Wen Yang Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Credit for rules go to Sirius & ExcellenDrafting rulesThis a draft for 4-6 playersYou start off with a fresh save file, New game+ is not allowed. However, you should use your Z2.1 clear file and import that into Z2.2. Crowe must use the DEFAULT birthday and blood type.Brasta, Li-Brasta, Brasta Es, and all battleships are free to use for the entire game.Every other unit has to be drafted to be used without penalty, though there will be a lot of exceptions to this. The penalty for using an undrafted unit is 4 turnsUndrafted units are allowed to persuade, get secret items, Perform sub-orders, and sit their asses in a battleship. They are also allowed to cast skills like Strike, Alert, Focus, Guard, Accel and Wall if it keeps enemies from attacking them. All other skills are forbidden. They may not be used for support attacks or team attacks. They may also not be used for friendship, love, rivalry or command aura bonuses. You may not upgrade undrafted units. Equipping parts and/or using PP is still fine, however.There are exceptions to this and this comes into play with forced deployment. You are allowed the use of any and every forced unit who can't retreat into a battleship. This exception only lasts till they can retreat into a battleship. Drafting a unit gets you that unit AND pilot for BOTH games. You may NOT use pilots you have not drafted, unless said pilot captains a battleship for a change. The Import bug and Sub-Order Bug are FORBIDDEN. Acquiring a SR point is worth a -1 Turn Bonus Fighting the Final Boss (Both games) at level 99 is worth a -5 turn bonus. Free units: All Battleships, Brasta/Li-Brasta, Brasta Es. All units are free from chapter 1-12 in Z2.1 and Prologue-10 in Z2.2. Zero may be used to perform the last hit on the Da Longdan on Z2.2 stage 17 for ZEXIS route. When a character is SPECIFICALLY needed to perform a combative action to acquire an SR point, that character is free for that stage ONLY. Characters who are not on the draft list (Usually temporary PCs like Zechs/Beck/etc) are considered FREE. After the drafting is done, trades will be allowed between players, under the following conditions: 1. Number of characters traded are EQUAL on both sides. 2. Both parties express their mutual agreement to the trade.Unit List: Zambot 3:Kappei - Zambot 3Daitarn 3:Banjou - Daitarn 3Trider G7:Watta - Trider G7Kakikouji - ShuttleGodsigma:Toshiya - GodsigmaBaldios:Marin - BaldiosGodmars:Takeru - Gaia/GodmarsKenji - Cosmo CrusherTetsujin-28:Shotaro - Testujin #28Black Ox - Black OxXabungle:Jiron - Walker GallierElchi - XabungleArmored Trooper VOTOMS:Kiriko - Scopedog/TC-ISS/Rabidlydog/Missile PodsFyana - BrutishdogRu Shako - BersergaGregore - Scopedog TC-LRSOrguss:Kei - OrgussAthena - NikickZeta Gundam:Kamille - Z GundamFa - MethussQuattro - Hyaku ShikiChar's Counterattack:Amuro - Nu GundamGundam Wing:Heero - Wing/ZeroDuo - Deathscythe/HellTrowa - Heavyarms/KaiQuatre - Sandrock/KaiWufei - Shenlong/AltronNoin - TaurusHilde - TaurusGundam X:Garrod - Double XJamil - X DividerRoybea - Leopard DestroyWitz - Airmaster BurstEnil - Jenice Kai Enil CustomTurn A Gundam:Rolan - Turn AHarry - SUMOSEED Destiny:Kira - Strike FreedomAthrun - Infinite JusticeShinn - DestinyLunamaria - ImpulseGundam OO:Setsuna - Exia/OO/RaiserLockon - Dynames/CherudimAllelujah - Kyrios/AriosTieria - Virtue/SeraveeDancougar:Shinobu - Final DancougarDancougar Nova:Aoi - Nova Eagle/Dancougar Nova/MAXGODGetter Robo Armageddon:Ryoma - Getter-1/Shin Getter-1/Black GetterGo - Shin Getter-1Schwartz - StelvaShin Mazinger Z:Kouji - Mazinger ZSayaka - Aphrodite A/Venus ABoss - Boss BorotLorelei - Danube Alpha 1Dai Guard:Akagi - Dai GuardThe Big O:Roger Smith - Big OOverman King Gainer:Gainer - King GainerGain - EmperanzaCynthia - DominatorSara - PantherGravion:Touga - Sol GravionSandman - God Sigma GravionFaye - Gran TrooperAquarion:Apollo - AquarionCode Geass:Lelouch - Sutherland/Burai/Gawain/ShinkirouKallen - Guren Nishiki/A1 Arm/Flight-enabled/SEITENOugi - Glasgow/BuraiTamaki - Glasgow/BuraiToudou - Gekka/ZangetsuAsahina - AkatsukiChiba - AkatsukiC.C. - Burai/Akatsuki/Lancelot FrontierSuzaku - Lancelot Air CAvalry/AlbionXingke - Shen HuJeremiah - Sutherland/SiegRolo - VincentGino - Tristan/DividerAnya - MordredTengen Toppa Gurren Lagann:Kamina/Simon - Lagann/Gurren/Gurren LagannDayakka/Yoko - Dayakkaiser/Yoko M TankKittan - King KittanGimmy - Grapearl (Gimmy)Darry - Grapearl (Darry)Macross 7:Basara - VF 19 Kai Fire ValkyrieGamlin - VF-22S Sturmvogel IIMacross Frontier:Alto - VF-25F Messiah/YF-29 DurandalMichel - VF-25G MessiahOzma - VF-25S MessiahLuca - RVF-25 MessiahKlan - Queadluun-ReaCanaria - VB-6 Konig MonsterBrera - VF-27 LuciferEureka Seven: Pocket of Rainbows:Renton - Nirvash Spec 2/Spec VHolland - Terminus 303Original:Marguerite - Pearl NailSetsuko - Virgola GloryRand - Gunleon Teams: 1. ShinKuma: Kamina/Simon, Shinobu, Kira, Athrun, Shinn, Lunamaria, Dayakka/Yoko, Witz, Roybea, Garrod, Jamil, Setsuko, Enil, Brera, Holland, Gino. 2. wrightofway: Ryoma, Heero, Setsuna, Touga, Lockon, Sayaka, Basara, Banjou, Sara, Amuro, Kittan, Rand, Noin, Tamaki, Ru Shako, Go. 3. Gyarados: Chirico, Alto, Allelujah, Michel, Klan, Marin, Kei, Rolan, Tieria, Luca, Canaria, Ozma, Hilde, Gamlin, Gregore, Fyana. 