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FE 8 Balance patch I've just made
mangasdeouf posted a topic in Fan ProjectsHi, I've done a quick patch for TSS. This includes: - Bow range changes and longbow is a semi-siege weapon - Bows are not anti-air except short bow, renamed Anti-air Bow - Staff range changes - Weapon stats and price changes for better balance - Swords are called Blades and blades are replaced with knives/daggers with stats equivalent to javelin/short spear/spear for the sword line - Better class distinction without altering the way they work - Nerf to mounted units (caps and fliers get 6-7 movement instead of 7-8), most of them can't double the final boss except Eirika/Ephraim (late promo), max def/res nerfed too (+5 from unpromoted class with tweaks due to branched promotions - Great Knight 8 movement, paladin is more like silver knight (lance) while GK is gold knight (axe) - Seth's bases untouched but he falls off towards the end of midgame even at level 20 - Promo gains drastically improved (more like Fates promo bonuses, some are Awakening level like trainees into t1 and knight into general, although the base used is closer to Radiant Dawn t3 promo gains) - Trainees have 5 base move and usable bases (Ewan's bases untouched but he gains better stats on promo to make up for that) - Mage Knight is now a frontline class - Most units got base stats changes due to their class bases improving and some got personally buffed (pegasi mostly) - Lgd weapons give +3 instead of +5, bow gains str instead of luck, Vidofnir is now correctly between Audumla and Garm, Wt is similar to iron/E rank, no monster effectiveness - Naglfar weighs 6, so Lyon doesn't lose spd anymore - Spd capped general with Garm can still double endgame boss (from 19 spd with Garm's +3) - Enemy growths are more balanced, following their class theme (expect promoted enemies to be closer to Fates proportionally to the stat caps of TSS) - Monsters have better bases and follow the same growth pattern as humans (beware of fog maps) - Rogues have 7 movement since thieves have 6 - Everyone is usable, some units fall off (Seth, Forde is what the womanizer cav from FE6 should have been, Garcia but he has a longer lifespan) - Changed the dragonstone a little, now Myrrh is better for the time it lasts - Soldier is now more like Radiant Dawn soldiers, bases and growths (don't put weaklings in their range) - Formortiis has -5 def/res since you don't have effective weapons anymore (except...TA-DAAA! Myrrh's dragonstone! And now she can even double him) - Try different promotions, mounted promotions give less stats than unmounted to classes that don't have a mount in t1, making up for the advantage in mobility and they fall off anyway Link for download (patch US clean ROM with an UPS patcher): https://www.dropbox.com/s/20snosffcvdbek6/FE8%20simple%20patch_full%20balance%20patch.ups?dl=0
FE8 mod: archers are finally useful
mangasdeouf posted a topic in Fan ProjectsHi, Aside from classic changes like rebalancing stat caps to avoid heroes being so outclassed by warriors in nearly anything except for res, switching mage knights to actual dark knights (caps-wise) and giving real promotions gains to fit the class the unit goes in (depending on the units getting the classes themselves, like female wyvern knights giving more strength and speed while falco knights give more def and res because falco knights are more like anti-mage and balanced flying bruisers with little damage while wyvern knights are fast killers), I completely changed the way archers work. And bows in general. + kinghts and general have normal movement (5 and 6) and GK/MK 7 movement and Rangers 8 movement (Valkyrie and Troubadour also aligned on cavalier/paladin move). Iron bow: 10 MT, 75 Acc, 2-7 range, 25 Wgt, +15 luck. weapon exp 10 (like every iron weapon, I'm not patient with weapon level grinding so you just put the iron weapon of your choice and rush S rank) Steel bow: 13 MT, 65 Acc, 2-7 range, 25 Wgt, +15 luck. Silver bow: 16 MT, 70 Acc, 2-7 range, 25 Wgt, +15 luck. Poison bow: unchanged MT, unchanged Acc, 2-7 range, 25 Wgt, +15 luck. Killer bow: 12 MT, 60 Acc, 2-5 range, 25 Wgt, +15 luck. Hero bow: 6 MT, 60 Acc?, 2-5 range, 25 Wgt, +15 luck. Short bow: 6 MT, unchanged Acc, 1 range, unchanged Wgt. Long bow: unchanged MT, unchanged Acc, 3-10 range, 25 Wgt. The goal is to force the player to be cautious with ennemy archers, while being able to do something with his/her own archers. So archers can't double anyone with normal bows, like real life archers can't shoot arrows in chain, but instead arrows hit harder and archers have realistic range. They can hardly ORKO but I changed the classes power value to minimum to maximize exp gain (Neimi at base level gains like 33 exp in her joining