Seph Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 http://fea.fewiki.net/fea.php?character=aira&game=4 http://fea.fewiki.net/fea.php?character=holyn&game=4 If Ayra is level 10 (very generous) when Holyn comes in, Holyn has 4 more HP and 3 more def, which is pretty damn important. At level 30, Holyn has 9 more HP than Ayra, and 4 more def. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) I was looking at level 20. I dont remeber who you should not judge by final stats, becuase they are rarely reached without abuse And in first gen, 20 def is enough to basically make you physically invurnable. (lex) so having 10 def is not going to be that much of a disadvantage under 13. I already saw the averages. Edited January 29, 2009 by The Gambit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seph Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 you should not judge by final stats, becuase they are rarely reached without abuse In FE4 ranked, you will be reaching level 30. Arena + Elite Ring, etc. 20 atk 3HKOs Ayra and 5HKOs Holyn. Do you think having 4 more avo outweighs that, with a 1-RN system?15 atk 6HKOs Ayra and 10HKOs Holyn. Who would you rather be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 In FE4 ranked, you will be reaching level 30. Arena + Elite Ring, etc. ahem..favortism... and what chapter do you get that elite ring? chapter 2, and if you have gotten holyn, he will be too weak and or poor to get it. Ira has a better chance for that. Arena really does not account for that much EXP. Even so, you will not get to 30 until chapter 3 (very generous) Ira has hero sword and can actually kill. you really would not let someone have 6 shots before healing. Assuming they ALL hit. depending on what enemy it is- if they are lancers, then should should have used another unit to defend. A sword unit might have 60% hit. The chance of all of them hitting are 10% could, but not likely. That is probably 0% with axe users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seph Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 ahem..favortism...and what chapter do you get that elite ring? chapter 2, and if you have gotten holyn, he will be too weak and or poor to get it. Ira has a better chance for that. Arena really does not account for that much EXP. Even so, you will not get to 30 until chapter 3 It's not favoritism since everyone is getting the Elite Ring. Ayra, Holyn, etc. all are trying their best to get it. And also, it seems you can't figure out what is favoritism and what is not. Ira has hero sword and can actually kill. you really would not let someone have 6 shots before healing. Assuming they ALL hit.depending on what enemy it is- if they are lancers, then should should have used another unit to defend. A sword unit might have 60% hit. The chance of all of them hitting are 10% could, but not likely. That is probably 0% with axe users. This doesn't make any sense at all. And also when I said very generous it meant chapter 2 - not when Ayra has the Hero Sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 It's not favoritism since everyone is getting the Elite Ring.Ayra, Holyn, etc. all are trying their best to get it. And also, it seems you can't figure out what is favoritism and what is not. How is everyone getting the elite ring? it is 40,000$! even if you have bargain that is pricy. Holyn is too poor/weak to get it, so that 10+ level lead is becoming wider. You are the one who has always confused me on the favortism. (Spending all your time with holyn to get him the elite ring from voltz who can kill him at his starting stats is favortism like it or not) This doesn't make any sense at all.And also when I said very generous it meant chapter 2 - not when Ayra has the Hero Sword. Sorry, basically, Ira unlikely to get hit 6 times in a row by a sword users, and impossible to be hit 6 times against an ax user. Therefore, unless you neglect to heal her, the extra durability dosent matter much. Hero sword- true, but by the time holyn shows, she might have a better weapon. She can still one round most units with the iron blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriemhild Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 and what chapter do you get that elite ring? chapter 2, and if you have gotten holyn, he will be too weak and or poorto get it. I believe the Elite Ring is dropped by the Forrest Knight in Chapter 2. You know, the one that comes after you capture the first castle with a big bunch of Free Knights and Beowulf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yup, thats voltz, commander of Beo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 How is everyone getting the elite ring? it is 40,000$! even if you have bargain that is pricy.This game hands out a lot of gold. Holyn is too poor/weak to get it, so that 10+ level lead is becoming wider. Great logic when Aira is weaker than Holyn. (Spending all your time with holyn to get him the elite ring from voltz who can kill him at his starting stats is favortism like it or not) That's not what he said. Sorry, basically, Ira unlikely to get hit 6 times in a row by a sword users, and impossible to be hit 6 times against an ax user. Therefore, unless you neglect to heal her, the extra durability dosent matter much. You conveniently ignore that Aira is still 3HKO'd by 20 MT while Holyn is 5HKO'd. And the 3HKO scenario is very possible. Hero sword- true, but by the time holyn shows, she might have a better weapon. Holyn shows up before Aira's lover gives her the Hero Sword. She can still one round most units with the iron blade. No, she can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 How is everyone getting the elite ring? it is 40,000$! even if you have bargain that is pricy.This game hands out a lot of gold. When? maybe Deu who is weal can gather several thousand, certainly not 40000 by half a chapter. Holyn is too poor/weak to get it, so that 10+ level lead is becoming wider. Great logic when Aira is weaker than Holyn. Ira has something called a level lead. (5-10) Her stats are now better than Holyn are. Comprehend? (Spending all your time with holyn to get him the elite ring from voltz who can kill him at his starting stats is favortism like it or not) That's not what he said. The how else is Holyn going to get the elite ring? Sorry, basically, Ira unlikely to get hit 6 times in a row by a sword users, and impossible to be hit 6 times against an ax user. Therefore, unless you neglect to