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  1. 1. Best Sword Master/Forrest in generation 1

    • Aira
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    • Holyn
      3
  2. 2. Best Sword master/Forrest in generation 2

    • Shanan
      12
    • Lakche
      24
    • Skasaha
      1


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I was looking at level 20.

I dont remeber who

you should not judge by final stats, becuase they are rarely reached without abuse

And in first gen, 20 def is enough to basically make you physically invurnable. (lex)

so having 10 def is not going to be that much of a disadvantage under 13.

I already saw the averages.

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you should not judge by final stats, becuase they are rarely reached without abuse

In FE4 ranked, you will be reaching level 30. Arena + Elite Ring, etc.

20 atk 3HKOs Ayra and 5HKOs Holyn. Do you think having 4 more avo outweighs that, with a 1-RN system?

15 atk 6HKOs Ayra and 10HKOs Holyn. Who would you rather be?

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In FE4 ranked, you will be reaching level 30. Arena + Elite Ring, etc.

ahem..favortism...

and what chapter do you get that elite ring? chapter 2, and if you have gotten holyn, he will be too weak and or poor

to get it.

Ira has a better chance for that.

Arena really does not account for that much EXP. Even so, you will not get to 30 until chapter 3

(very generous)

Ira has hero sword and can actually kill. you really would not let someone have 6 shots before healing. Assuming they ALL hit.

depending on what enemy it is- if they are lancers, then should should have used another unit to defend.

A sword unit might have 60% hit.

The chance of all of them hitting are 10% could, but not likely. That is probably 0% with axe users.

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ahem..favortism...

and what chapter do you get that elite ring? chapter 2, and if you have gotten holyn, he will be too weak and or poor

to get it.

Ira has a better chance for that.

Arena really does not account for that much EXP. Even so, you will not get to 30 until chapter 3

It's not favoritism since everyone is getting the Elite Ring.

Ayra, Holyn, etc. all are trying their best to get it.

And also, it seems you can't figure out what is favoritism and what is not.

Ira has hero sword and can actually kill. you really would not let someone have 6 shots before healing. Assuming they ALL hit.

depending on what enemy it is- if they are lancers, then should should have used another unit to defend.

A sword unit might have 60% hit.

The chance of all of them hitting are 10% could, but not likely. That is probably 0% with axe users.

This doesn't make any sense at all.

And also when I said very generous it meant chapter 2 - not when Ayra has the Hero Sword.

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It's not favoritism since everyone is getting the Elite Ring.

Ayra, Holyn, etc. all are trying their best to get it.

And also, it seems you can't figure out what is favoritism and what is not.

How is everyone getting the elite ring? it is 40,000$! even if you have bargain that is pricy.

Holyn is too poor/weak to get it, so that 10+ level lead is becoming wider.

You are the one who has always confused me on the favortism.

(Spending all your time with holyn to get him the elite ring from voltz who can kill him at his starting stats is favortism like it or not)

This doesn't make any sense at all.

And also when I said very generous it meant chapter 2 - not when Ayra has the Hero Sword.

Sorry, basically, Ira unlikely to get hit 6 times in a row by a sword users, and impossible to be hit 6 times against an ax user.

Therefore, unless you neglect to heal her, the extra durability dosent matter much.

Hero sword- true, but by the time holyn shows, she might have a better weapon.

She can still one round most units with the iron blade.

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and what chapter do you get that elite ring? chapter 2, and if you have gotten holyn, he will be too weak and or poor

to get it.

I believe the Elite Ring is dropped by the Forrest Knight in Chapter 2. You know, the one that comes after you capture the first castle with a big bunch of Free Knights and Beowulf.

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How is everyone getting the elite ring? it is 40,000$! even if you have bargain that is pricy.

This game hands out a lot of gold.

Holyn is too poor/weak to get it, so that 10+ level lead is becoming wider.

Great logic when Aira is weaker than Holyn.

(Spending all your time with holyn to get him the elite ring from voltz who can kill him at his starting stats is favortism like it or not)

That's not what he said.

Sorry, basically, Ira unlikely to get hit 6 times in a row by a sword users, and impossible to be hit 6 times against an ax user. Therefore, unless you neglect to heal her, the extra durability dosent matter much.

You conveniently ignore that Aira is still 3HKO'd by 20 MT while Holyn is 5HKO'd. And the 3HKO scenario is very possible.

Hero sword- true, but by the time holyn shows, she might have a better weapon.

Holyn shows up before Aira's lover gives her the Hero Sword.

She can still one round most units with the iron blade.

No, she can't.

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How is everyone getting the elite ring? it is 40,000$! even if you have bargain that is pricy.

This game hands out a lot of gold.

When? maybe Deu who is weal can gather several thousand, certainly not 40000 by half a chapter.

Holyn is too poor/weak to get it, so that 10+ level lead is becoming wider.

Great logic when Aira is weaker than Holyn.

Ira has something called a level lead. (5-10) Her stats are now better than Holyn are. Comprehend?