chapter for chipping one starting point fighter instead of 30-ish for killing an unit). Thieves, trainees and generals/knights also have the highest exp gain (like any non fighter/tank not getting to ORKO most of the time/bishop) because hey they don't usually kill stuff in one round. Don't worry I've adjusted ennemies' growths to give them normal growths (be it promoted or not) so they actually have normal stats instead of lagging everywhere (even luck growth is normal). Yes it means axe wielders hit hard, have more def and luck, yes it means knights and generals will have a real def stat like in RD where even overlevelled rogues/spies hit for 10 damage max on inferior tier knights/generals with steel weapons and that flyers will have normal stats (25% def instead of 15% for pegasi, 45% instead of 30-ish for wyvern riders/lords, etc.). Your units, like in RD, are more likely to cap stats, and def/luck and even for some speed bases are higher because bows reach further and units need to be able to survive a bit more than they had to originally. Still Vanessa will probably be OS by early iron bow archers even at 7 base def (17 HP against 3 strength + 10 MT bows>33 damage). Tana comes with bright lance 9 MT 80 Acc 10 Crit 0 Wgt +5 def unbreakable (like naginata guard) so you can train her from the get go and even pass down the lance to Amelia to get her to a decent level without dying instantly to a soldier. Yes Tana has BL in the cell in Ephraim's route (anyway if you don't want to screw the chapter you're more or less forced to let her in until your team can take care of the reinforcements and the killer sword myrmidon). Innes comes with the beacon bow: 16 Mt, 2-7 range, 80 Acc?, 10 Crit, +15 luck, unbreakable. Syrene comes with the Shadow killer (sword): 3 MT, 1 range, hero weapon, negates flying effectiveness (maybe 10 crit). Screw archers this girl is Frelia's pegasi captain or commander (and she needs it even with buffed bases). Every late joining unit has increased bases and growths are closer to 50% (75% def for Gilliam, he's your only 100% knight and will tank waves for you since I'm gonna buff ennemies' weaponry to silver earlier in the game if I have the courage). Joshua has 9 def because he's joining before chapter 6 where there are a lot of ennemies and even reinforcements in hard (SPOILER: cavaliers coming from behind the starting point). Marisa comes with class base HP +10, str def res +5 and good skl/spd/lck so she is still relevant. And she grows more res (40%) and more spd (75%) than Joshua who will still cap speed but slower. I don't know if I can share my file because .nmm files don't want to get transferred so if anyone can teach me I could share my project once I've tested it further (actually at chapter 5 not started yet after I restarted a game because I just added the archers new mechanics to my previous mod having less changes). Anyway I put some data on this post so you guys can do the same thing with your own game (it shouldn't take more than 5 hours to get everything done). Reginleif and Rapier are unbreakable and I think I'm gonna test the magic damage option for the rapier (but if it works normally then I'll suppress the effectiveness against armors and cavalry because MAGIC DAMAGE!). I put it on the 1st post so people will see it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gf3rq3tmjhxr4d1/FE8 rebalanced and realistic bows.ips?dl=0 And now the mod but with Radiant Dawn-like base stats. Be careful, +5 to every base stat for almost any class (except move and cons): https://www.dropbox.com/s/y6gdp5sgdts3c82/FE8 rebalanced bows with Radiant Dawn-like base stats.ips?dl=0 For the last mod: The Radiant Dawn-like base stats has some differences in gameplay: 1. You will be more likely to cap stats (not all of them for most units but a few of them) like in FE10. Units are quite specialized (except a few all-rounders like Forde but still he's the mage killer among cavaliers) and some are really performing better in certain classes than in others. 2. You will reach stat caps faster: it means you will be strong for a few chapters but then when the ennemies catch up you will have to wait for promotion to keep the advantage. 3. Archers are DANGEROUS, be careful of their position, their 7 range (or 5 with hero/killer bow) and their damage output (even with 16 def Gilliam took 3 damage from chapter 5 archer close to the middle-left house so I couldn't tell you less than being careful especially with your magic units who don't take physical hits very well). 4. Speed cap in tier 1 stays 20 for everyone. It means dodgetanks don't last forever so real tanks stay relevant. 