FE12 H3 Blind Playthrough Log

[Irysa]

Glad someone else enjoys PT here!

I think I'm actually going to try to LTC ch20 lol. I don't think I can be bothered to try to cheese it via holing up in the treasure room when so many of the reinforcements have 1-2 access. Plus if my calcs are right I only need to rig 1 Hauteclure crit and a Parthia chip from Draug and Hardin will go down, so I'm sure I can figure out something (the treasure chests might be a pain to figure out though, but hey, master key!)

EDIT: I'm kinda surprised that apparently some of what I came up with for C19 is actually present in some of the LTC/efficiency logs I've been reviewing post my own completion of chapters lol.

EDIT2: I cannot for the life of me figure out what exactly triggers the reinforcements from behind, and from the front on CH20...WoD is clearly wrong, as is the stats page on this site.

Edited August 15, 2014 by Irysa

[Irysa]

6 turned. Not that hard actually (in Irysaspeak, that translates to "I spent a day on it"), the only particularly difficult part is the initial group of infantry before you storm the treasure room.

Initially, I beat the chapter with the outlined Parthia chip + Hauteclure crit. But then I decided, you know what?

FUCK CHRIS TAKING THE SPOTLIGHT

Redid it for the more fitting ending.

I really enjoyed this chapter. It pushed me to think about what to do, but still let me achieve a personal goal. Hardin's theme is amazing, RIP Hardin.

Props to other playthroughs using SM Linde on previous maps showing how good her ORKO power was. Although I didn't refer to them for my own clear here, they really reinforced how strong of an option it is. As I've said before, I enjoy going back over other people's chapter clears after I've finished my own, so I'd seen her in action in other chapters prior to now and have kept it in mind throughout the game.

[spoiler=Chapter 20]

I was initially really worried about this guy but then I figured out that you can make the AI be dumb again so he never gets the chance to hit anyone. Hah.

I can kill this Sage through the wall near the start but he's actually super useful because he moves before the Sorcerer, so he can block the Sorc off from being able to actually hit anyone through the wall.

I bet you already know why I gave Marth that Arm's Scroll.

Swordmaster Linde finally makes her appearance! Aside from Swordslayer Ogma, nobody else can ORKO Heroes, and even he can't get kill Snipers by himself. Malicia gets some time to shine as a staffer since Linde is a frontliner. That being said, I had to reset for the Heroes to roll low on HP beacuse even with Magic Bond + Starsphere to get her to 22 Mag as a SM she can't ORKO them if they proc 55 hp.

I also gave Ogma a speed bond so he has 30 speed for doubling Heroes. I'm hoping he procs speed in this chapter to cap out.

Hardin...

Starsphere Linde is fast enough to double this thief if he rolls low on speed. It doesn't actually matter all that much since I can get the Thief next turn anyway.

Merric Thief Staffs this Brave Axe chest. Malicia Rescues Midia.

Everyone moves up, Midia grabs some weapons just in case and takes the Master Key from Linde.

Next turn, Linde ORKO's a Hero at 2 range, and Draug chips a Hero for Swordslayer Ogma to oneshot.

Good thing he has that speed bond so I don't need to care this yet.

Marth swaps Draug to Parthia. I initially thought the Sniper would go for Linde but apparently she's got too much Avo, so Draug is targetted instead. Luckily Parthia ORKO's.

Swarm loves targetting MU because of 0 res.

Kamikaze attack! B Swords for Ogma.

Levin Sword Linde is so good, god damn.

Wanted to feed this kill to Marth. Draug's the man so it doesn't really matter.

I have like 5 of these unused so I may as well start blowing them as much as I can.

LRT Magnets.

Sirius opens the door. Malicia Recovers MU so he can Hammer that General's face in.

Linde gets the Sniper. Caeda uneccessarily crits. I chose to let her chip since she negates all the crit on the Thoron, Draug or someone else could have taken the kill instead.

Marth caps speed!

Chest Shenanigans.

Merric's got to be relatively close so I dance him further up.

I'll be out of here before you guys can even touch me!

Catria procced so much res she can actually survive the Longbow Sniper and the Bolganone Sage without using a Pure Water. I open the chest this turn, she'll get the door next turn.

The final preparations are ready. Caeda and Merric are in position to support Marth.

