Nintales Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 So... you didn't get the iron rune, or brave bow, or the other good items? In a run where all your guys are mad underpowered? ur fuked B... Brave bow? Where is there a brave bow? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I am talking about the Fargus Earth seal. You'll need 19 speed (per the screenshot in my LP thread) AND WHY WOULD YOU JUST SKIP THE MEMBER CARD (jk it's only /kind/ of important to your run. Truth be told, Klok did change a few secret shops. If you need some extra promo items, Klok stuffed them into the northern Secret Shop fwiw). The Killer [weapon] secret shop at the bottom remains unchanged. HE WASN'T COMING :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Brave Bow is the lower chest on the east side. Guiding Ring is upper (i might be getting them reversed idfk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 You should strive to get every item lol. Many are useful in more ways than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 So... you didn't get the iron rune, or brave bow, or the other good items? In a run where all your guys are mad underpowered? ur fuked +I got the Iron Rune. Well, you'll have the next chapter tomorrow, considering Chapter 21 is harder than I expected. (WHY SO MUCH POISON) Plus, Brave bow can be replaced by SHORT CRIT BOW You should strive to get every item lol. Many are useful in more ways than one. B-But Ltc... I WANT TO KEEP MY FIVE STARS STARS, KLOK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Plus, Brave bow can be replaced by SHORT CRIT BOW Double attaking high mt on a low spd unit > heavy medium mt bow that slows slow unit down even more. Edited September 19, 2014 by Klokinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Double attaking high mt on a low spd unit > heavy medium mt bow that slows slow unit down even more. Can't get that BB now though. Yeah, savestate abuse pretty much erased chapter 20's savestate. No way (except for master card) I'm going back in this RNG monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Yea chapter 21 Poison Lances are pretty damn annoying to navigate around for the first two turns because even with WTD, they still run so accurate. With all the loot to steal, I'd suggest like, giving Hector the Iron Bow and Nini's Grace, and just sending him straight through the middle. He'll one-hit all of the poison lancers for a good chunk of damage but i don't think your Hector will OHKO them. This way, you can get the steals. Though I think there's a Peg Knight with a Goddess Icon you'll need to be careful with. Do this for Turn 1 & 2, before the Aura guy can realistically reach you. Nini's Grace!Hector's tanky enough that he can shrug off a pile of attacks and dish out high enough damage that you can just mop the rest of the enemies up with your team doing One-Hits and a Ninian dance accordingly. Base!Ninian can take 1 hit (17 damage IIRC) from a Wyvern, so if you don't clear them all and Ninian gets hit, she should still be ok. Don't worry too much about the Luna mook at the top. Despite having Luna, she's only hitting you for like what, 5 or 6 i can't remember something lolworthy, and by the time Turn 3 comes about, you should have pretty much all the initial Poison Lance fliers under control Edited September 19, 2014 by Sara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) giving Hector the Iron Bow and Nini's Grace Ninis's Grace is only +10 DEF/RES, his Hector might not be durable enough. Oswin with a hand axe would be a better choice IMO. Oswin also won't get doubled too. Edited September 19, 2014 by Klokinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 hmm, 11+10 defense and 32 HP. - [too lazy to copy in the Marcus=7Def / 15 Dmg screenshots] the Poison Lance wyverns have between 22 and 24 attack, so Hector shouldn't be taking that much damage per hit with a Nini's Grace buff, even if doubled. Peg Knts have 3-4 less Str on average, so they should be tinking NG!Hector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) Now, I know why the thief didn't appear. Darin was dead before his turn of appearance. That is the only reason I could think of. I don't want to check it, though. I'll start chapter 21 in a minute. Thanks to Eli for the strat. Might as well use Filla's might Lancereaver Oswin. Not sure. EDIT : Ninis's grace only works for one attack! HOORAY! EDIT 2 : That's because Hector gets poisoned. Edited September 20, 2014 by Nintales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 [spoiler="Poison lance" added to the HATE list] WHY KLOK I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SOLO THE GAME WITH HER Teamshot Hey, Eliwood does SOMETHING! Heath will like to use it on next chapter. YOU LIED TO ME YEAH WHY ARE THEY SO MANY hey it's not 100%. Lancereaver best weapon ever made BOOM RESET FIVE STARS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE GOT THOSE NEW TEAM Let's do Eli's strat! I HATE POISON LANCES FILLA'S MIGHT OSWIN GOT IT COVERED OR NOT I HATE THIS CHAPTER HECTOR, YOU CAN DO IT DO THIS HECTOR OHKOes GENERIC MONKS GG DORCAS ... SHE FELT THERE WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS DON'T GO OUT THERE WHY ISN'T THERE NINIS'S GRACE ON HIM WE CAN DO THIS GUYS WHY HAS POISON LANCE GOT 110 PREC GUYS WE ARE NEAR BARTRE STEALS THE RING WHY WHAT ARE YOU DOING MERLINUS YOINK FINISH HIM Didn't get the Elysian Whip though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) [spoiler=GET THE NEW UNITS] FIORA PROMOTES Character bases for Klok's data. Erk is autoleved though. WHAT THE BUG Edited September 20, 2014 by Nintales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) I feel like Isadora is supposed to be much stronger than that... Edit: Is she not auto-leveled in your rom? Edited September 20, 2014 by Klokinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Oh my god status override other statuses, they don't stack. Wow shit fuck I had no idea about that I've never been in that scenario before. Makes me wonder if you can silence a berserked enemy and have it override that. Crazy shit. Sry bout that Ninti.