(Spending all your time with holyn to get him the elite ring from voltz who can kill him at his starting stats is favortism like it or not)

That's not what he said.

The how else is Holyn going to get the elite ring?

Sorry, basically, Ira unlikely to get hit 6 times in a row by a sword users, and impossible to be hit 6 times against an ax user. Therefore, unless you neglect to heal her, the extra durability dosent matter much.

You conveniently ignore that Aira is still 3HKO'd by 20 MT while Holyn is 5HKO'd. And the 3HKO scenario is very possible.

After they reach level 20. But right now, they are about equal in terms of HP and DEF. So training Holyn is just the same as Ira.

Hero sword- true, but by the time holyn shows, she might have a better weapon.

Holyn shows up before Aira's lover gives her the Hero Sword.

The last step to Ira becoming completly > than Holyn. She can gat a more acurate steel or even silver until then.

Why does holyn have? SAME THING! iron blade as well.

She can still one round most units with the iron blade.

No, she can't.

You are not really saying anything, just denying. Starstrike. then you will say that dosent activate reliablly. Neither does Holyns moonlight, which does not effectivly kill as much anyway. Where is your reasoning that holyn is killing any better?

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..it's not 5 HP and 3 def. Holyn has a HUUUEG lead over Ayra, and it's 10 HP and 4 def if they're both 30. But Holyn gets there first.

And even if it was that small, so what? 5 HP and 3 def>Nothing. Ayra has absolutely NOTHING to counter this. Don't even say Astra. All Astra does is overkill. Don't say avoid, either. Hers is barely any better than Holyn's, also lol 1 RN. Out of defenses for her, yet?

Ira has something called a level lead. (5-10)

...Ayra getting 9 levels on Holyn in a quarter of a chapter, not factoring in Holyn's arena time?

lmfao?

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..it's not 5 HP and 3 def. Holyn has a HUUUEG lead over Ayra, and it's 10 HP and 4 def if they're both 30. But Holyn gets there first.

I was being generous.

...Ayra getting 9 levels on Holyn in a quarter of a chapter, not factoring in Holyn's arena time?

Don't bother arguing with them. They are thinking extremely illogically and they can't back up any of their points.

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Oooh, ooh! Let's NOT be generous!

8 Ayra: 35 HP, 12 str, 18 skl, 18 spd, 8 def, 1 res, 4 lck

14 Holyn: 42 HP, 15 str, 19 skl, 18 spd, 12 def, 1 res, 1 lck

alololololololololololol

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I got a better idea: Read the topic title.

Best Sword Master/Forrest in FE4

Will people use Ayra? Of course. Is she all she's cracked up to be? Not really. Is she as good as Holyn, the entire point of this topic? No.

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When? maybe Deu who is weal can gather several thousand, certainly not 40000 by half a chapter.

You get 20k back per pass of the Elite Ring, anyway. Arenas, villages, etc.

Ira has something called a level lead. (5-10) Her stats are now better than Holyn are. Comprehend?

Aira has a level lead and a stat disadvantage. Comprehend?

The how else is Holyn going to get the elite ring?

He... buys it?

After they reach level 20. But right now, they are about equal in terms of HP and DEF. So training Holyn is just the same as Ira.

First, that was not a level 20 comparison; second, Holyn absolutely beats Aira in HP/def even if Aira has a level lead, so your claim is totally false; third, 3 def is very significant. If you've played FE7 HHM without RNG abusing before, you'd realize that 2 or even 1 def is very significant in early to midgame.

The last step to Ira becoming completly > than Holyn. She can gat a more acurate steel or even silver until then.

Holyn can buy the Hero Sword from Aira. Aira doesn't have claim to the Hero Sword (don't try any of this "but Holyn has to buy it" crap either because Holyn definitely has the means to buy it). Holyn can get a better sword than Aira too, so I don't know what you're getting at.

You are not really saying anything, just denying. Starstrike. then you will say that dosent activate reliablly. Neither does Holyns moonlight, which does not effectivly kill as much anyway. Where is your reasoning that holyn is killing any better?

No, I'm saying that Aira doesn't 1-round reliably. I never said that Holyn was killing any better (he puts stuff in KO range better than Aira with his str lead); the main reason why Holyn is better than Aira is because he wins in durability. His offensive lead is just a bonus.

I should probably forego the quote tags.

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Quick question.

How is Ayra completing the Arena AND catching up to the likes of Cuan, Sigurd, Lex, and even Alec, Noish, and Fin in Chapter 1 before they completly annihilate the opposing armies?

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Quick question.

How is Ayra completing the Arena AND catching up to the likes of Cuan, Sigurd, Lex, and even Alec, Noish, and Fin in Chapter 1 before they completly annihilate the opposing armies?

Boss abuse Gandolf with iron/broken sword.

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FYI Holyn can kill Voltz just fine. In fact, he's one of the best people for it, since the Free Knights don't do shit to him (meaning that even if Voltz triggers Continue he's okay) and he can one-round them all or weaken them with an Iron Sword for retards.

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