Loki Laufeyson Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Contrary to popular belief, i do not have a problem with competitive Smash playing. What are the most neutral stages (without going Omegas) for both versions? I know we got Battlefield and Smashville's back in the Wii U, but what else? I have heard it said that Final Destination isnt as neutral as it seems. (im unclear as to why tho) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadFighter Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 FD has the flash the light, but for 3ds I'd say Yoshi's Island and BF. Wii U I've heard Skyloft is a neutral in some places but I feel it should be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Oh yeah forgot about Yoshi's Island. Wii U I've heard Skyloft is a neutral in some places but I feel it should be banned. Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) Yeah, FD is NOT neutral. It gives a big advantage to characters with projectiles. I find it to be a really boring stage anyway. I'd say Town and City is neutral. I see nothing ban-worthy about it. Luigi's Mansion and the FE stages are fairly neutral as well, imo, because they all gradually change from completely flat to full of platforms and vice versa. And they don't have any hazards. Edited January 10, 2015 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Smashville and Battlefield are quite clearly the most neutral imo. Luigi's Mansion and the FE stages are fairly neutral as well, imo, because they all gradually change from completely flat to full of platforms and vice versa.Not Coliseum, seeing as there are no cliffs whatsoever. While I agree with them being legal, I don't see Castle Siege or Arena Ferox as among the most neutral, either, due to the changes that happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) battlefield yo e: or maybe yoshi's or something idk (RANDALL THE GHOST THO) Edited January 10, 2015 by CT075 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingddd Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) Final Destination Battlefield Smashville Town & City Duck Hunt Lylat Cruise Are the most neutral stages so far. In terms of the Wii U. Yeah, FD is NOT neutral. It gives a big advantage to characters with projectiles. I find it to be a really boring stage anyway. I'd say Town and City is neutral. I see nothing ban-worthy about it. Luigi's Mansion and the FE stages are fairly neutral as well, imo, because they all gradually change from completely flat to full of platforms and vice versa. And they don't have any hazards. Luigi's Mansion has problems where the pillars block attacks/projectiles and you can tech out of a knockback because of the ceiling. Arena Ferox has the same issue with the platforms and the amount of statues that blocks your projectiles and knockbacks. Colliseum is not played because of the walk offs. Edited January 10, 2015 by kingddd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Not Coliseum, seeing as there are no cliffs whatsoever. While I agree with them being legal, I don't see Castle Siege or Arena Ferox as among the most neutral, either, due to the changes that happen. I never said they were among the most neutral... Just that they're fairly neutral, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Duck Hunt Ngl, i didnt realize there was a stage. Omg. That sounds gr9. I never said they were among the most neutral... Just that they're fairly neutral, imo. Hardly. Things rising and falling like that...If Castle Siege didnt do the mode shift like that, id agree, but that last phase, man...that last phase....D: Arena Ferox has like platforms and conveyors and junk too. If it werent for the falling lights, id say Boxing Ring would be a good contender. A bit huge tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) 3ds: FD/Omega, Battlefield, Yoshi's. Everything else has a weird significant (yoshi's platform doesn't count) stage thing that can mess stuff up. Wii U: FD/Omega, Battlefield, Smashville, maybe Lylat Cruise but I'd have this as a counterpick because it 4 stages makes stage striking weird. I guess town and city could work but Lylat Cruise being not entirely neutral imo might make it a total of 4 neutral stages again. There are a bunch of stages in the Wii U version that are close imo, but imo seem a bit too extreme in how they reward certain playstyles to be a neutral. Then again, I've only played the Wii U version 3 times so I haven't even played on all of the stages. Yeah, FD is NOT neutral. It gives a big advantage to characters with projectiles. I find it to be a really boring stage anyway. I'd say Town and City is neutral. I see nothing ban-worthy about it. Luigi's Mansion and the FE stages are fairly neutral as well, imo, because they all gradually change from completely flat to full of platforms and vice versa. And they don't have any hazards. that's why people do stage striking in tournaments. btw walk-offs are a big no-no. I do think Castle Siege is a good counterpick. Edited January 10, 2015 by Comet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Pilotwings and Skyworld are at least viable as counterpicks, if not starters. Castle Siege is generally considered comp-viable as well. Nobody's mentioned Halberd, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiac Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Pilotwings and Skyworld are at least viable as counterpicks, if not starters. Castle Siege is generally considered comp-viable as well. Nobody's mentioned Halberd, either. Halberd has bombs and lasers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingddd Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Halberd has bombs and lasers. it's mostly used for counterpick stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Halberd has bombs and lasers. Those stage hazards are barely a problem. It's like a Whispy Woods blowing on Dreamland kind of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Those stage hazards are barely a problem. It's like a Whispy Woods blowing on Dreamland kind of thing.At least Whispy can't kill you. I've seen matches end because of that claw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Those stage hazards are barely a problem. It's like a Whispy Woods blowing on Dreamland kind of thing. yeah, this is how it is 99.99% of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 At least Whispy can't kill you. I've seen matches end because of that claw. @1:45 Ok, but really, how often do you see that happen? I'll go ahead and answer that for you: almost never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 If we're talking about the most neutral stage, then Smashville is usually considered the universal start. That stage has a pretty good balance with a moving platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 What about Delfino Plaza? That one isn't too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samias Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Pilotwings In competitive play, Pilotwings is banned due to being too campy. Certain small characters can hide in little nooks in the plane that make them hard to approach. Jigglypuff and Pikachu for example have a huge advantage on that stage. Smashville is the "most neutral" stage according to most pro Smashers, as the single platform makes things more difficult to camp and helps with approaches, but it moves so they don't always have the advantage. Next would probably be Battlefield. Yoshi's Island and Town & City are not too bad though. Regular FD is usually replaced by omega Palutena's Temple because it resembles the FD platform more than some other omega configurations with an extremely neutral BG that lessens distractions. Castle Siege, Lylat Cruise, Delfino Plaza, Wuhu Island, Skyloft, and Pokemon Stadium 2 are usually tourney legal counterpick stages, but swing the battle more heavily in favour of one character over another. There's a lot of debate over omega stages. They're usually played as a counterpick but it turns out stages with grass actually change the ground physics noticeably and some omega form variations do feature partial or full grass coverage. It's not *exactly* like playing FD all the time so I think there will eventually even be a list of acceptable omega forms though an FD stage ban will ban every omega. Possibly. I don't think this will be entirely figured out until a few more major tournaments pass by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeDusk Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Pokemon Stadium 2 You sure about this? I thought it was outright banned in Brawl, due to the wind stage prolonging matches needlessly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 pretty sure a decent amount of people on the stage thread on smashboards are against stadium 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yeah, the original Pokémon Stadium from Melee was comp-viable, but Pokémon Stadium 2 is ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'm probably going to get alot of flak for this but I'm just curious what are your thoughts on Hyrule Temple? No items and such of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Too big and camping in the bottom portion makes matches go to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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