Jyosua Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Their swordplay is completely different. You must be blind. Either that or you know nothing about swordplay. Edit: You notice the difference between Link and Marth/Roy because Link's sword is huge in comparison, and as such Link puts much more effort into swinging it around. Also Link's style is very rough and unrefined. Marth's on the other hand is quick and precise, dealing minimal amounts of damage unless used properly, during which the opponent is hit with repeated attacks dealing a greater amount of damage than single blows. Roy is more refined than Link, but less than Marth, likely due to his young age. His sword also appears to be a bit heavier, besides the fact that Roy focuses on powerful single blows or very small combos, while Marth uses extremely quick and long chain attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I may not know swordplay, but I know my SSBM. Just because Marth aims for the tip of his blade doesn't make his smash animation visually any different from Roy's. That's what I mean by Style. Their feel is wayyy different; that's not what I'm trying to debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyosua Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I'm talking about overall swordplay. Not just smash attacks. Those are all meant to be powerful single hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 -_- Their strategies are different, yet their attacks - specifically which button combos unleash them - are exactly the same. How those attacks affect opponents differs between them, but that's why they're "clones." Variations are slight, regardless of how big of an impact those same variations make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyosua Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 When you have to use an entirely different strategy to use a character due to their styles of attacking, that means they are NOT a clone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurion_Emblem Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Edit: You notice the difference between Link and Marth/Roy because Link's sword is huge in comparison, and as such Link puts much more effort into swinging it around. Also Link's style is very rough and unrefined. Link's sword is fatter, but it has less range...I hate playing as Link, because he is so annoying sword wise as compared to Marth/Roy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 To the general public, Marth and Roy are clones. Obviously there are differences, but not enough for anyone to say that they are ENTIRELY different. Because if you are good with one, you have some skill with the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weisspraline Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 -_- Their strategies are different, yet their attacks - specifically which button combos unleash them - are exactly the same. How those attacks affect opponents differs between them, but that's why they're "clones." Variations are slight, regardless of how big of an impact those same variations make. I agree. Regardless of little differences, their moves are the same. Their styles are different, yeah, but their moves are the same. I'd say that makes them clones. As for Mario and Luigi? In SSB, Luigi is basically a clone, if memory serves. His attacks are all the same. The only difference I can think of is Luigi's fire balls defy gravity- they don't fall down if you use them over an edge. In SSBM, I they aren't clones per se. I guess you could consider them clones, even though their moves aren't exactly the same. But in all actuality, who cares? Arguing over weather Marth/Roy and Mario/Luigi are clones are not is like arguing over how to pronounce tomato, caramel, potato, or vase. It doesn't really matter, because in the end, Meta Knight still wins. :) <3 Meta Knight. And Red, I think it would be safe to assume that'd you'd run into spoilers in a topic talking about Brawl, so there's no use in harping on it...what's done is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Between Mario and Luigi, the only differences are: Luigi's side-B, dash-A, and his taunt. They play differently because of different weight and hitboxes, but the moves themselves are copied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Are you kidding? In SSBM, Mario and Luigi are WAY different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I'm not kidding. They're too similar not to be called clones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 No they aren't. Many of their attacks are completely different, in looks and style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Like? I named the only three differences I could think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I have to go now but I will explain later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 It's okay to up and leave; it's pretty natural on a message board. Once you come back, though, answer me this: do you also consider Roy and Marth unique characters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGV Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 i sure do. i like roy better though. more power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguu Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Are you like 8 CGV? Marth is both stronger and faster, not to mention not as heavy as captain fast fall, I mean Roy. Anyways, the originals and clones are as follows: Mario-Dr. Mario Pikachu-Pichu Marth-Roy Link-Young Link Captain Falcon-Ganondorf Fox-Falco They all have multiple differences but are accepted as clones by 95% of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 ^Fastfalling is far superior for the way Roy plays. Roy can take on Marth 1v1, but Marth fares better against threats like Peach and Sheik. I prefer Roy as well, he just doesn't shine in competitive play. Like Pokemon, underused characters have the element of surprise, and that's the key to victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGV Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 yep, they are pretty much all clones trying to separate each other with tiny differences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weisspraline Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I was so relieved when I found out Meta Knight wasn't a Kirby clone. I was terrified he would be, but I was wrong! :D He's not! Isn't Ike a Marth/Roy clone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguu Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 SSBM tier list Top tier Fox Falco High tier Sheik Marth Peach Middle tier Captain Falcon Ice Climbers Samus Dr. Mario Jigglypuff Mario Ganondorf Low tier Link Luigi Donkey Kong Roy Young Link Pikachu Bottom tier Yoshi Zelda Mr. Game and Watch Ness Bowser Kirby Pichu Mewtwo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weisspraline Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 ...They actually have tier lists for Melee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Straight from smashboards, and I agree with it. We'll have to see about Ike, but I wouldn't' mind a Roy reincarnation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weisspraline Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 The only thing that bugs me about Ike is his Final Smash. :T Seems kinda cheesy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguu Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 ...They actually have tier lists for Melee? Yeah, and also 1 for 64: SSB tier list Top tier Pikachu Kirby Ness High tier Fox Captain Falcon Middle tier Jigglypuff Mario Yoshi Low tier Donkey Kong Luigi Bottom tier Samus Link I'm REALLY mad that they nerfed Pika, Kirbz, and Nessy boy for Melee though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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