5. I gave max exp to any class locked with 1 range weapons for a good part of the game. 6. When you'll promote some units you will feel powerful. But don't forget ennemy promoted units also have +5 in every stat and better growths than in vanilla. You won't have a 15 stat points lead on them at all I suppose (18 base def generals with 75% def growth will wait for you ;-P and already promoted units have 20 levels of growth rates applied to their stats if I understood correctly so level 1 generals should have...let's say 30 def cuz it's impossible to go higher ^^). 7. Look at your units stats. Most often they reflect their strengths and weak points at base (except pegasi but you can guess? Vanessa is the classic pegasus with better growths, Tana is the glass cannon and Syrene the physical tank if I recall correctly). 8. Bosses also benefit from class base stats increases. Some of them will be violent, don't rush too fast and look at their stats (for example Tirado HAHA this guy is gonna be a challenge for your units even recently promoted with huge promotion gains). 9. Arthur and Lute are quite similar, he is faster overall and more accurate while she's more powerful and tanks more physical hits. I'd suggest to promote Arthur with the 1st guiding ring since you want a well-trained foot bishop/sage for chapter 15, wherever you chose to go for the split. Lute's stats and growths would be well completed with a dark knight (sorry, mage knight) promotion because she's more fit for normal combat while Arthur is better as an occasional monster killer and healer (don't forget to give him S light before staff abusing or you'll be sad). 10. Dozla is perfectly usable, no need to train a Ross for berserker. Ross is certainly better as a hero. Same for Rennac he's good for his job so you can do whatever you want with Colm, or even let him untrained if you want only one thief in the long run. Just let him out of archers' range. 11. L'Arachel and Natasha are able to use light magic in their 1st class so their low level isn't too problematic but it's not needed to use them in combat (and they can't kill much stuff anyway, maybe chip some ennemies who can't counterattack) but Moulder the boulder doesn't need it since he's here from chapter 2 and healing staves cost really close to naught. Plus he can abuse torch in chapter 6. 12. Don't hesitate to give an early promotion if you need some immediate boost (promotion gains are huge) since growths will let most units cap what they should cap even with a level 10 promotion (just the secondary stats will be quite lower). And HP is the real deal for endgame I guess, since ennemies will be very powerful without their numbers changing (I think chapter 20 is gonna be torture hehehe...). 13. Even grinding probably won't help too much since I've finished the vanilla game a few times and the end game was still dangerous if I got RNG screwed on avoids, and in this game the ennemies will have more accuracy and damage (and def and res and HP). I didn't boost dragon zombies' stats except a bit of speed and a little def/res but hey, LEGENDARY WEAPONS have been rebalanced. 14. I highly suggest you raise as many units as possible from the beginning. Vanessa can be promoted early to deal with pirates on Eirika's route in chapter 9 since anyway she's the worst pegasus and sucks exp from better units (even if the exp curve is easier to deal with, not mentionning FE6's horrible exp gains). Archers don't need the exp from kills since they get enough from chip damage (and no speed is helping with not ORKOing stuff). Meanwhile mages with the same exp curve need as many kills as possible from the moment they join or the ennemies (especially their numbers) will quickly put them in danger if they're not high level enough. You should make them able to tank 3 physical hits as soon as possible (in chapter 5 the 2 archers in the left are very close from one another so if you make a mistake you can get 2HKOed). 15. Chapter 7 and 8 promotion items have beenreplaced with master seals (2 uses). You can pre-promote Vanessa, Moulder, any unit with medium growths (like Garcia) to deal with mid-game and then train your better growth units to promote them at 20/20. 16. I'm testing this mod in normal (my Natasha could tank the 2 bandits coming from Joshua's right with 1 HP left in normal mode, don't expect the same in HM). I'll test it later on hard but seeing how people can complete Awakening Lunatic + resetless I suppose the mod is absolutely doable on HM. 17. Don't get too happy of Seth's bases, my Franz overcame them before level 10 cavalier (during chapter 5). But he should be usable the same way old FE Jagens were, falling off mid-game without good growths. Good luck (with RNG) and have fun!
Whatever happened to the usefulness of archers?
JamesBCrazy posted a topic in General Fire EmblemWhy do all the archers suck now? This isn't like FE6 where everyone sucked. There is no excuse.
