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  1. 1. Now he's finished with the current game, what will he do next?

    • Spend time figuring out how to fit Ridley inside the next Smash disc
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    • Reboot Donkey Kong Jr. Math
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    • Team up with Hideo Kojima for "Mario and Solid Snake at the Olympic Games"
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    • Find another way to nerf Zelda even more
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    • Bask in the glory of all the salt he's created from DLC
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Bayonetta has one midair jump like most of the cast. So does Corrin.

You can use Witch Twist twice in the air but it MUST be out of your second jump. You cannot go Witch Twist -> Witch Twist or Witch Twist -> After Burner Kick -> Witch Twist.

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Bayonetta has one midair jump like most of the cast. So does Corrin.

You can use Witch Twist twice in the air but it MUST be out of your second jump. You cannot go Witch Twist -> Witch Twist or Witch Twist -> After Burner Kick -> Witch Twist.

I did said that I tested Corrin and he/she can't make multiple jumps in the previous post.

And also, I just cleared Classic Mode with Corrin in the Nintendo 3DS version, they only showed Corrin's voice actors on the credits in his DLC data. I was really hoping that his foster and real siblings' voice actors showed up on the credits to get more confirmation for the siblings before Fire Emblem Fates releases.

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I got Corrin! I didn't get Bayonetta, I couldn't afford both and I decided on Corrin, but I will get her eventually! Anyway, I got Corrin, and...they're okay. I don't think they're the best, but they're okay. Cloud is still the best DLC character (aside from Roy, but I'm only counting newcomers here).

Best Congratulations screen ever.

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Is Bowser supposed to be Ryoma? 'Cause that's cool. I really like Ryoma, everything I've heard about him is great!

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I find Corrin to be really meh. He seems okay but doesn't seem particularly good. Also is voice is super bland.

Totally liking Bayonetta though. Her combo strings are really good and lengthy as well. This character has so much potential and I really think she met the hype (once people figure out how her recovery works).

Umbra Clock Tower is a gorgeous stage and I have no problems with it. Lets Dance Boys is perfect.

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edit: i was misinformed. and way to go sakrai, the marios SURE needed the nerf.

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I'm downloading Bayonetta right now. I'll probably download the Mii Fighters Costumes next after getting Bayonetta.

Edit: Done, I just downloaded both of them. And also, testing Bayonetta in Training Mode in the Nintendo 3DS version, I did see Roses when Bayonetta shoots at the opponents, what's with the roses about?

Another Edit: I tested out with Corrin and Bayonetta in the Wii U version, I only saw the Rose when Bayonetta gets damaged.

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Best Congratulations screen ever.

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I love everything about this.

I like Corrin. I like their style. The learning curve is there, but i got my shovel cuz i dig it. Im all about finding uses for the side b

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Ok Smashboards patch people have narrowed down changes, but not exacts quite yet. Seems like there was more placebo than usual

Possible Hitbox Changes (Super Armor, Frames, Hitbox Durations, Damage, KB, etc)

C. Falcon, Falco, Ike, Bowser, Bowser Jr, Little Mac, Charizard, Lucina, Marth, Dark Pit, Roy, Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Toon Link, Zelda

Possible Parameter Changes (Action End Frames, Intangibility Durations, Mobility Changes, Base Stats, etc)
Cloud, Diddy Kong, Falco, Fox, Kirby, Bowser Jr, Zard, Lucina, Marth, ROB, Rosalina, Toon Link, Wii Fit, Yoshi

Likely No Changes (Not 100%, but it's looking like it's the case)
Dedede, Donkey Kong, Dr. Mario, Duck Hunt, Ganondorf, Greninja, Jigglypuff, Link, Lucario, Lucas, Luigi, Mario, Mega Man, Meta Knight, Mewtwo, Mii Fighters, Mr. G&W, Ness, Olimar, Pacman, Palutena, Peach, Pikachu, Pit, Robin, Samus, Shulk, Sonic, Villager, Wario

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I think Corrin can be a top 20 character. Corrin's aerials are great especially the combo/string ability of fair. Dragon Lunge is a great move too. You can sometimes get fair into Dragon Lunge as a kill confirm at around 70.

He/She tornadoes too.

Half the stuff he/she does in the game, he/she doesn't do in his/her game!

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According to some reports, Mario, Luigi and Doc have lost the invincibility they had on their usmash hitboxes.

I'd like that, at the same time, I feel like it shouldn't happen.

Possible Hitbox Changes (Super Armor, Frames, Hitbox Durations, Damage, KB, etc)

C. Falcon, Falco, Ike, Bowser, Bowser Jr, Little Mac, Charizard, Lucina, Marth, Dark Pit, Roy, Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Toon Link, Zelda

Possible Parameter Changes (Action End Frames, Intangibility Durations, Mobility Changes, Base Stats, etc)

Cloud, Diddy Kong, Falco, Fox, Kirby, Bowser Jr, Zard, Lucina, Marth, ROB, Rosalina, Toon Link, Wii Fit, Yoshi

Likely No Changes (Not 100%, but it's looking like it's the case)

Dedede, Donkey Kong, Dr. Mario, Duck Hunt, Ganondorf, Greninja, Jigglypuff, Link, Lucario, Lucas, Luigi, Mario, Mega Man, Meta Knight, Mewtwo, Mii Fighters, Mr. G&W, Ness, Olimar, Pacman, Palutena, Peach, Pikachu, Pit, Robin, Samus, Shulk, Sonic, Villager, Wario

A lot of characters not getting any changes when they obviously do.