Hardin's final guards fall. Midia saves.

Rest easy, old friend. I've granted your final wish.

The Binding Shield is completed.

Marth seizes turn 6 with an Again use.

I'm coming for you Gharnef!

[spoiler=Unit Stats]

UNIT       CLASS       LEVEL       HP    ST    MG    SK    SP    LK    DF    RS       WPNLVL                    BOOSTER

Marth      Lord        27.80       45    21    00    23    25    27    16    02       B SWORD
Irysa      Berserker  12/14.31     54    30    02    22    28    17    16    00       A AXE (C BOW)
Draug      Horseman   17/14.19     42    24    01    24    30    14    14    03       D SWORD A BOW (D LANCE)
Ogma       Horseman   17/14.88     51    24    01    27    29    21    18    03       B SWORD B BOW             WING
Sirius     Paladin    ??/15.20     40    23    01    25    24    13    21    07       A SWORD A LANCE (D AXE)
Palla      D.Knight   16/16.31     52    26    01    26    23    13    25    05       A LANCE E AXE (D SWORD)   ROBE, SHIELD, WING
Catria     F.Knight   18/17.93     53    24    03    26    26    27    20    15       A LANCE C SWORD (B@SM)    DROP
Caeda      Sniper     13/13.28     44    18    01    28    29    30    16    04       B BOW (B LANCE)           DROP
Linde      Sage       18/16.27     49    04    23    28    25    29    05    14       B TOME A STAFF            ROBE, DUST
Merric     Sage       18/13.04     49    03    19    23    25    22    10    12       B TOME A STAFF
Malicia    Sage       18/02.24     33    03    15    07    17    20    09    10       C TOME A STAFF
Feena      Dancer      30.00       36    20    00    25    25    30    10    01       E SWORD

Edited August 16, 2014 by Irysa

[RJWalker]

Initially, I beat the chapter with the outlined Parthia chip + Hauteclure crit. But then I decided, you know what?

FUCK CHRIS TAKING THE SPOTLIGHT

Fuck yeah, now we're talking!

[Irysa]

I'm not even going to post a full update for 20x. This map has to be one of the worst designed maps in the entire series, did they even playtest this map on lunatic? Why were they stupid enough to put FoW maps into a game that has no FoW alleviation tools? The previous FoW gaiden at the very least had relatively weak enemies, so it wasn't that annoying, but get to this point and you're getting sniped through walls by forged Longbow Snipers you can't see, Eremiah is raining hell down on you with her Siege tome, all the Berserkers and Generals have near capped stats and 1-2, and don't like to move out of chokes unless they can kill you. Wow, great, brilliant, 10/10, it's totaly not trial and error, not at all!

I have zero regrets saying I went and looked up enemy positions after having to reset a few times, then savestated in this chapter because its so fucking bad. Spammed fortify and physic with Merric and Feena from the start of the map whilst I moved up with everyone else. Got both the chests, got Marth some kills. I don't doubt theres a good way to do this map in LTC or whatever the fuck but this is one step too far, especially when you have to do stupid shit like draw your movement arrows properly to not get cockblocked.

And the less said about this awful assassin subplot the better, I'm glad it's done with. What hilarity that one of the best chapters in the game is immediately followed by one of the worst. Ugh.

[spoiler=Unit Stats]

UNIT       CLASS       LEVEL       HP    ST    MG    SK    SP    LK    DF    RS       WPNLVL                    BOOSTER

Marth      Lord        29.30       47    23    00    25    25    29    17    03       A SWORD
Irysa      Berserker  12/14.31     54    30    02    22    28    17    16    00       A AXE (C BOW)
Draug      Horseman   17/16.29     43    24    01    26    30    15    15    03       D SWORD A BOW (D LANCE)
Ogma       Horseman   17/16.09     52    24    01    28    30    23    18    03       B SWORD B BOW             WING
Sirius     Paladin    ??/15.20     40    23    01    25    24    13    21    07       A SWORD A LANCE (D AXE)
Palla      D.Knight   16/16.31     53    26    01    26    23    13    26    05       A LANCE E AXE (D SWORD)   ROBE, SHIELD, WING
Catria     F.Knight   18/18.88     54    24    03    26    26    28    20    15       A LANCE C SWORD (B@SM)    DROP
Caeda      Sniper     13/13.28     44    18    01    28    29    30    16    04       B BOW (B LANCE)           DROP
Linde      Sage       18/16.27     49    04    23    28    25    29    05    14       B TOME A STAFF            ROBE, DUST
Merric     Sage       18/14.96     49    03    19    24    25    23    11    12       B TOME A STAFF
Malicia    Sage       18/02.24     33    03    15    07    17    20    09    10       C TOME A STAFF
Feena      Dancer      30.00       36    20    00    25    25    30    10    01       E SWORD

