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Myself and Arcanian have just been trying to work out what base stats Maiden passed on to Lucina in the FE13 growths project thread (the pinned one), after doing a few tests and using some data people there had posted.

This thread is for talking about and hopefully, working out exactly what is going on with the data. The current best theory I have is:

If a child character's stat inheritance calculation would give a base stat lower than that child's absolute base, the child instead simply uses their own base value, instead of the value given by calculation.

Or mathematically, the formula should be ammended to:

( max[child's absolute base stats, (mother's current stats - mother's class base stats) + (father's current stats - father's class base stats) + child's absolute base stats) / 3] + child's class base stats

This theory seems to work at least moderately well - a level 1 Chrom paired up with Maiden gives a Lucina with stats equal to her bases + her class stats. However, it still does not quite work perfectly - http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=37764&p=2483041 - Lucina's base stats were 1 strength, 1 speed and 1 defence higher than expected with this formula, strength being especially odd, as it's expected value using the original formula would have been 9. The other stats however could have been explained if this formula rounds up. It's possible that Maiden does pass something down after all, but it would have to be not very much in general, but 5-7 base strength.

Any thoughts, or contributions of data, would be useful. I'm sure we can solve this.

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Found something really... interesting, to say the least.
Just finished ch. 13 on my ChromxOlivia file...

(directly from my Excel worksheet)

Parents' Stats

HP  Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res 
22    6   4  13  15  11   4   5   Olivia
42   21   1  23  20  20  26  16   Chrom

Base stats
HP  Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res 
16    1   1   5   8   0   3   1   Dancer
23   10   0   7   9   0  10   3   Great Lord (M)

25   16   4  24  18  31  17  17   Total from both Parents
12    5   1   8   4  13   3   3   Lucina's Base

HP  Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res 
12    7   1  10   7  14   6   6   Total Mod (Parents' Mods + Lucina's Base)/3
16    5   1   6   8   0   6   1   Lord (F)

HP  Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res 
28   12   2  16  15  14  12   7   Calculated

30   12   2  16  15  15  13   7   In-Game


The formula shows Lucina having 28 HP, but when recruited, she had 30 HP. Other stats aren't quite adding up, either.

Changing Great Lord to just Lord results in the correct HP, but some of the other stats wouldn't add up.

No stat-boosters have been used on any of these three characters.
If there are any errors, let me know. That might be why some of these aren't working out...

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Another theory I had: For each parent, if their base stat is below the child's base stat, then the child's base stat is used.

In Maiden's case, that means Madien's stat bonuses would be Lucina's bases. An underlevelled Chrom would also have his base bonuses boosted. I think that adds up for your data. And I suspect it works for mine without checking, given it explains the 'random' extra 2 strength she inherited (Lucina's 5 base strength).

So I think the true base stat inheritance formula is:

[ max( mother's current stats - mother's class base stats, child's absolute base stats) + max( father's current stats - father's class base stats, child's absolute base stats) + child's absolute base stats] / 3 + child's class base stats

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Might as well throw some data in since I just got there.

Name           Hp  Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res
Avatar         53  37  12  30  31  27  31  16  
Griffon        22   9   0  10   9   0   8   3
Growth         31  28  12  20  22  27  23  13
 
Chrom          24   8   2  10  10   8  10   1    
Lord(M)        18   6   0   5   7   0   7   0
Growth          6   2   2   5   3   8   3   1
 
Parents        37  30  14  25  25  35  26  14
Parents2       43  33  14  28  26  40  26  16
Abs Base       12   5   1   8   4  13   3   3
Total          49  35  15  33  29  48  29  17
Total2         54  38  15  36  30  53  29  19 
Inherit(floor) 16  11   5  11   9  16   9   5
Inherit(round) 16  11   5  11  10  16  10   6
Inherit(ceil)  17  12   5  11  10  16  10   6
Inherit2(floor)18  12   5  12  10  17   9   6 ***
 
Lucina(Cav)    36  18   5  17  16  17  16   6     
Cavelier       18   6   0   5   6   0   7   0
True Bases     18  12   5  12  10  17   9   6 ***

Haven't verified the numbers closely (I may have recorded them wrong/math error'd), but it looks like maybe Lucina's absolute bases are off or there's rounding in the middle of formula.

EDIT: Forgot Str+2. Also, it looks like maybe Table's most recent theory works. I haven't checked all the cases, but it explains the Hp, Skl and Luck discrepancy in my data.

EDIT2: I think that explanation + floor rounding gives the correct numbers for me.

Edited by XeKr
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Um well, I just checked and... Lucina's base stats from base Chrom and base Sully are the exact same as from base Chrom and Maiden.

According to data below, you are right on the money. NOTE: The following does NOT reflect my Lucina. The Lucina it reflects belongs to Tables, the thread-starter:

Name Hp Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res
Maiden  20 7 1 8 8 6 7 2
Cavalier 18 6 0 5 6 0 7 0
Growth/CABS 12 5 1 8 4 13 3 3
Chrom 28 14 5 13 16 13 14 3
Lord(M) 18 6 0 5 7 0 7 0
Growth/CABS 12 8 5 8 9 13 7 3
Parents 24 13 7 16 13 26 10 6
Abs Base 12 5 1 8 4 13 3 3
TotalBD 36 18 8 24 17 39 13 9
TotalAD 12 6 2 8 5 13 4 3
***Lucina(Lord) 28 11 3 14 13 13 10 4
Lord 16 5 1 6 8 0 6 1
True Bases 12 6 2 8 5 13 4 3 ***

^ Tables, thank you for pointing out a flaw in stated formula!!! I assume an update to the awakening section is needed, if the Admin feels like it?

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