General Horace Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Dolza is only really alright in chapter 12 (IIRC, the one where Saleh joins on Eirika's route) where he can tank Gargoyles on the mountains. Same with Baels, but he can't hit those either. He's pretty terrible otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 Well, apparently, The only Warrior that's good right off the bat, is Geitz Because the fighters take time, and Bartre in fe6 prevents you from getting Echidna. Hawkeye is the best Berserker in the GBA series Gonzo is the next best IMO The rest are mediocre IMO Lot>Geese Dorcas&Bartre>Dart fe6 Bartre>Garret Garcia>Dozla Boyd>largo Hawkeye=Geitz Gonzo>>Ward Am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I feel like Berserker itself is a good class, but most of the units in them have serious issues that can't be made up by the class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Why are you using Warriors anyways? All of them suck and cannot compare to Berserkers. Bowz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottlegnomes Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I feel like Berserker itself is a good class, but most of the units in them have serious issues that can't be made up by the class. To be fair, the same could be said for warrior. But yeah, neither are very good. The only real standouts from my experience, which is 7 and 8, are Geitz, who's basically Bartre without the terrible start, and Hawkeye who has sick bases, but mehish growths. Dart can be good if you don't mind blowing 50,000 gold on him, but even then, he's not a whole lot better than Hawkeye and he actually takes training to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Bowz. Use a Sniper. Or a Nomad. Hell, promote Gerik to ranger in FE8 if you want bows that bad. Now when I meant by berserkers, I was talking about pirates too. Lot is decent in fe6, but I prefer Geitz/Gonzales(yeah, frgiin gonzales) over him any day. EVEN if he's a little inaccurate, he does what axemen do, pound the enemy to a pulp. Dart's much better than Dorcas and better than Bartre as well. Now its up to the player whether he wants to blow 50000 gold or not. If not ranked run, certainly Dart. OH, and Hawkeye is as usable as Geitz. Now its true Dozla ain't great, but all enemies in FE8 are weak, so even Dozla's usable. Not as great as Garcia, but even Garcia's not great. xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Use a Sniper. Or a Nomad. Hell, promote Gerik to ranger in FE8 if you want bows that bad. No other bow users can use axes, and vice versa. Having the best and cheapest ranged weapon along side the best and cheapest close range/two range weapon is pretty damn useful, especially when it comes to killing wyverns. Now when I meant by berserkers, I was talking about pirates too. Lot is decent in fe6, but I prefer Geitz/Gonzales(yeah, frgiin gonzales) over him any day. EVEN if he's a little inaccurate, he does what axemen do, pound the enemy to a pulp. OH, and Hawkeye is as usable as Geitz. Now its true Dozla ain't great, but all enemies in FE8 are weak, so even Dozla's usable. Not as great as Garcia, but even Garcia's not great. xD You mean Geese. Play HHM, Geitz dominates Hawkeye in all but resistance I believe. and Ross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Geitz doesn't dominate Hawkeye at all. They double most of the same things despite a 2-3 AS difference, are about tied in str, but Hawkeye's durability parameters are all significantly better than Geitz's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) Geitz doesn't dominate Hawkeye at all. They double most of the same things despite a 2-3 AS difference, are about tied in str, but Hawkeye's durability parameters are all significantly better than Geitz's. Hmm, looking at base stats, Geitz has -6hp, +1st, -1sk, +3sp, -3lk, -2df, -6rs. Guess you're right, memory failed me. Edited December 9, 2011 by deranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 No other bow users can use axes, and vice versa. Having the best and cheapest ranged weapon along side the best and cheapest close range/two range weapon is pretty damn useful, especially when it comes to killing wyverns. You mean Geese. Play HHM, Geitz dominates Hawkeye in all but resistance I believe. and Ross Yeah, I mean Geese. I totally messed that up. Doesn't matter if you can use two weapons when you're infact stuck to a weapon every turn unless you waste another unit to trade and get another weapon equipped. Besides, Berserkers are usually faster than the warriors, have an actual crit rate, and end up killing more than warriors. They basically can kill wyverns easily with their axes. Also, Ross requires more effort than Garcia and Dozla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aran613 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Yeah, I mean Geese. I totally messed that up. Doesn't matter if you can use two weapons when you're infact stuck to a weapon every turn unless you waste another unit to trade and get another weapon equipped. Besides, Berserkers are usually faster than the warriors, have an actual crit rate, and end up killing more than warriors. They basically can kill wyverns easily with their axes. Also, Ross requires more effort than Garcia and Dozla. It all ends up if you wanna do the ruins/tower or not. If you want to, you probably won't want to use Dozla, considering he'd probably die on the first floor of the ruins anyways. With Ross, you can see what your team lacks, then go from there. If you see that you need only power, go with berserker, but if you forgot to train Niemi, it's useful to have another bow user ready there so go with warrior. The only thing I don't see is Hero Ross because it seems that throughout the game you have enough swords, and the strength cap is far too low for Ross to get any strong hits with. Edited January 5, 2012 by Aran613 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 +2 speed on promotion. And 25 strength is enough for ingame. And Ross isn't that good anyways. Hawkeye and Gonzo are the only Berserkers that don't suck, and don't need babying. Lot, Dorcas, fe6 Barte, and Gietz are good warriors, capable of doing quite a bit. Dart, Geese, Garcia, and Ross are kinda mediocre. Lol Ward Garret is filler, and has only C axes. Lol Dozla and his 9 speed base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) +2 speed on promotion. And 25 strength is enough for ingame. And Ross isn't that good anyways. Hawkeye and Gonzo are the only Berserkers that don't suck, and don't need babying. Lot, Dorcas, fe6 Barte, and Gietz are good warriors, capable of doing quite a