Edited August 18, 2014 by Irysa

[RJWalker]

The one great thing about the assassins subplot is that it shows Gharnef in his true glory. What an asshole.

Technically, the assassins subplot isn't done. There's still that one Bonus chapter (different from the Chronicles chapters).

[JSND Alter Dragon Boner]

I think this map is inspired by one FE5 chapter where you got Meteored, with a hell Corridor as the appetizer. Except everything goes wrong with the design staff because they smoke Kris drugs

[Refa]

I don't normally like FE12 rewrites, but when I do, it's Hardin (actually I'm pretty sure it's nearly identical to the original but shut up don't ruin my joke bro).

[JSND Alter Dragon Boner]

his song is re-written stoopid roofa

[General Horace]

I actually liked the FE3 music for him better. But yeah 20x is a dumb chapter, considering you have no way to see farther in the fog of war.

[LeaderR Elliot]

I like 20x the assassins, map is pretty great IMO, i think FoW is done right here, sad you did not like it.

[Irysa]

Forged Brave Lance is now the new forged Ridersbane.

[spoiler=Chapter 21]

A relatively easy chapter. It looks a lot worse than it is. I didn't deploy MU because he is kind of useless on this map, he can't double anything but Sorcerers and he can't get near them very easily either. I threw Draug a Robe, and Linde and Merric a Dust each. Ogma took an Arms Scroll for Swords. Turned out he didn't really need it though.

I sold a ton of junk to get money for the secret shop. I opted not to sell my Goddess Icons or Talismans because I "might" need to totally negate crit on Sirius or Palla or something or manipulate it. Who knows.

I won't paste Ymir's boring recruit conversation, so here's my positioning for turn 1. Catria pulls 2 Wyverns.

Catria missed once but w/e. SM!Linde returns to kick ass at 2 range and ORKO enemies.

I forged a Brave Lance to +4 (hopefully I don't need more than that), so I can ORKO a bunch of enemies without retaliation.

Merric and Caeda finish off the Wyverns. My formation means the 3rd Wyvern can't reach Minerva.

Ogma pulls a Berserker. Sirius pulls the 3rd Wyvern. Catria gets the two from the north. Nobody is in range of a Meteor.

Still relevant in lategame!

Easy pickings.

Dance Caeda to BraveBow another Wyvern for a ORKO. Ogma chips a Wyvern for Marth. Draug gets the Berserker Ogma weakened before. Catria heads north to start killing thieves. Merric fortifies.

Linde luck obv negates all the crit on this guy too.

Sirius doesn't negate crit but he survives w/o crits vs this guy, who kills himself because lol DevilSword.

Brave Weapons are so awesome.

Spamming heals with Merric and Malicia...fliers head north to help Catria with thieves. Forgot to cap but Sirius hit a pretty low % Javelin, which I'll explain later.

Save with Ymir before Marth pulls a Berserker.

EP.

Yeaaaa Palla.

Got another thief with BraveLance. Sirius connecting a Javelin last turn means I don't have to tradepass it to him with Minerva to get this thief killed, which is what I planned out.

Penulimate thief is killed by Draug and Ogma. Minerva's free, so Secret Shop time!

I bought 3 Energy Drops, 1 for Marth, 1 for Sirius, and one for Caeda. I got 3 Arms Scrolls as a precaution (I have 4 in the bank now), and 1 Robe for Sirius. I don't really think I need anything else. I'll just leave a map save before I kill the boss so I can grab more if I absoloutely need to.

Marth and Caeda finish the Berz off, Marth's final level up. 3 natural caps, not bad.

