest V Dragon Quest has been huge in Japan, and has had moderate success in the west, I feel if they added ANY of the protagonists, it would be the main character from V, seeing as V is oftened lauded as one of the better if not the BEST dragon quest, the various spells, moves and the fact that the OA depicts him with a staff could lend way to a more bo staff/magic type character which would be pretty darned awesome. Also he has no offical name, but going by how DQ8 made their default name Eight, maybe he'd be Five #5 Terra Branford Do I even need to explain how big the final fantasy series is? Terra Branford was the main character of Final Fantasy 6, or 3 as us in the west FIRST received it, she is a really talented mage in a dark steampunk world where Magic is considered taboo and is practically nonexistent, I feel she'd be a pretty good representation of the Pre-Sony Final Fantasy, that was all on Nintendo consoles, and how FF6 is often regarded as one of the absolute best RPG's of the age. Terra has tons of magic, and daggers and various other short weaponry at her disposal as well as her Esper abilities which could lend itself to some powerful magical abilities.

ZeRo who is pretty much one of the absolute best players of Smash 4 decided to do a small video series on what he thinks the tier list looks like currently. He states its even his opinion, and that it may not be right, but here we go. Top https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omU3zzwIMlw High Mid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5vl2gtLQuc Now he's gone off tournament results and his own experience. Characters who didn't reach it up to mid even he admits it's partly due to lack of dedicated players trying to learn their best options and just simply results not always going in their favor. His list at a glance is. S Tier: Sheik, Rosalina, Luigi, Pikachu A+ Tier: Diddy, Ness, Mii Brawler, Sonic A- Tier: Villager, Fox, Zero Suit Samus, Mario B+ Tier: Olimar, Captain Falcon, Yoshi, Pit/Dark Pit, Wario C+ Tier: ROB, Palutena, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, Meta Knight, Kirby, Greninja C- Tier: Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr., Mega Man, Little Mac, Lucario, Shulk, Bowser Low and Bottom Tiers (not in order): Peach, Game and Watch, Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Samus, Marth, Ike, Robin, King Dedede, Falco, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Wii Fit Trainer, Dr Mario, Lucina, Mewtwo, Mii Gunner and Mii Swordfighter

So I found this, its recent as in this month. What do all you smashers be you casual or pro think of this list? Accurate? Skewed? Needs more work?

Lately, whenever I play a match against the CPU, I find them doing things that are normally done when I'm online. For example, one thing I do (and the other player does as well) is repeatedly tap "down" to make the character crouch repeatedly. I believe this is called "pwning"? I don't know the online terms, but I normally do it to show that I'm ready for some fun and the guy on the other end normally does the same thing... or just ignores me completely and gets a free shot in. Another thing I do is taunt at the start of a match. My point is: I think the main game itself could have some "amiibo technology" in it. In other words, I think the CPU is learning from the things we do online or with friends. And I'm wondering if it's just me or if anyone else here has encountered the same thing. This is meant to be a joke or taunt when I'm doing this, but I genuenly think the computer is teasing me.

Or... At least I hope this is. http://www.facebe.net/view/ox6iwknkX4A I've looked around to see those who have already gotten their hands on the new Smash, and if they've posted the music n' stuff. Turns out, few have. But here I am, at school bored out of my mind in my iPad. I would share the direct link where I found: Smash Bros Coliseum Melody But my iPad blocks YouTube. So, I searched in Google, and... I'm hoping, this is an alternate link? http://www.facebe.net/view/ox6iwknkX4A I'm not really sure, I'm hoping someone can get back to me on that. The reason why I'm sharing this is because out of all the music I've heard so far from Smash 4, that wasn't from previous games, mind you, they haven't really... Amped me up. This is one of the stand outs, I believe. And hey, it's Fire Emblem! So that's wonderful, yeah? *mumbles* At first I thought this was a Pokémon Colosseum theme, but... EDIT: Anyone? Yes, no? Is it the correct remix? IS it a remix? I can't play the video myself until I get home, so if someone could alert me if this is a link to the correct song...?

