The Void Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Jeorge is a lot worse than the average Jagen. His only value is sniping Flying Dragons, something anyone on the team can do with a forged bow. Isn't at least part of that tied to the reclass system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Not everyone can snipe Flying Dragons from the get-go unless you Arms Scroll them (which can be pretty contested, at least in LTC H2, H3 is more lenient because of no warpskip) and theyre promoted as a sniper. Otherwise, they need a massive Steel Bow forge to KO them effectively (lest they be doubled and ORKO'd by wyverns). Jeorge is truly terrible longterm though, since his bases for a Level 5 Sniper just don't cut it. Edited July 4, 2013 by Peekayell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Isn't at least part of that tied to the reclass system? Yes, but while your other fighters have value as flier-killers in addition to decent all-around combat, Jeorge can't do anything beyond shooting fliers due to his low bases and nonexistent weapon ranks outside of bows. Not everyone can snipe Flying Dragons from the get-go unless you Arms Scroll them (which can be pretty contested, at least in LTC H2, H3 is more lenient because of no warpskip) and theyre promoted as a sniper. Otherwise, they need a massive Steel Bow forge to KO them effectively (lest they be doubled and ORKO'd by wyverns). Jeorge is truly terrible longterm though, since his bases for a Level 5 Sniper just don't cut it. I don't see why you'd avoid the forge in H3. Now that I think about it, Jeorge isn't bad in C17 since he can take out the upper-right Dracoknight on turn 1 enemy phase and free up your other bow user to do other things with the forge. I don't see him being that useful outside of that. In dondon's C11 strat, the Sniper avoids taking the forge in order to allow Jake to kill a Flying Dragon with it and to let Marth get some kills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Yes, but while your other fighters have value as flier-killers in addition to decent all-around combat, Jeorge can't do anything beyond shooting fliers due to his low bases and nonexistent weapon ranks outside of bows. I don't see why you'd avoid the forge in H3. Now that I think about it, Jeorge isn't bad in C17 since he can take out the upper-right Dracoknight on turn 1 enemy phase and free up your other bow user to do other things with the forge. I don't see him being that useful outside of that. In dondon's C11 strat, the Sniper avoids taking the forge in order to allow Jake to kill a Flying Dragon with it and to let Marth get some kills. Yeah, though your other bow user can just use Silver Bow and OHKO them anyway by then. They won't need the Steel Bow forge. C17 is a massive pain to LTC btw. It basically requires bow users to be trained and Caeda to be reclassed to Sniper. The enemies also cant be doubled anymore by Pally cap. It's where I stopped in my previous H3 LTC playthrough lol. Edited July 4, 2013 by Peekayell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Besides Arran, which other useable character can we expect to drop off by mid-to-lategame? Sirius? I'm not talking about folks like Draug, Ryan, Rody or even Luke who may not be used longterm after the early chapters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Besides Arran, which other useable character can we expect to drop off by mid-to-lategame? Sirius? I'm not talking about folks like Draug, Ryan, Rody or even Luke who may not be used longterm after the early chapters. Sirius drops off, yeah, especially if he doesn't get spd levels. DKs as a whole start dropping off in Chapter 15 since their spd cap starts biting them in the rear. The guys you mentioned don't fall off and are a good investment, though you forgot to include Cecil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Yeah, though your other bow user can just use Silver Bow and OHKO them anyway by then. They won't need the Steel Bow forge. C17 is a massive pain to LTC btw. It basically requires bow users to be trained and Caeda to be reclassed to Sniper. The enemies also cant be doubled anymore by Pally cap. It's where I stopped in my previous H3 LTC playthrough lol. Yeah, the four-turn clear of C17 looks tricky; the best I could do with my team was five turns with Tomas recruited. I think I have some ideas, though. [spoiler=avoid clicking if you want to figure it out yourself]A Swordmaster or a trained Mage with a forged Shaver from the Secret Shop can team up with Etzel and Jeorge to take out the entire RHS on turn 1 player phase. A Spd-capped Paladin with the Starsphere can ORKO one of the southern Warriors, and a Swordmaster can ORKO the Sniper on turn 1 after receiving a Dance from Feena. The throne room should be tolerable if the Paladin has good HP and Def. Edited July 4, 2013 by Redwall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 That's pretty much what I was aiming for, but Marth got too overwhelmed. The DKs that spring up once the door is open just fuck all over the 4 turn lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Did you open the door on turn 2 or on turn 3? I don't think the northern Dracoknight reinforcements are a problem if the initial RHS enemies are all taken out during turn 1 enemy phase, and