Archers in Warriors games
Jedi posted a topic in Fire Emblem WarriorsBecause so many people ask me this question in relation to FE:W. I decided to record an example of Bianca in DQH. Note this is my first time using her so I likely didn't do anything optimally and I didn't realize the charge stuff till the end. Nor did I show off Rain of Pain oops. I will do videos on how Sun Shang Xiang in DW6 works, as well as Samurai Warriors Ina, if people want to see their styles (SSX focuses on spreadshots and kicks, while Ina uses a bladed bow so she kinda uses it like a weird bo staff with arrows every now and again). Theres also Linkle for those who played Hyrule Warriors.
Archers Probably my most blessed Wolt to date...
SirLancelot posted a topic in Fire Emblem: Binding BladeSo, upon re-playing through FE6 purely for the fact that I have never completed it. I decided that I would use Wolt because I had liked him when I was younger ( I loved any sort of archer archetype). He ended up fairly strong and is probably a contender for one of my strongest units. I believe he is blessed in literally every stat, and I have not used any boosting items at all.
screenshot Archer Emblem 8
Eclipsd posted a topic in Let's Play/StreamsEveryone says archers are bad. I would agree with them. So, lets play FE8 with possibly the worst class in the game! [spoiler=Rules] Difficult mode because FE8 has the tower of grinding You get to decide which route I take (Please not Ephraim...) I'm doing Ephraim's route because the people have spoken. Only the twins (Eirika and Ephraim) and bow using classes may be used. Moulder, Natasha, Tethys, and Colm may be used. Any class that is not naturally bow locked (Warriors, Rangers, etc.) Can only use bows. The poll decided I get to not have this be a thing! I can only use archers. Savestates will be used. Tower and Arena abuse is a thing. Now that that's sorted, let's start this thing! [spoiler=Prologue] As said before, I'm playing Difficult mode. Plot. Nothing's changed here. Gimme that sword and get the hell out of dodge. Today is the day a little girl will face multiple grown men in fisticuffs and emerge victorious. As seen here (Yes that was a crit. On my first attack. Luck seems to be with this run.) Now to get the boss off that forest of his. TACTICS! Prologue Bosses: Getting beaten by little girls since FE7. Now that's how you don't get a 4-Stat Level Up, folks. Prologue is as easy as ever. See you next time on LITTLE GIRL SOLO: THE RUN ARCHER EMBLEM!
Making archers better
cyron posted a topic in Fire Emblem: AwakeningIn Fire Emblem archers are notorious for being hard to use and ineffective, due to lack off an enemy phase causing them to not make as many kills, deal as much damage and fall behind in terms of experience. Short off 1 range bows what do you think could have been done to make archers more effective in awakening. For me I think that if the archer tree simply had some different skills it would be far more effective. For the archer class itself if instead of skill plus 2 archers received veteran (or paragon) it would help them keep up in terms off experience, and in place of their level 10 skill they received dual strike plus (there natural skill got them extra avoid on the player phase thats useless since the point of being an archer is to not be countered on the player phase) allowing them to be more effective pair up partners, and would let them deal damage and gain experience on the enemy phase. Snipers, would also have been the sensible choice for gale force in place of dark fliers since it would have allowed them to make up for their poor enemy phase by making more kills in the player phase (Plus bows are the most accurate weapon type having extra hit is worthless(it would replace hit plus 20 not bow faire to be clear). This also would have balanced gale force because it would have been more of a hassle to obtain so in a no grind run it would be likely that only Virion could obtain it. For bow knights, I think that if they had a skill that automatically shifted from bows to sword and swords to bows to counter on the enemy phase it would make it practical to use bows, or at least carry them, it would also make up for the lack of common 1-2 range swords)
Why is Leo so bad?
Phantom037 posted a topic in Fire Emblem: Radiant DawnNow, I haven't actually played RD yet, (but I really want to) so out of pure curiosity I compared the growth rates of Leonardo with the other archers, Shinon and Rolf. And I really don't get all the hate Leo gets, he came in at least second in every stat except speed. I realize this is a big issue, but since he has much more levels to grow than the other two, he'll end up with only (roughly) 3 less speed than Shinon by the time he reaches the same level, and his other stats will probably be on par or greater. So, with the exception of being on the Dawn Brigade, is there anything terribly wrong with Leo because I don't see why he gets all the hate.