PIT: There's something weird about this fighter, Lady Palutena. PALUTENA: That's Robin, also known as the Avatar. PIT: I wonder where Chrom is... PALUTENA: Who knows? Probably taking a nap at home. CHROM: I'm no idle layabout. PIT: Whoa! Where did you come from?! CHROM: Robin is a skilled strategist and master of both the Levin Sword and magic. Certainly more useful than a simple swordsman like myself, though each of Robin's tomes, along with the Levin Sword, can only be used a limited number of times before it wears out. VIRIDI: Hey look, it's that Ike wanna-be! CHROM: Excuse me?! I think you're sadly mistaken. I lead the Shepherds, not the Greil Mercenaries. VIRIDI: Shepherds, Greil Mercenaries, same difference. CHROM: The Shepherds may have a lot in common with the Greil Mercenaries, but both my leadership style and my fighting style are very different from Ike's. VIRIDI: Pfft! You and Ike are pretty much carbon copies. This is the reason why you were rejected as a playable character. CHROM: If I was rejected for being a "carbon copy" of Ike, then explain why Dark Pit is able to fight alongside Pit. VIRIDI: Because Dark Pit has a wicked staff that Pit doesn't have. Meanwhile, your Falchion is pitifully short compared to Ike's Ragnell... DARK PIT: Yeah, suck it, Pit! This is why the ladies love me! PIT: Don't drag us into this, Pittoo... CHROM: Too late! I'll turn you into bear meat... Once Robin gets a hold of a Smash Ball. PIT: Why wait for Robin to get one? Don't you have a pair of Smash Balls already? Unless the doctor removed them when you were a little boy... CHROM: If they had been removed when I was a little boy, then how could I have possibly fathered Lucina? VIRIDI: Perhaps "Freddy Bear" is the real father... CHROM: Now I'm angry!