the western ones shouldn't be a problem if the door is opened on turn 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Did you open the door on turn 2 or on turn 3? I don't think the northern Dracoknight reinforcements are a problem if the initial RHS enemies are all taken out during turn 1 enemy phase, and the western ones shouldn't be a problem if the door is opened on turn 3. But then I ran into the issue of not being able to clear the Sheema room in time for Marth to seize because my Paladin sucked lol. I'll have this in mind when I next try it, aboose a Paladin to the max. Edited July 4, 2013 by Peekayell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Alternatively to a Sniper Jeigan, I wouldn't be against a General Jeigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Its kinda funny how a Jeigan with massive(in fact, the best by far) growth ends up to be what is IMO the single most balanced Jeigan since Marcus and Jeigan himself [spoiler=(everybody know which one I am talking about)]Im talking bout' Frederick btw Edited July 21, 2013 by I have a Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Its kinda funny how a Jeigan with massive(in fact, the best by far) growth ends up to be what is IMO the single most balanced Jeigan since Marcus and Jeigan himself [spoiler=(everybody know which one I am talking about)]Im talking bout' Frederick btw pretty sure Seth (or Titania) has the actual best growths relative to the rest of the cast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Frederick actually nearly DID have the best growth relative to the cast when its not fucking retarded like Tiki and Nowi or Enchanced!Donnel, which is pretty damn cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Fred: 410% total growth as a Great Knight Chrom: 415% as a Lord Sully: 410% as a Cavalier --------------------------------- Titania: 390% Ike: 365% Oscar: 310% I could dig up more, but I seriously doubt Frederick beats the rest of the cast in growths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Fred: 110 hp 65 str 50 spd 55 def 25 res Chrom: 85 hp 60 str 60 spd 45 def 25 res Sully: 85 hp 55 str 60 spd 45 def 25 res Stahl: 95 hp 65 str 50 spd 60 def 15 res Frederick kickstomp HP growth, highest STR growth, and has second best def after Stahl(who wins by 5%), and admitably lowest speed at respectable 50% Amongst them, only Stahl get to match Frederick's absurd growth as a GK, getting 100 HP, 45 SPD, 70 STR and 65 DEF And Frederick as a Cav 105 hp 60 str 55 spd 50 def 25 res Is still pretty massive Edited July 21, 2013 by I have a Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) I've missed a debate about Frederick? Wow. XD Anyway, Dragon Boner has proof right there of his argument. That's our Freddy Bear, folks. :3 But it IS true that people who say Frederick has bad growths at all are idiots. His are nearly the same as Stahl's, and no one says he has bad growths. Edited July 22, 2013 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I've missed a debate about Frederick? Wow. XD Anyway, Dragon Boner has proof right there of his argument. That's our Freddy Bear, folks. :3 But it IS true that people who say Frederick has bad growths at all are idiots. His are nearly the same as Stahl's, and no one says he has bad growths. get out, nobody ever argued that Frederick has bad growths we need more Titanias and less Fredericks, distinguish between the scrubs and the good players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 freds growths are amazing yes, but he's just not comparable to Seth or Titania because of the games they are in, pair up is a real dealbreaker. I'm sure Vanessa would be better than Seth if there was pair up in FE8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 get out, nobody ever argued that Frederick has bad growths Sorry, I didn't know that. I was just saying anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) freds growths are amazing yes, but he's just not comparable to Seth or Titania because of the games they are in, pair up is a real dealbreaker. I'm sure Vanessa would be better than Seth if there was pair up in FE8. The game make a difference sure, although my main arguments are: 1. Frederick growth in comparison to other units of his class(and more) is actually top of the deal(and IMO, he is) 2. Despite this he is(IMO) VERY balanced, as in he actually falls off. Im nots sure about everyone else, but in my exp on HM, Frederick's growth only turn him from Amazing(Early) into Up to par to the enemies(late), while he definitely falls off post chapter 23 in Lunatic, which is somewhat comparable to Jeigan Edited July 22, 2013 by I have a Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 where are you even getting his growths from i am 95% sure that the growths on SF aren't confirmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Well, AT LEAST the over 100 HP growth is confirmed >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 plus i'm pretty sure that the confidence interval on those growth rates is rather small Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 But Frederick DOES have an HP growth rate of over 100%. I know, he's gotten +2 HP on some level ups for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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