Pulled another Berz with Linde. I did not count squares properly, that Dragon could have killed her if the Berserker didn't miss. Fortunately capped luck and speed SMs actually have pretty significant dodge rate, so I guess it wasn't all that unsafe.

Oh my god, 2 str procs in one map. Caeda <3

Malicia is so much like my Lena in FE11 lol, she gets empty/garb levels then gets awesome ones.

Positioning doohickey and stuff later...

Oops, early cap, don't worry he died.

And now there's only that Berserker left.

Ogma takes it, WHY DOES HE KEEP GETTING DEF. Holy shit, so tanky.

This is a perfectly fine death scene for Michalis. I mean sure, have an extra event with Minerva, but the fact he survives at the end of this is probably only justified by the fact he somehow fucking survived in FE11 as well <_<

Time for the last enemies. Longbow comes in handy.

Malicia lures one of the Meteors, whilst Caeda (negating all the Thoron crit) gets the other Sorc.

Then finishes him next turn for another level up and A Bows!

Feena gets her out of there. The point of Res she procced prevents her being oneshot by the Meteor Sorc but if it didn't I could have just barriered with Merric.

Thats it for non boss enemies.

Catria + Ogma get the kill, Marth seizes turn 16

...then I remembered I forgot to get this treasure, oops.

Marth seizes turn 19.

SURPRISE IM NOT DEAD.

...

[spoiler=Unit Stats]

UNIT       CLASS       LEVEL       HP    ST    MG    SK    SP    LK    DF    RS       WPNLVL                    BOOSTER

Marth      Lord        30.00       48    25    00    25    25    30    18    03       A SWORD                   DROP, SCROLL
Irysa      Berserker  12/14.31     54    30    02    22    28    17    16    00       A AXE (C BOW)
Draug      Horseman   17/17.10     51    24    01    26    30    15    16    03       D SWORD A BOW (D LANCE)   ROBE
Ogma       Horseman   17/17.78     53    24    01    28    30    24    19    03       A SWORD B BOW             WING, SCROLL
Sirius     S.Master   ??/16.22     48    24    01    29    30    14    19    04       A SWORD A LANCE (D AXE)   ROBE, DROP
Palla      D.Knight   16/18.46     54    26    01    26    23    13    27    05       A LANCE E AXE (D SWORD)   ROBE, SHIELD, WING
Catria     F.Knight   18/19.82     55    24    03    26    26    29    20    15       A LANCE C SWORD (B@SM)    DROP
Caeda      Sniper     13/16.01     47    22    01    30    29    30    17    04       A BOW (B LANCE)           DROP x2
Linde      Sage       18/17.46     50    04    25    28    25    30    05    14       B TOME A STAFF            ROBE, DUST x2
Merric     Sage       18/16.25     51    03    22    26    25    24    11    12       B TOME A STAFF            DUST
Malicia    Sage       18/03.50     34    03    16    08    17    21    09    11       C TOME A STAFF
Feena      Dancer      30.00       36    20    00    25    25    30    10    01       E SWORD

Edited August 23, 2014 by Irysa

[Irysa]

Double update! Well maybe quadruple, I went ahead and finished the game! There isn't an awful lot to say about the final chapters in detail though, I kind of wish I'd recorded videos. :\

4 turned 22 with what I presume is a standard strat, aka, yolo up the middle spamming Brave Weapons with Pallies and Horsemen to not have to deal with counters. I made MU a Horseman and threw him a Speedwing + Arms Scrolls to use Wyrmslayer and Silver Bow/Brave Bow. Draug got an Arms Scroll for Wyrmslayer. Open the door on the right, ORKO Dragon, then Again Marth + Boss Killer to get the throne. Pretty simple even for a casual like me, it's hardly worth even posting. If anyone really wants I'll go over it in detail but I can't really be bothered. Malicia Hammerned an Again.