Didn't really expect this thread about Marth's confirmation to become a full fledge Smash 4 speculation thread…go figure. Anyways, I suppose I'll maintain this thread for the purpose of announcing all new Fire Emblem in Smash 4 related news and just continue to modify this first post until the game comes out and such. The only other thing that will be announced on this first page aside from ANYTHING Fire Emblem in Smash 4, will be any new characters when they are introduced. April 8th, 2014 Fire Emblem Assist Trophy Lyndis has been confirmed to return as an Assist Trophy for Smash 4. [spoiler=Newcomer ???] The final Evolution of the Kalos Water Starter Pokémon Froakie! A Water/Dark frog Pokémon known as the Ninja Pokémon, Greninja makes a splash into the battle! [spoiler=Greninja's official Render] Greninja does not have a lot of data shown aside from some speed and good mobility! He primarily attacks with various forms of water including some water blasts, a water katana, and his signature Water Shuriken. For further pictures and gallery visit its official Smash 4 page: Greninja's Profile [spoiler=Past Fire Emblem Related Confirmations] [spoiler=Characters] [spoiler=November 7th, 2013] A Super Smash Bros. Veteran since Melee, the Hero King, Marth has returned once again for Smash Bros. 4! [spoiler=Marth's official render] Marth's appearance has been updated to his Shadow Dragon/New Mystery of the Emblem design. Edit: Among the ten images that were put on his Veteran page, it included this one I got a good lol out of this "Bitch I'm Fabulous" pic. For further pictures and gallery visit his official Smash 4 page: Marth's profile [spoiler=Stages] [spoiler=June 11th, 2013] Arena Ferox Confirmed directly from the Super Smash Bros for 3DS and Wii U E3 2013 trailer, a single Fire Emblem Stage was confirmed for the 3DS version of Smash 4 so far. It is based off of the namesake location in ''Fire Emblem: Awakening'', featuring the same floor design as the map and even has the crowd seen during a character battle. It features 4 additional platforms, 3 of which are suspended from the air by chains. No other data has been given regarding this map aside from visual data. [spoiler=November 25th, 2013] A rather small smash update, it would appear that the Arena Ferox stage is a Dynamic Stage, which means that the the platforms will change from time to time like the Pokémon Stadium stages in previous smash games. We can assume that the stage has multiple platform sets. [spoiler=All Smash Confirmations] [spoiler=Characters] [spoiler=Veteran Characters] June 11th, 2013 Mario Link Kirby Pikachu Fox Donkey Kong Samus Bowser Pit July 12th, 2013 Pikmin & Olimar August 7th, 2013 Luigi September 12th, 2013 Peach September 26th, 2013 Toon Link October 1st, 2013 Sonic November 7th, 2013 Marth December 26th, 2013 Zelda January 10th, 2014 King Dedede January 31st, 2014 Lucario February 20th, 2014 Diddy Kong April 8th, 2014 Zero Suit Samus Shiek Yoshi Charizard [spoiler=Newcomer Characters] June 11th, 2013 [spoiler=Newcomer ???] The newest resident of Smashville! Looking to destroy the competition while paying off Tom Nook's House Loan, the Villager is ready to move into the Smash roster! [spoiler=Villager's official Render] A rather peculiar choice, the Villager wields various items from his game including his net, shovel, and axe. He loves to pick up things and can collect items off the ground or enemy projectiles and fire them right back! For further pictures and gallery visit his official Smash 4 page: Villager's Profile [spoiler=Newcomer ???] The greatest creation of Dr. Light and defender of the year 20XX. The Blue Bomber, equipped with various Robot Master powers, is ready to represent Capcom! [spoiler=Megaman's official Render] Megaman seems to be a rather straightforward character. His standard attack is his basic mega buster shots. He also wields various Robot Master themed attacks including Metalman's Saw Blades, Woodman's Wood Shield, and Slashman's claws. Oh and Rush is here too! For further pictures and gallery visit his official Smash 4 page: Mega Man's Profile [spoiler=Newcomer ???] The Fitness Instructor of the Wii Fit series. Though she isn't a fighter, she uses her Yoga and Strength training to not only fight the competition, but also improve her overall health along the way! [spoiler=Wii Fit Trainer's official Render] Not much info has been given regarding any special character quirks. However much of her standard moves are based from the Yoga and Strength Training series of Wii Fit while her specials revolve around the minigames. For further pictures and gallery visit her official Smash 4 page: Wii Fit Trainer's Profile December 16th, 2013 [spoiler=Newcomer ???] Adoptive mother of the Lumas who protects the universe from the Cosmic Obervatory, Rosalina joins Smash as an all new Character! [spoiler=Rosalina's official Render] Rosalina appears to be able to summon Lumas to fight for her similar to how Olimar utilizes Pikmin to fight for him. Lumas of various colors have been seen in the trailer, but it is unknown if the colors change the properties of the Lumas or if it is purely an aesthetic difference. For further pictures and gallery visit her official Smash 4 page: Rosalina & Luma's Profile February 13th, 2014 [spoiler=Newcomer ???] Trained by the legendary Doc Louis in the art of boxing. The master of the Star Punch, Little Mac, finally joins in the fight to KO the competition! [spoiler=Little Mac's official Render] Little Mac appears to be a very grounded close quarters character with a massive array of quick and powerful jabs, but has poor aerial game and no projectiles. His standard "B" attack, if fully charged, can result in an instant "KO" if it connects. For further pictures and gallery visit his official Smash 4 page: Little Mac's Profile [spoiler=Stages] [spoiler=3DS Version] June 11th, 2013 Battlefield (3DS Version) Arena Ferox (Fire Emblem: Awakening) Gerudo Valley (Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D) Spirit Train (Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks) Reset Bomb Forest (Kid Icarus: Uprising) Living Room (Nintendogs) 3D Land (Super Mario 3D Land) Unknown Cave/Jungle Stage (Donkey Kong Country 3D?) December 2nd, 2013 Find Mii December 24th, 2013 Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 7) February 13th, 2014 Punch-Out!!! Boxing Ring March 6th, 2014 Tortimer's Island (Animal Crossing: New Leaf) March 10th, 2014 Prism Tower (Pokémon X & Y) April 8th, 2014 Balloon Fighter Jungle Japes (Melee Stage for Donkey Kong) Final Destination (All stages can become a Final Destination styled stage) [spoiler=Wii U Version] June 11th, 2013 Battlefield (Wii U Version) Dr. Wily's Castle (Megaman 2) Garden of Hope (Pikmin 3) Pyrosphere (Metroid: Other M) Skyloft (Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword) Wuhu Island (Pilotwings Resort) Animal Crossing Stage (Animal Crossing: City Folk) Wii Fit Studio (Wii Fitt) Punch-Out!!! Boxing Ring October 1st, 2013 Windy Hill (Sonic: Lost Worlds) November 15th, 2013 Mario Galaxy (Mario Galaxy) January 29th, 2014 Palutena's Temple (Kid Icarus) April 8th, 2014 Halberd (Brawl Stage for Kirby) Final Destination (All stages can become a Final Destination styled stage)

I'm gonna go by series here for top 3 songs from each I want to see. [From the series we know that are in smash 4 thus far and the ones I guess are in still] I may have missed some series.. I'll fix that later if I have :P Mario Zelda Metroid Kirby Fire Emblem Classic Megaman Kid Icarus Pokemon Star Fox Mother/Earthbound Donkey Kong Wario classic Nintendo stuff along with Pikmin, and Animal Crossing i'm unsure Sonic [fairly sure he is returning ;P] F-Zero [To be decided later] Metal Gear [to be decided later]