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The first Fates LA game after a lengthy break from like March or smth. Rule set: - Parents maximum stats with friendship seals allowed (neglected by Quint 'cause he's a chump) - Skill bans: Counter, Lethality, Dragon Ward, Life or Death, Spendthrift does nothing - No forging - Only storebought equipment and non-Yato Prfs allowed Carmine's team: vs. Quintessence's team! Stats: Carmine HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res acc avo crt cevo Swordmaster!Xander 55 32 27 31 34 35 28 29 64 78 23 17 Berserker!Charlotte 70 43 25 32 35 25 25 23 60 65 34 7 Sniper!Effie 55 34 25 34 34 30 30 27 76 66 25 15 Spear Master!Hinoka 60 35 24 32 32 29 29 31 62 62 24 24 Master Ninja!Saizo 55 28 25 38 33 28 27 32 76 68 22 19 Quint HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res acc avo crt cevo Kinshi Knight!Azura 50 27 26 34 34 34 22 31 68 68 15 17 Strategist!Elise 45 24 36 26 32 34 22 33 56 65 11 17 Paladin!Xander 60 33 25 29 29 34 33 30 60 60 12 17 Wyvern Lord!Camilla 60 34 24 34 30 26 36 26 64 58 15 13 Sorcerer!Leo 50 23 37 26 27 26 29 35 57 53 21 18 I didn't double-check the stats given to me (had to calc Carmine's acc/avo/crt/cev on my own though) so you guys feel free to check everything before you begin. (86) The RNG has decided that Quint gets to act first! Choose your character, his/her weapon and target!

Welcome to the first game of Fates Link Arena! Nintales and GeneralHorace FIGHT IT OUT with Birthright and Conquest teams respectively! Rule set: - Parents maximum stats - Skill bans: Counter, Lethality, Dragon Ward, Life or Death, multiple Amaterasu - No forging - Master/Heart Seal reclasses only - Storebought equipment of the respective path only - No Yato - No 0g weaponry (Royal Prfs okay) Nin's team vs. Horace's team! Stats: Nintales HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res acc avo crt cevo Wyvern Lord!Camilla 60 34 24 34 30 26 36 26 64 58 15 13 Sorcerer!Niles 50 23 35 25 32 26 29 34 55 61 20 18 Master Ninja!Kaze 55 25 25 37 38 26 25 34 73 75 21 18 Berserker!Charlotte 70 43 25 32 35 25 25 23 60 65 34 7 Sniper!Light 55 30 24 37 37 29 31 28 80 70 26 14 Horace HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res acc avo crt cevo Spear Master!Oboro 60 35 24 34 33 28 31 28 65 63 25 24 General!Corn 70 38 25 31 22 33 44 32 63 49 13 16 Master of Arms!Ryoma 65 34 25 32 31 32 29 26 64 62 14 16 Swordmaster!Hinata 55 31 28 31 33 33 29 31 63 76 23 16 Merchant!Azama 65 35 22 29 29 32 34 30 59 59 12 16 (0) Nin acts first! Choose your character, his/her weapon and target!