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) WHY KLOK I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SOLO THE GAME WITH HER Incidentally I forgot her bases are supposed to be higher. She's supposed to have 18 SPD/LUK. Feel free to add +6 SPD and +4 LUK. Edited September 20, 2014 by Klokinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Incidentally I forgot her bases are supposed to be higher. She's supposed to have 18 SPD/LUK. Feel free to add +6 SPD and +4 LUK. Well, that would require me to go back to chapter 21 so... NO. I upgraded Isadora's bases thanks to nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 This is what my Isadora looks like. (Don't mind the two deaths, I wanted to just spam End Turn to see what reinforcements looked like and didn't bother moving her). Klok, is this accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yeah that's what she's supposed to look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Isn't that what she is supposed to look like? I mean, I used the character chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) K cool. Ninti should totally get a Skype and hit me up on there so we can discuss LTC prostrats and compete against eachother in this madness after you finish your Tier-3 MagicMounts mod Nin did you manage to nab the Dragonshield or the Wyrmslayer? Wyrmslayer in the southern village is unlimited use 2-3 range, so it'd be a decent anti-wyvern weapon for a little while (lancereavers are still probably better because superior dodge, but $$) Edit* Holy crap 9 defense? Klok get your shit straightened out! Edited September 20, 2014 by Sara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) Well, iirc she IS autoleveled. That being said that actually looks more balanced IMO since she can't cap anything before promo. As far as DEF goes, she has three tiers of wiggle room so she'll likely max everything at 20/20/20 anyway with growths. Edit: Teq's lp shows: Pretty sure this is the most accurate, guys. (Wait I raised her con one point since Teq's LP) Edited September 20, 2014 by Klokinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) K cool. Ninti should totally get a Skype and hit me up on there so we can discuss LTC prostrats and compete against eachother in this madness after you finish your Tier-3 MagicMounts mod Nin did you manage to nab the Dragonshield or the Wyrmslayer? Wyrmslayer in the southern village is unlimited use 2-3 range, so it'd be a decent anti-wyvern weapon for a little while (lancereavers are still probably better because superior dodge, but $$) Edit* Holy crap 9 defense? Klok get your shit straightened out! Nope, no Skype. No Dragonshield because it was too dangerous but I got the Wyrmslayer with promoted Legault. Could have got the Elysian whip if Oswin critted Oleg, though. Edited September 20, 2014 by Nintales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) psh. Regulating chat to here then. Good 'nuff You might want to go back for that, if for nothing else other than loot to sell in exchange for the secret shop boosters that I hear Klok included in lategame? I recall it sells uhh, Robes, S.Wings and Icons, which I'm 99.9% certain you'd want to take full advantage of Edited September 20, 2014 by Sara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) psh. Regulating chat to here then. Good 'nuff You might want to go back for that, if for nothing else other than loot to sell in exchange for the secret shop boosters that I hear Klok included in lategame? I recall it sells uhh, Robes, S.Wings and Icons, which I'm 99.9% certain you'd want to take full advantage of I didn't get the Member Card, so I can't get these. I'll live with chapter 31x's Secret Books for Karla, and Energy Rings/Talismans/Dragonshields for everyone else. EDIT : Oops, I didn't read you that well. No, I won't get back to chapter 20's hell. It was worse than chapter 21. WORSE THAN CHAPTER 22 TOO. Edited September 20, 2014 by Nintales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintales Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 [spoiler=Get the best units of the games while you have growths] Isadora. DAT THWOMP GUYS THAT GENERIC CHICK IS AS STRONG AS EUBANS Too bad she can't fight. SHE CHOSE TO HEAL GUYS My little Cleric so cute. DIE YOU PALADIN THING WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO NILS'S NOT DEAD BODY MERLINUS Another great unit enters YEAH HECTOR haha They are now on the team. Hooray! If she didn't loot that Earth Seal, she might have stayed alive. WHY IS LIFE SO CRUEL WHY IS YOUR WARP RANGE SO LAME MARCUSIE LET'S GO RIG SILVER SWORD CRITS YEAH LEGAULT NEXT CHAPTER : They are good. Better than Oswin/Dorcas/Marcus at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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