4. Wen Yang: Kallen, Lelouch, Trowa, Quatre, Duo, Harry, Wufei, Toudou, C.C., Cynthia, Asahina, Xingke, Suzaku, Jeremiah, Chiba, Rolo. 5. Balcerzak: Aoi, Kouji, Watta, Gainer, Kappei, Jiron, Kakikouji, Camille, Gain, Quattro, Marguerite, Boss, Lorelei, Fa, Athena, Ougi. 6. Generic Operator: Takeru, Kenji, Apollo, Toshiya, Roger, Akagi, Renton, Elchi, Faye, Shotaro, Sandman, Schwartz, Gimmy, Darry, Black Ox, Anya. Edited January 5, 2015 by Wen Yang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellen Browning Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 useless post to get this thread in my content list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Kopf pls, you still haven't finished the BMW draft :'D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrightofway Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I'm in. I'm a little confused on whether we are drafting pilots or units though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Yang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 WrightofWay: both at once actually. If you check the draft list, you'll see that you have a list of units alongside the pilots. When you draft that pilot, you also drafted the units linked to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellen Browning Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 But that means you cant put a good pilot into the Turn A! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Yang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Excellen: who says you can't? Just draft Amuro or someone along with Rolan! XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellen Browning Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 why would anyone do that though? Hell, loran is one of the worst pilots you could put into the turn A. Not allowing a different pilot just makes the turn A a worse draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrightofway Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's still the best MAP attack in Z2, and Loran isn't a terrible pilot for it since he has a good Spirit set. Kamille would be better, but Loran can get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Yang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Rolan also has SP Regen... which is not a buyable skill. So there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 If you end up needing a sixth to fill this in a reasonable fashion, I could give it a try. I've never played Z2, nor do I even know what system it's on, so I'll need to do some research or I'll lose terribly, but more people inherently increases the excitement and enjoyment of a draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinKuma Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Use me as a last resort if no one else joins Will be a little out of it until late Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 If you end up needing a sixth to fill this in a reasonable fashion, I could give it a try. I've never played Z2, nor do I even know what system it's on, so I'll need to do some research or I'll lose terribly, but more people inherently increases the excitement and enjoyment of a draft. It's on PSP. A good emulator for it that I've used is PPSSPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Yang Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 It's on PSP. A good emulator for it that I've used is PPSSPP. I second the suggestion of PPSSPP, since it's also what I use. So right now I got three "Put me in if you can't get a guy for that last spot" requests from Bal, Shinkuma, and Generic Operator, gonna keep you guys on hold till another 2-3 days, and if I can't fill up the draft by then, you're all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) Is there an english wiki that isn't complete shit for this game? I'm ending up having to spend most of my time at http://www44.atwiki.jp/srwz2nd/pages/173.html which is getting tedious. Edited December 14, 2014 by