We keep having these discussion interrupt all other threads and games underway, so it made sense to create a separate topic to really get to the truth together and not take up space elsewhere. A year ago we had this FE9 thread where I provided a bunch of write-ups, which was quite useful because it allowed newcomers and observers to easily join in with viable and often quite creative teams, and the result of that was this neat event. An Awakening metagame, to me, looks really promising, with much more options and customisation (quite excessive if we delve into the 2nd Gen meta), more interesting weapon choices, and a much smaller difference between proficient classes and weak ones. A lot of information pertinent to this thread/discussion can be found in the Resource Topic, namely the second post, so refer to it whenever necessary. This thread will serve three purposes (for now): - tiering promoted FE13 classes - tiering all playable parents / 1st Gen units - comparing units with access to the same (viable) classes to each other The first two parts will just be a raw draft for now, and should undergo a substantial transformation when we really get out teeth into it theoryFEing. I'll be updating the third part by degrees, most likely, and learning which units are the best should help us decide what classes to focus on there. The rules we have employed for our Link Battles so far are as follows: RobinM/RobinF freely customisable for asset/flaw and skillset Max Stats Aggressor, Counter and Lethality are banned Bond restricted to one instance per team (to prevent excessive recovery on all-female teams) No equipment restrictions, but Brave Weaponry cannot be forged (Waste/Celice's Gale included) No Supports structured, PairUp and Dual [Atk/Grd] not accounted for (the metagame is apparently sufficiently complicated even without supports) Posted teams will not reflect augmented stats via weaponry or skills (i.e. Swordfaire will not be visible on a unit's stat sheet, nor will Speed+2 or Balmung's boost to the same stat). So without further ado... Class Tier List S Tier Sorcerer Assassin A Tier Bride Berserker Hero Conqueror Dread Fighter Great Lord (M) General B Tier Warrior Swordmaster Dark Knight Grandmaster Sage C Tier Great Knight Wyvern Lord Valkyrie Bow Knight Paladin Trickster War Monk/Cleric D Tier Sniper Griffon Rider Dark Flier Manakete Falcon Knight Taguel ! This list doesn't take into account class skills, since all units have three class sets that they draw theirs from, and so Sage Lissa and Sage Kellam will be totally different characters with totally different skill sets (and mods). It also seems pointless to credit, say, Sniper for Hit Rate+20 or the Wyvern Rider classes for the two breaker abilities when these will be used by other classes and you won't really want to actually reclass into one of the classes themselves. At the same time, the Conqueror class can't really be separated from the Conquest skill that it really wants in order to function well. It's basically the same kind of confusion we'd find ourselves in if we decided to tier Final Fantasy Tactics classes, so this tier list is less precise and to-the-point than the one below, yet still deserving of some improvement and thought. ! The tier list is currently envisaged for the 1st Gen / parents meta, and may not apply to a 2nd Gen context (which seems a bit overwhelming to tier at this point). This is why Great Lord (F), Lucina's exclusive class, is not on the list for example. Character Tier List S Tier RobinF RobinM A Tier Cordelia Flavia Priam Yen'fay Gangrel Aversa Tharja Chrom B Tier Sumia Henry Miriel Sully Stahl Walhart C Tier Libra Gregor Say'ri Basilio Lon'qu Gaius Olivia Panne Kellam Vaike Frederick D Tier Ricken Emmeryn Lissa Virion Maribelle Donnel Cherche Nowi/Tiki Anna This tier list doesn't necessarily take into account all class options the unit has at their disposal, since sometimes secondary class sets provide very useful skills but you wouldn't really consider reclassing into them (see Yen'fay and his Archer/Wyvern Rider class sets as a perfect example of this). Of course, it does help when the unit has several sorts of utility, like Gangrel/Henry being viable as both Sorcs and anti-Sorc Berserkers with Tomebreaker. Robin has all the class options you may need, and even though sometimes you just can't get a perfect mod combo out of all the possible asset/flaw variations (having a lot of both strength and speed for example), there doesn't need to be an explanation why he's as good as he is. Overall, it's a difficult list to manage because of how different a lot of the characters are, but some discussion could help re-organise units accordingly and help us make more sense of this. I also wanted to compare different units who have access to the same class in this topic. I thought we'd start with Sorcerer and then look at our Assassins. Some advice would be nice here, too. 3. Character Comparisons (click on the picture to follow the link):

RobinM and RobinF mutually exclusive Max Stats Aggressor, Counter and Lethality are banned Bond restricted to one instance per team No equipment restrictions, but Brave Weaponry cannot be forged (Waste/Celice's Gale included) No Supports structured, PairUp and Dual [Atk/Grd] not accounted for Posted teams will not reflect augmented stats via weaponry or skills Jedi's team vs. Elieson's team! Stats: Jedi HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res acc avo crt Sorcerer!Miriel 80 28 47 39 41 45 39 44 81 84 19 Assassin!Sayri 80 41 29 49 47 44 31 31 95 92 24 Hero!Cordelia 80 43 29 48 44 44 40 35 94 88 24 Berserker!Bersercar 80 49 29 37 48 44 34 30 77 94 18 Great Lord!Chrom 80 44 30 41 42 46 41 39 84 86 20 Elieson General!Thwompette 80 50 30 40 32 46 54 37 83 71 20 Great Lord!Chrom 80 44 30 41 42 46 41 39 84 86 20 Sorcerer!Aversa 80 29 47 39 41 43 41 44 80 83 19 Assassin!Priam 80 43 28 49 46 45 33 28 96 91 24 Assassin!Flavia 80 41 29 50 47 45 30 30 97 93 24 RNG: (88) Sieg heil, so Elieson acts first! Choose your character, his/her weapon and target!

FEfan1113(0) Berserker. Wyvern Knight Valkyrie. Pupil. Great Lord vs Berserker. General. Warrior. Ranger. Pupil. Anon(1) Random.org gives me a 1 so it looks as if Anon will go first. [spoiler=stats] Unit HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res acc avo crt FEfan1113 Berserker 60 30 29 28 30 23 21 73 86 29 Wyvern Knight (F) 60 24 27 29 30 24 22 69 88 13 Valkyrie 60 25 24 25 30 24 28 63 80 12 Pupil 60 29 28 27 30 21 26 71 84 14 Eirika 60 24 29 30 30 22 25 73 90 14 Anon Berserker 60 30 29 28 30 23 21 73 86 29 General (F) 60 27 28 25 30 29 26 71 80 14 Warrior 60 30 28 26 30 26 22 71 82 14 Ranger (F) 60 23 28 30 30 22 25 71 90 14 Pupil 60 29 28 27 30 21 26 71 84 14