First thing I noticed was the 27 AS Dragons. So I forged a +10 Dragonpike (like my +10 Wyrmslayer from FE11) to oneshot them with instead. Then I tried to figure out how I'd go about 3 turning, which seemed easy enough and I basically did it, just clear out the middle of the map then bomb the 2 Dragons guarding the gate with the forge. Then Magic Bond Linde oneshots Gharnef with a rigged crit for Marth to seize. I felt like a 2 turn was possible though so I went to see if I could try to do it, and consulted PKL's last playthrough for how a 2 turn works. I did basically the same thing, but my Catria has enough Resistance with 2 Talismans + Pure Water to survive a Mage Dragon and a Glower Sorcerer, and I have more Again charges. Basically, Catria gets rescued to kill the center Mage Dragon on the stairs, then Again'd to move to a spot that lets me one range oneshot the Fire Dragon instead of having to rig a crit. I had Palla block the side Fire Dragon from killing her. I've written it out in a bit more detail.

[spoiler=Chapter 23]

Palla + Linde get the left Fire Dragon.

Dance Linde, Feena's positioning lets Caeda rescue Catria onto a tile close enough to get the stair Mage Dragon.

Ogma chips another Mage Dragon for Sirius.

Xane copies Malicia to Hammerne Again next turn.

Linde Again's Palla, who moves to block a tile so Catria isn't killed by a Fire Dragon. Palla uses Pure Water.

Merric Again's Catria, who also moves into position so she can get into 1 range of one of the Dragons blocking the way to Gharnef. Being within 10 squares activates the Glower Sorcs and a Mage Dragon but as outlined before, I threw both Talimans on her, and with the Pure Water Boost she's BARELY surviving. Malicia Fortifies.

Marth oneshots this Dragon with a Wao Dao crit for like 58% or something. I could have done something else but w/e

Pretty tight. Palla takes a swarm as well before this.

Xane Hammerne's Again. Feena dances Caeda so she can rescue Linde (who will then rescue Marth).

First though, Catria oneshots the first Corridor Dragon.

Again Catria and Linde with Malicia and Merric.

Second Dragon dead, savepoint and then rig a crit with Linde on Gharnef.

No special dialogue. :\

Killed a Dragon because I can.

Turn 2 Seize

[spoiler=FINAL]

Incredibly easy, given I had so many Rescue and Again charges left over. 2 turned. First turn, everyone moves up, Malicia breaks Hammerne on Merric's Again. Sirius is within 10 range of Nyna once the Dragons are cleared out. I should have chucked my Goddess Icons on him to negate the Ice Dragon crit, he ended up facing like 18% critrate, gross. w/e

Catria clears a path for Sirius and danced Julian. Ogma kills another Dragon to clear the middle path but I'm pretty sure that's totally not neccessary since Marth has to be Again'd to reach Medeus anyway.

Nyna grabs rescue out of the convoy and rescues Minerva to get Maria. Is this quote the same regardless of whether Michalis is alive or not?

Maria trades for rescue to rescue Merric, who then saves Elice. Merric uses Again on Marth.

First round of combat. Lena grabs Recover out of the convoy and uses it on Marth afterwards.

Linde Agains Marth. Marth hits Medeus for a second time.

MU saves since I need a crit to finish Medeus off. Malicia Again's Marth for the final time, and Elice Again's MU so he can move up to give a crit bonus to Marth, and hit for 0 damage for shits and giggles (Marth is the REAL Hero around here kid).

With Caeda, Merric and MU all within 3 Squares, Marth has pretty respectable crit against Medeus.

Didn't even need to reset. Marth finishes without relying on a double critical.

Wrapup next post.

Edited August 23, 2014 by Irysa

[Irysa]

The lovebird moment in epilogue wasn't as cute as SD but Marth has grown into a real man at this point so it doesn't have to be. I'm happy for them.

I refuse to paste this entire convo so lets just say "hurr I will cecede all my achievements to you because I am the most flawless character ever so Marth can now be the legendary hero king despite being made out to be a wuss the whole game"

Fuck. That.

Headcanon or not, Marth will always be the guy that did all this. Chris can go suck a lemon.

I was going to post funny stuff I saw from the GIGANTIC EPILOGUE (holy shit) but I can't be bothered so it's time for just UNIT STUFF.

[spoiler=Unit Analysis]

RIP in Peace. I was tempted to deploy Arran in Endgame so I could have him suicide on a Dragon or something to let him fufill his wish to die in battle from his death quote, but I couldn't do it. He was pretty fucking amazing for the first 3 chapters, then fell off hard.