Balcerzak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) Is there an english wiki that isn't complete shit for this game? I'm ending up having to spend most of my time at http://www44.atwiki.jp/srwz2nd/pages/173.html which is getting tedious. http://akurasu.net/wiki/Super_Robot_Wars/Z2 http://akurasu.net/wiki/Super_Robot_Wars/Z2.2 You can follow the info there for most of what you need. Edited December 14, 2014 by Sirius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Mmm, that's what I was afraid of, I couldn't really figure out where pilot/mech stats/weapons, etc. were on the akurasu wiki. It had a pretty good flow chart for route separations, but everything else seemed really lacking, imo. I'm just gonna have to compile my own decent blend from various sources, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 In that regard I don't know of a good resource and typically just picked main characters for combat units with some preference to super robots with multiple pilots for more spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellen Browning Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 As a general rule series' main characters are the most powerful units. Add Kallen to that list as well and remove Renton, because he's bad. As is usual in SRW drafts, early joining units have a priority in drafting, because early game is the hardest part. Also important is to establish the routes you want to take as you build your team. You'll find that most units are servicable if not spectacular. There's also a small list of units that have garbage combat power, but these usually come with repair and/or resupply and good supportive spirits. I'll try to list those tomorrow. These support units are usually good picks in the later half of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 going to parrot everyone else and say that main pilots are generally the best for their series, although in my experience Hakai!Lelouch is pretty mediocre (as opposed to kallen being top tier forever) and renton is trash tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 The problem is more not being able to judge the relative strengths of the 20 series I've never heard of, not the strength of pilots within any given series, but I do appreciate your efforts to be helpful. I'll just keep researching, and worst comes to worse, I'll make some trash picks and live with them, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrightofway Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I made a list of the pilots that learn the most important support spirits. Enable: Both games: Kira Sumeragi Sayaka Zero Luca Marguerite Rose (subpilot of Cosmo Crusher) 2.2 only: Lacus F.S. Hope: Both games: Kakikouji Fa Lunamaria Sumeragi Sara Tamaki Marguerite Rose (Cosmo Crusher subpilot) Ibuki (Dai-Guard subpilot) Ryuiru? (Sol Gravion subpilot) Nia (Dai-Gurren subpilot, not in 2.2) Catherine (Macross Quarter subpilot) Eureka (Nirvash subpilot) 2.2 only: F.S. Kei (Shin Getter/Shin Dragon pilot) Esther Para (Gundam DX + G-Falcon subpilot) Saji (Gundam 00 Raiser) Mail (Gunleon subpilot) Resupply: Both games: Elchi Tsugumi (Aquarion pilot) Canaria Keiko (Zambot subpilot) Fumie (Shuttle subpilot) Addette (Panther subpilot) Something google translate doesn't like (Sol Gravion subpilot) Leeron (Dai-Gurren subpilot, not in 2.2) Catherine (Macross Quarter subpilot) 2.2 only: Hilde Enil Meyrin? (Eternal subpilot) Tanaka (Dragon's Hive subpilot Mail (Gunleon subpilot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Yang Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Anyway, since I have 3 people who said they want in for last spot, and we have 3 spots remaining... We're a-starting. Take your time though, I won't be rushing you to pick especially this early, and GO said he won't be able to be online much till after this week anyway. Randomized Pick Order: 1. Shinkuma 2. wrightofway 3. Gyarados 4. Wen Yang 5. Balcerzak 6. Generic Operator Shinkuma, it's your pick! Edited December 15, 2014 by Wen Yang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinKuma Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) I'll edit this in a moment sorry for the late response. Gonna be my number 1 draft pick because reasons Kamina/Simon - Lagann/Gurren/Gurren Lagann Power nap so away for 3-4 hours Edited December 15, 2014 by ShinKuma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrightofway Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Ryoma and co - various Getters Edited December 15, 2014 by wrightofway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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