heal her, the extra durability dosent matter much. You conveniently ignore that Aira is still 3HKO'd by 20 MT while Holyn is 5HKO'd. And the 3HKO scenario is very possible. After they reach level 20. But right now, they are about equal in terms of HP and DEF. So training Holyn is just the same as Ira. Hero sword- true, but by the time holyn shows, she might have a better weapon. Holyn shows up before Aira's lover gives her the Hero Sword. The last step to Ira becoming completly > than Holyn. She can gat a more acurate steel or even silver until then. Why does holyn have? SAME THING! iron blade as well. She can still one round most units with the iron blade. No, she can't. You are not really saying anything, just denying. Starstrike. then you will say that dosent activate reliablly. Neither does Holyns moonlight, which does not effectivly kill as much anyway. Where is your reasoning that holyn is killing any better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) ..it's not 5 HP and 3 def. Holyn has a HUUUEG lead over Ayra, and it's 10 HP and 4 def if they're both 30. But Holyn gets there first. And even if it was that small, so what? 5 HP and 3 def>Nothing. Ayra has absolutely NOTHING to counter this. Don't even say Astra. All Astra does is overkill. Don't say avoid, either. Hers is barely any better than Holyn's, also lol 1 RN. Out of defenses for her, yet? Ira has something called a level lead. (5-10) ...Ayra getting 9 levels on Holyn in a quarter of a chapter, not factoring in Holyn's arena time? lmfao? Edited January 31, 2009 by MightyZagaro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seph Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) ..it's not 5 HP and 3 def. Holyn has a HUUUEG lead over Ayra, and it's 10 HP and 4 def if they're both 30. But Holyn gets there first. I was being generous. ...Ayra getting 9 levels on Holyn in a quarter of a chapter, not factoring in Holyn's arena time? Don't bother arguing with them. They are thinking extremely illogically and they can't back up any of their points. Edited January 31, 2009 by Alvis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Oooh, ooh! Let's NOT be generous! 8 Ayra: 35 HP, 12 str, 18 skl, 18 spd, 8 def, 1 res, 4 lck 14 Holyn: 42 HP, 15 str, 19 skl, 18 spd, 12 def, 1 res, 1 lck alololololololololololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seph Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Now that's more like it. 7 HP and 4 def difference. They'll still defend their loved character no matter how illogical it may be, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 They'll still defend their loved character no matter how illogical it may be, though.Reminds me of the scenario in my signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I have a better idea. How about we use Aira AND Holyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) I got a better idea: Read the topic title. Best Sword Master/Forrest in FE4 Will people use Ayra? Of course. Is she all she's cracked up to be? Not really. Is she as good as Holyn, the entire point of this topic? No. Edited January 31, 2009 by MightyZagaro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) When? maybe Deu who is weal can gather several thousand, certainly not 40000 by half a chapter.You get 20k back per pass of the Elite Ring, anyway. Arenas, villages, etc. Ira has something called a level lead. (5-10) Her stats are now better than Holyn are. Comprehend? Aira has a level lead and a stat disadvantage. Comprehend? The how else is Holyn going to get the elite ring? He... buys it? After they reach level 20. But right now, they are about equal in terms of HP and DEF. So training Holyn is just the same as Ira. First, that was not a level 20 comparison; second, Holyn absolutely beats Aira in HP/def even if Aira has a level lead, so your claim is totally false; third, 3 def is very significant. If you've played FE7 HHM without RNG abusing before, you'd realize that 2 or even 1 def is very significant in early to midgame. The last step to Ira becoming completly > than Holyn. She can gat a more acurate steel or even silver until then. Holyn can buy the Hero Sword from Aira. Aira doesn't have claim to the Hero Sword (don't try any of this "but Holyn has to buy it" crap either because Holyn definitely has the means to buy it). Holyn can get a better sword than Aira too, so I don't know what you're getting at. You are not really saying anything, just denying. Starstrike. then you will say that dosent activate reliablly. Neither does Holyns moonlight, which does not effectivly kill as much anyway. Where is your reasoning that holyn is killing any better? No, I'm saying that Aira doesn't 1-round reliably. I never said that Holyn was killing any better (he puts stuff in KO range better than Aira with his str lead); the main reason why Holyn is better than Aira is because he wins in durability. His offensive lead is just a bonus. I should probably forego the quote tags. Edited January 31, 2009 by dondon151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Quick question. How is Ayra completing the Arena AND catching up to the likes of Cuan, Sigurd, Lex, and even Alec, Noish, and Fin in Chapter 1 before they completly annihilate the opposing armies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Quick question.How is Ayra completing the Arena AND catching up to the likes of Cuan, Sigurd, Lex, and even Alec, Noish, and Fin in Chapter 1 before they completly annihilate the opposing armies? Boss abuse Gandolf with iron/broken sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 FYI Holyn can kill Voltz just fine. In fact, he's one of the best people for it, since the Free Knights don't do shit to him (meaning that even if Voltz triggers Continue he's okay) and he can one-round them all or weaken them with an Iron Sword for retards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Try saying the same thing for Ayra, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTroll Maxim Lapierre Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) Shanan is the best of the Gen.2 sword users. You argue hypotheticals all you want, but the reality is that he's got the 30 might weapon with uber speed and skill bonuses. Edited March 12, 2009 by Cephas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 This topic is past the month limit and is finished with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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