He was okay for most of the game. He became VERY useful for a brief period when he had exclusive 30 AS as a Horseman, and he had exclusive access to Parthia for a while which was pretty awesome. That brief stint probably put him ahead of Ogma who was playing catchup most of the time.

Despite the fact I benched her for half the game, her A staff rank and hammerne use was pretty invaluable in lategame when I was spamming high rank staves everywhere. Doesn't need any stats to do her job, great unit despite barely ever meeting any combat.

Somewhat iffy earlygame, then limited by the fact I had to wait until I got an Elysian whip for her Falcoknight Promo. However, she pretty much obliterated the midgame and destroyed the lategame. Endgame was good too, but nothing special since everyone is about even by then and staffers play a huge role. Arguably my best unit.

Pretty amazing, even if I had to rig her mag. Sure, in efficient play the staff stuff she did for me isn't a factor, but even ignoring that her Levin Sword ORKO potential for some of the later chapters is pants on head retarded. Nosferatanking was also really helpful in a few maps.

Was super awesome for Lance Rank and stats for early chapters, then carried the team all by herself about c7 to c12, then shared the spotlight with Catria until falling off a bit by lategame. Still incredible though, since I couldn't make MU a DK she filled in more than adaqueately. Super tanky!

He spent the entire first half of the game being babied to catch up to Draug, then still had to get boosters to compare. Mounted Mercurius never actually came in Handy, but C swords did. I mean, he was good, don't get me wrong, def blessed like hell too. But I kind of feel like all of the special things a Horseman can do were fufilled mostly by Draug in this run.

He did a few very important things in C5, 6 and 7 then basically was just being babied to stay relevant until later on. Not a bad unit, but he wasn't very important most of the time.

Ridiculously good in Prologue, insane speed and luck was a massive blessing throughout the game when dealing with crit happy enemies. Effective Weapons don't really care about your str, so she was useful throughout the game for Wing Spear and Bow use. Wing Spear in particular came in handy in C19 since I couldn't get anyone into Hammers to ORKO the boss with.

Dancers are irreplacable. Nothing more to say. I like how she capped so many stats though lol.

WENT SHOPPING AND CHUCKED A HAND AXE LIKE ONCE BEST UNIT EVER

I won't lie, I babied the shit out of him but he impressed me regardless. Etzel is definitely better, but Merric's still pretty cool if only for the Marth support bonus. Excalibur was super useful in C11, and all the staff grinding I did made him immensely helpful in late and endgame. Also, he hooked up with Elice at last yeaaaaah.

Unique utility is only rivaled by Feena. Made quite a lot of things possible that are otherwise entirely impossible, despite the fact I didn't use him that much. What a great unit, next time I play this game I'll definitely use him more.

Carried the team for the Prologue and first 3 chapters but I'm going to be honest, he fell off REALLY HARD after that. Being stuck in class B whilst also being bad at the whole Horseman thing is pretty damning. However I do know from experience now in another run how much better MU is when you dump EXP into him early on instead, but this game, I can safely say the Pegs were way larger contributors on the whole.

Decent earlygame, but then was just babied forever until he kicked Medeus's ass. I really like Marth, but I can't really say he did anything particularly useful in this game besides hand out support bonuses everywhere.

Thats all folks!

My thoughts on this game on the whole? My god, it's polarising. There are so many things I REALLY REALLY love about it, adore in fact, yet there are so many other things I really loathe with all my heart. There's some amazing map design right next to some terrible ones, some fantastic chars and dialogue next to some inexcusably bad ones, etc.

I can't legitimately say I "like" it on the whole however when I feel so strongly about the things it does poorly. It's a good game, but yeah I can't reasonably say I'm a big fan of it. I think I enjoyed FE11 on the whole a lot more, for all that game's problems. In a way, 12 made me appreciate 11 more. FE13 went on sale the other day on EU eshop, so I'll be playing that next, but I'm unlikely to playlog it.

Edited August 23, 2014 by Irysa

[RJWalker]

The dialogue between Minverva and Maria is the same, whatever Michalis' fate was. In fact, it's taken directly from FE3 where he does die for good. Minerva lies through her teeth to Maria. Good stuff.

Anyway, great playthrough log.

Now do Reverse Lunatic.

[LeaderR Elliot]

Very nice indeed! Congrats!

[cloudropis]

Gratz it was fun.