Tables Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Myself and Arcanian have just been trying to work out what base stats Maiden passed on to Lucina in the FE13 growths project thread (the pinned one), after doing a few tests and using some data people there had posted. This thread is for talking about and hopefully, working out exactly what is going on with the data. The current best theory I have is: If a child character's stat inheritance calculation would give a base stat lower than that child's absolute base, the child instead simply uses their own base value, instead of the value given by calculation. Or mathematically, the formula should be ammended to: ( max[child's absolute base stats, (mother's current stats - mother's class base stats) + (father's current stats - father's class base stats) + child's absolute base stats) / 3] + child's class base stats This theory seems to work at least moderately well - a level 1 Chrom paired up with Maiden gives a Lucina with stats equal to her bases + her class stats. However, it still does not quite work perfectly - http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=37764&p=2483041 - Lucina's base stats were 1 strength, 1 speed and 1 defence higher than expected with this formula, strength being especially odd, as it's expected value using the original formula would have been 9. The other stats however could have been explained if this formula rounds up. It's possible that Maiden does pass something down after all, but it would have to be not very much in general, but 5-7 base strength. Any thoughts, or contributions of data, would be useful. I'm sure we can solve this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArcane43 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Found something really... interesting, to say the least.Just finished ch. 13 on my ChromxOlivia file...(directly from my Excel worksheet) Parents' Stats HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res 22 6 4 13 15 11 4 5 Olivia 42 21 1 23 20 20 26 16 Chrom Base stats HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res 16 1 1 5 8 0 3 1 Dancer 23 10 0 7 9 0 10 3 Great Lord (M) 25 16 4 24 18 31 17 17 Total from both Parents 12 5 1 8 4 13 3 3 Lucina's Base HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res 12 7 1 10 7 14 6 6 Total Mod (Parents' Mods + Lucina's Base)/3 16 5 1 6 8 0 6 1 Lord (F) HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res 28 12 2 16 15 14 12 7 Calculated 30 12 2 16 15 15 13 7 In-Game The formula shows Lucina having 28 HP, but when recruited, she had 30 HP. Other stats aren't quite adding up, either. Changing Great Lord to just Lord results in the correct HP, but some of the other stats wouldn't add up. No stat-boosters have been used on any of these three characters.If there are any errors, let me know. That might be why some of these aren't working out... Edited July 8, 2013 by Arcanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 Another theory I had: For each parent, if their base stat is below the child's base stat, then the child's base stat is used. In Maiden's case, that means Madien's stat bonuses would be Lucina's bases. An underlevelled Chrom would also have his base bonuses boosted. I think that adds up for your data. And I suspect it works for mine without checking, given it explains the 'random' extra 2 strength she inherited (Lucina's 5 base strength). So I think the true base stat inheritance formula is: [ max( mother's current stats - mother's class base stats, child's absolute base stats) + max( father's current stats - father's class base stats, child's absolute base stats) + child's absolute base stats] / 3 + child's class base stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XeKr Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Might as well throw some data in since I just got there. Name Hp Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Avatar 53 37 12 30 31 27 31 16 Griffon 22 9 0 10 9 0 8 3 Growth 31 28 12 20 22 27 23 13 Chrom 24 8 2 10 10 8 10 1 Lord(M) 18 6 0 5 7 0 7 0 Growth 6 2 2 5 3 8 3 1 Parents 37 30 14 25 25 35 26 14 Parents2 43 33 14 28 26 40 26 16 Abs Base 12 5 1 8 4 13 3 3 Total 49 35 15 33 29 48 29 17 Total2 54 38 15 36 30 53 29 19 Inherit(floor) 16 11 5 11 9 16 9 5 Inherit(round) 16 11 5 11 10 16 10 6 Inherit(ceil) 17 12 5 11 10 16 10 6 Inherit2(floor)18 12 5 12 10 17 9 6 *** Lucina(Cav) 36 18 5 17 16 17 16 6 Cavelier 18 6 0 5 6 0 7 0 True Bases 18 12 5 12 10 17 9 6 *** Haven't verified the numbers closely (I may have recorded them wrong/math error'd), but it looks like maybe Lucina's absolute bases are off or there's rounding in the middle of formula. EDIT: Forgot Str+2. Also, it looks like maybe Table's most recent theory works. I haven't checked all the cases, but it explains the Hp, Skl and Luck discrepancy in my data. EDIT2: I think that explanation + floor rounding gives the correct numbers for me. Edited July 8, 2013 by XeKr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Um well, I just checked and... Lucina's base stats from base Chrom and base Sully are the exact same as from base Chrom and Maiden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowjam Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) Um well, I just checked and... Lucina's base stats from base Chrom and base Sully are the exact same as from base Chrom and Maiden. According to data below, you are right on the money. NOTE: The following does NOT reflect my Lucina. The Lucina it reflects belongs to Tables, the thread-starter: Name Hp Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Maiden 20 7 1 8 8 6 7 2 Cavalier 18 6 0 5 6 0 7 0 Growth/CABS 12 5 1 8 4 13 3 3 Chrom 28 14 5 13 16 13 14 3 Lord(M) 18 6 0 5 7 0 7 0 Growth/CABS 12 8 5 8 9 13 7 3 Parents 24 13 7 16 13 26 10 6 Abs Base 12 5 1 8 4 13 3 3 TotalBD 36 18 8 24 17 39 13 9 TotalAD 12 6 2 8 5 13 4 3 ***Lucina(Lord) 28 11 3 14 13 13 10 4 Lord 16 5 1 6 8 0 6 1 True Bases 12 6 2 8 5 13 4 3 *** ^ Tables, thank you for pointing out a flaw in stated formula!!! I assume an update to the awakening section is needed, if the Admin feels like it? Edited July 9, 2013 by shadowjam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArcane43 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Well, after testing this out... Yes, NOW I get the correct numbers. I can confirm the formula Tables gave is the correct one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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