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Samus why? I did for sure think Samus' grab felt faster, but I guess maybe I'm just imagining. I'm curious about the Zard buffs.

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Samus got nothing this update. Despite Sakurai saying that Samus was the strongest during Smash development, she's incredibly low on the tier list and difficult to make viable. And how can I tell Samus got no buffs... That jab does not connect.

Well, her jab is not a bug, it's a feature. Baffling as it may be.

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Okay, I haven't tested him yet but according to the smashboards notes Roy got legit buffed. Like, First Patch Ike level of buffed. All of his aerials lost frames on landing lag.

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Confirmed changes so far. http://smashboards.com/threads/1-1-4-patch-notes.430023/

Bowser: Dash Attack Early/Late Damage: 10/8 -> 12/10

Uthrow Knockback Increase (IE: Uthrow -> Uair no longer connects past ~100%)

Bowser Jr: Clown Kart Dash Ground Dash/Spinout Damage: 4/8 -> 7/12

Fair Normal/Late Damage: 8/5 -> 9/7

Ike: Eruption Base Damage: 9 -> 10

Nair Sweet/Sour Damage: 9/6 -> 10/7
Fair Damage: 12 -> 13

Little Mac: Fsmash Up Angled Damage: 19 -> 21

Usmash Uncharged Damage: 20 -> 21
Dsmash Damage: 12 -> 13
Dsmash Angle: 30 -> 45
Uthrow Angle: 85 -> 80
Dthrow Angle: 85 -> 80

Lucina: Nair First Hit/Second Hit Damage: 3.345/7.6 -> 4.2/8.5

Fair Damage: 8.5 -> 10.5
Bair Damage: 9.975 -> 11.8
Uair Damage: 9.975 -> 11.4
Dair Normal/Meteor Damage: 11.4/13,13 -> 12.3/14.2

Marth: Nair First Hit Sour/Tipper Damage: 3/4 -> 3.5/5

Nair Second Hit Sour/Tipper Damage: 7/9 -> 7/9.5
Fair Sour/Tipper Damage: 7/10 -> 8/11.5
Bair Tipper Damage: 12 -> 12.5
Uair Sour/Tipper Damage: 9/12 -> 9.5/13
Dair Sour/Sweet/Meteor Damage: 11/13/14 -> 12/14/15
Jab 1 Duration: 28F -> 25F
Ftilt Duration: 36F -> 33F
Dsmash Duration: 64F -> 54F

Rosalina: Weight: 78 -> 77

Roy: Flare Blade Uncharged Damage: 5 -> 6

Nair Landing Lag: 13F -> 11F
Fair Landing Lag: 15F -> 13F
Uair Landing Lag: 16F -> 14F
Bair Landing Lag: 19F -> 16F
Dair Landing Lag: 28F -> 23F

Sheik: Weight: 85 -> 84

Toon Link: Bair Landing Lag: 22F -> 17F

Fsmash First Hit: Altered to properly connect at any %.

Zero Suit Samus: Weight: 81 -> 80

Characters confirmed to have no changes.

Dedede, DK, Doctor Mario, Duck Hunt, Ganondorf, Greninja, Jigglypuff, Link, Lucas, Lucario, Luigi, Mario, Megaman, Metaknight, Mewtwo, All 3 Mii's, Game & Watch, Ness, Olimar, Pac-Man, Palutena, Peach, Pikachu, Pit, Robin, Ryu, Samus, Shulk, Sonic, Villager & Wario.

Everyone else has yet to be determined, but they look to have changes, also Marth potentially has an inch back on his sword, but it hasn't been confirmed yet.

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One thing I am ridiculously happy about is that they've given us a wide selection of music for the Umbra Tower. I guess the Street Fighter and Final Fantasy levels must have been about licensing cause they've certainly passed the standard here with Bayonetta.

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One thing I am ridiculously happy about is that they've given us a wide selection of music for the Umbra Tower. I guess the Street Fighter and Final Fantasy levels must have been about licensing cause they've certainly passed the standard here with Bayonetta.

Well, I guess having both Bayonetta games on a Nintendo consoles (and bringing Bayonetta 2 into existence) would probably help that.

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According to the Marth General thread on Smashboards, Marth's range has been slightly increased, and the tipper hitbox has been made bigger.

Jab being shorter duration is suuuuper nice, but I can't say I'm not jealous of Roy's landing lag buffs.

Like, I'm seriously surprised they did that without doing it to Marcina first.

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