bit. Dart, Geese, Garcia, and Ross are kinda mediocre. Lol Ward Garret is filler, and has only C axes. Lol Dozla and his 9 speed base Correction: Hawkeye's the only non-sucky berserker. Because Gonzales can't hit the broad side of a barn. And I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE missing. Edited January 5, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Correction: Hawkeye's the only non-sucky berserker. Because Gonzales can't hit the broad side of a barn. And I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE missing. At level 20/4, Gonzales with a Killer Axe has 2 more hit than base Hawkeye. Therefore, Hawkeye can't hit the broad side of a barn either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) At level 20/4, Gonzales with a Killer Axe has 2 more hit than base Hawkeye. Therefore, Hawkeye can't hit the broad side of a barn either. I'm not seeing what you're trying to say since Gonzo's in a game where, oh, I dunno, enemies ACTUALLY CAN DODGE, as opposed to Hawkeye. And that's not even getting into the better accuracy of FE7 weapons... Or maybe I'm missing the point. Edited January 6, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 I'm not seeing what you're trying to say since Gonzo's in a game where, oh, I dunno, enemies ACTUALLY CAN DODGE, as opposed to Hawkeye. And that's not even getting into the better accuracy of FE7 weapons... Or maybe I'm missing the point. 20/1 Gonzo wrecks shit in 1 hit as long as it's not a sword user. Hawkeye tanks, and has speedwings/braves to back him up Has well as that Silver Axe in HNM/HHM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 20/1 Gonzo wrecks shit in 1 hit as long as it's not a sword user. Hawkeye tanks, and has speedwings/braves to back him up Has well as that Silver Axe in HNM/HHM Having all the power in the world won't help you any if you can't hit. And in my book, Gonzales just has no redeeming qualities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) I'm not seeing what you're trying to say since Gonzo's in a game where, oh, I dunno, enemies ACTUALLY CAN DODGE, as opposed to Hawkeye. And that's not even getting into the better accuracy of FE7 weapons... Or maybe I'm missing the point. Killer Axes, which are what Gonzales is going to use most of the time, have 65 hit, which is the same as FE7 Killer Axes. In addition, it's not really Gonzo's fault that the enemies in his game are dodgier, and that's something that everyone in FE6 has to deal with. The point is that in a vacuum, Gonzales is more accurate than Hawkeye. If you're going to say that Gonzales is significantly less accurate than Hawkeye, then are you saying that every character in FE6 is significantlyless accurate than their FE7 peers? Moreover, I didn't even mention Gonzales' fairly fast Lilina support, which can provide a small hit boost. Having all the power in the world won't help you any if you can't hit. And in my book, Gonzales just has no redeeming qualities. So sky-high HP/STR/SPD aren't redeeming qualities? I mean, it's one thing to say that it's not worth dealing with his low hit rates even if he has all that, but you're implying that having that really good STR/SPD isn't a good quality whatsoever. Edited January 6, 2012 by Anouleth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Killer Axes, which are what Gonzales is going to use most of the time, have 65 hit, which is the same as FE7 Killer Axes. In addition, it's not really Gonzo's fault that the enemies in his game are dodgier, and that's something that everyone in FE6 has to deal with. The point is that in a vacuum, Gonzales is more accurate than Hawkeye. If you're going to say that Gonzales is significantly less accurate than Hawkeye, then are you saying that every character in FE6 is significantlyless accurate than their FE7 peers? Moreover, I didn't even mention Gonzales' fairly fast Lilina support, which can provide a small hit boost. So sky-high HP/STR/SPD aren't redeeming qualities? I mean, it's one thing to say that it's not worth dealing with his low hit rates even if he has all that, but you're implying that having that really good STR/SPD isn't a good quality whatsoever. Okay... As for Gonzales's Lilina support, I find it questionable in value, personally. And I'd say the hit boost is practically negligible until A rank. I just think it isn't enough to make up for Gonzales's godawful Hit (Of course, you might think differently, but it's enough for me to despise him. Him being ugly doesn't help his case any). Edited January 6, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) To be sure, FE7 Bartre has as much potential as anyone long-term. His speed and skill (bases) are difficult to excuse in hard mode, and I'd never call him efficient, but he 1RKOs with the best of them later in casual play. /uses Bartre whenever doing a random runthrough to read supports Edited January 6, 2012 by Rehab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 though isn't Ross faster then Dolza and Garcia? i mean Speed and Luck are the only growths he beats his father in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Everyone and their grandmother is faster than Dozla. And even he can double things. Edited January 6, 2012 by Darros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Why are you using Warriors anyways? Because people sometimes do crazy things like actually picking classes and characters they like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Okay... As for Gonzales's Lilina support, I find it questionable in value, personally. And I'd say the hit boost is practically negligible until A rank. I just think it isn't enough to make up for Gonzales's godawful Hit (Of course, you might think differently, but it's enough for me to despise him. Him being ugly doesn't help his case any). First off, Gonzo has HHM bonuses. Second, I find 27x2 at 56% hit, to be more effective than 15x1 with 90% hit. Which is just my personal experiences with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) First off, Gonzo has HHM bonuses. Second, I find 27x2 at 56% hit, to be more effective than 15x1 with 90% hit. Which is just my personal experiences with them. Which does next to nothing to raise my low opinion of him becuase I'd rather not take any risks with his hit rate that's doomed to suck for eternity, espcially in situations where I NEED to hit. He (Gonzales) may have good HP, Str and Speed, but the low Skill ruins all that, as I see it, especially since I consider accuracy far more of a problem in FE6 than in FE7. Edited January 6, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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