Terrador Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 1.) Those are not the same. The very comment you quoted states the same. Force =/= influence. 2.) People may enjoy a challenge, but often not one unsuited to their expectations or patience. Being used to easy games often makes people hesitant to play ones that feel too hard for them. You're also now making some silly claims about how other people think, the thing you think you criticize me for. 3. No. I did not suggest that, and I suggest you check what I did say if you don't yet know it. Stop trying to pick a fight, please. You're getting offended for no good reason and getting nowhere. Ah, forget it. You ain't even readin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) oh my this thread... In all seriousness... I don't see why everyone is blowing up at each other over something so ridiculous such as an OPTION in my opinion casual is a nice little way for people that want to try out the games can go without feeling the need to be pressured with permadeath and all that shit but people such as myself that have been playing the games before the option of casual was introduced, already can get used to most decisions or whatever no need or feel of elitism or whatever, i'm just playing a game that I enjoy, with it just having one mechanic that usually scares away most others in my opinion, if they want to bring casual mode back, go right ahead, it was an option in FE12 and FE13, so those new can get into the game and those used to permadeath can go for classic It's an OPTION on the game, dude no need to be at each others throats... Edited February 13, 2015 by Shockmaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Just gonna pose a quick question out of curiosity's sake. I think I'm in the minority, but am I seriously the only one of the veterans here actually invested in casual mode and actually have fun with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Geek Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Thank you for your sanity, I think I can stop beating my head on a rock now. Just gonna pose a quick question out of curiosity's sake. I think I'm in the minority, but am I seriously the only one of the veterans here actually invested in casual mode and actually have fun with it? I think I tried it once on one of my Lunatic attempts, but it felt wrong to me. I have nothing against its inclusion, but Casual ain't for me. Edited February 13, 2015 by The Geek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Just gonna pose a quick question out of curiosity's sake. I think I'm in the minority, but am I seriously the only one of the veterans here actually invested in casual mode and actually have fun with it? Not in the way it has been implemented so far, personally. If you apply casual to one of the other games without the other horribly unbalanced mechanics, I might be more open to it. The entire new engine is a travesty of balance. Casual doesn't help that at all. It amplifies it in my opinion, which does it no favors as a concept on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Protagonist Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I'm not an SF vet, but I'm a FE vet, at least counting in years. Personally, I've tried casual, but it just felt wrong to me, like the stakes were gone and the whole experience kind of fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega zero Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 "Higuchi: That’s right. So because we wanted not only beginners, but also the ‘lapsed’ Fire Emblem players to be able to casually enjoy the game, we decided that, instead of only making it a part of a certain difficulty level, we would let the players decide whether or not characters could be revived. Ultimately we wanted to let the players choose the way they would play the game. Targeting not only beginners, but everyone, who wanted to enjoy the game casually, we decided to call the mode with the ability to revive characters ‘Casual’. And for the people who wanted to play this game in the same way as always, we called the other mode ‘Classic’." "Ultimately we wanted to let the players choose the way they would play the game." I guess in the end they were convinced to give player choice more weight than a traditional feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topazd Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) "Higuchi: That’s right. So because we wanted not only beginners, but also the ‘lapsed’ Fire Emblem players to be able to casually enjoy the game, we decided that, instead of only making it a part of a certain difficulty level, we would let the players decide whether or not characters could be revived. Ultimately we wanted to let the players choose the way they would play the game. Targeting not only beginners, but everyone, who wanted to enjoy the game casually, we decided to call the mode with the ability to revive characters ‘Casual’. And for the people who wanted to play this game in the same way as always, we called the other mode ‘Classic’." "Ultimately we wanted to let the players choose the way they would play the game." I guess in the end they were convinced to give player choice more weight than a traditional feature. Eh, fair enough. Of course, I'm always going to argue that Casual mode would be better left out, but I think this particular thread deserves its rest from arguing already, haha. Edited February 14, 2015 by Topazd255 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awakener_ Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Just gonna pose a quick question out of curiosity's sake. I think I'm in the minority, but am I seriously the only one of the veterans here actually invested in casual mode and actually have fun with it? Definitely not, I run a casual F-Robin file to mainly enjoy the different supports I can got with ease without dealing with deaths and all that frustrations in my main Luna+ file. It is a great relaxing tool for those who had beaten the game at the highest difficultly that want a break. I am extremely pooped after Luna+ and casual mode got me right back into the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Just gonna pose a quick question out of curiosity's sake. I think I'm in the minority, but am I seriously the only one of the veterans here actually invested in casual mode and actually have fun with it? You're not the only one, Rey. If I just want to blaze through a game with a new avatar without fussing over difficulty, normal casual is a pretty nice way to go. I played lunatic classic to prove to myself I can, but I play on the easier modes just to goof around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I like casual for practicing speedrunning tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega zero Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Not a SF vet, and I don't know if I'll ever play on Casual. Though I doubt I will, since I spend more time talking and thinking about how the games could be better/possible new features rather than actually playing the latest installment. Edited February 14, 2015 by omega zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) "Ultimately we wanted to let the players choose the way they would play the game." I guess in the end they were convinced to give player choice more weight than a traditional feature. So, with even some people here enjoying casual... why can't we just agree with the devs?Removing a feature should have an overwhelming benefit to justify it. Edited February 14, 2015 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interest Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 As someone who typically plays on Classic Mode (I just prefer that mode, to be honest), yes, Casual Mode should return. If people want to choose to make the game less punishing, thus increasing how approachable the game is in such a way that numbers don't have to be tweaked (as in another vector of altering difficulty), then sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feplus Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Went back through the thread and counted up all the posts that were either hostile or insulting. I found just ten. Nine came from people arguing on behalf of Casual Mode (like half of which were Sunwoo), and the other one was me sarcastically copy-pasting another hostile quote. There really isn't much popcorn / drama here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Protagonist Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Went back through the thread and counted up all the posts that were either hostile or insulting. I found just ten. Nine came from people arguing on behalf of Casual Mode (like half of which were Sunwoo), and the other one was me sarcastically copy-pasting another hostile quote. There really isn't much popcorn / drama here. Was that really necessary? And after people only just stopped fighting? Edited February 14, 2015 by The Protagonist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feplus Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Sure. I thought it was odd how some were calling for moderators and bemoaning how uncivil this thread was, so there's some semi-hard numbers. This is a contentious issue and I think people have behaved themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 So, with even some people here enjoying casual... why can't we just agree with the devs? Removing a feature should have an overwhelming benefit to justify it. If you want people to enjoy the pleasant feeling of tension that you enjoy (you being someone who loves Classic, like the devs and many fans), will adding Casual mode help you convert them, or will it make them feel even more comfortable in dismissing Classic mode indefinitely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Protagonist Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 It varies person to person, but I think the overall effect could be more towards the former with some incentive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 If you want people to enjoy the pleasant feeling of tension that you enjoy (you being someone who loves Classic, like the devs and many fans), will adding Casual mode help you convert them, or will it make them feel even more comfortable in dismissing Classic mode indefinitely? If they choose to do so, that's their choice. Sure, it would be nice if they went and played Classic mode and I'm sure people do, but if they just want to pick up the game for a bit while they have the time and finish a chapter, they can use Casual mode for that. Doesn't make anyone less of a player for what mode they pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Went back through the thread and counted up all the posts that were either hostile or insulting. I found just ten. Nine came from people arguing on behalf of Casual Mode (like half of which were Sunwoo), and the other one was me sarcastically copy-pasting another hostile quote. There really isn't much popcorn / drama here. Is calling out names really needed? Really the entire reason the heat started was some disagreements which you then decided to sprinkle kindling on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 If they choose to do so, that's their choice. Sure, it would be nice if they went and played Classic mode and I'm sure people do, but if they just want to pick up the game for a bit while they have the time and finish a chapter, they can use Casual mode for that. Doesn't make anyone less of a player for what mode they pick. You didn't answer the question. The goal is to get them to appreciate the same thing as me. When developing a game, I have to make decisions that will affect the player's choice and steer them towards the one I want them to make. Same with any work of art and interpretation you want them to get from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega zero Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The devs could indeed add some 'secret ending' or post game quests that are only available in classic mode, and give the reason that it is a reward to players for being loyal to the original structure. Another way to encourage players to try Classic is to flat out create and advertise official advanced tactics videos that you can watch on your 3DS. Don't they have such videos for the latest Smash games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Lightning Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I liked the idea of casual mode and hope it returns. Even as someone who has played all the other FEs as they came out in the west, its nice to be able to turn off the permadeath at my leisure and play run of the game, I dunno, casually. As in, not having to worry about whether I left a flier in range of an archer I didn't see/forgot about or hoping that my unit survives an onslaught of enemies at a critical chokepoint in the enemy phase. Those situtuations are great gameplay experiences and all, but I like to have the option to not have to stress over those and potentially redo a chapter when I don't feel like I need the extra challenge. And casual mode hasn't detracted from my enjoyment of classic at all; in fact, sometimes I feel like they compliment each other, and make me appreciate the different strategies I can do in the other. So yeah. Options are good. Options are great. They cater to as many as possible, and that's awesome~! Just gonna pose a quick question out of curiosity's sake. I think I'm in the minority, but am I seriously the only one of the veterans here actually invested in casual mode and actually have fun with it? Definitely not! Its fun to screw around with things I'd normally not be able to do in other FE games. And have a nice vacation from unit loss stress. ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Protagonist Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 If they choose to do so, that's their choice. Sure, it would be nice if they went and played Classic mode and I'm sure people do, but if they just want to pick up the game for a bit while they have the time and finish a chapter, they can use Casual mode for that. Doesn't make anyone less of a player for what mode they pick. I think you're missing the point. No one's calling anyone else less of the player, and that was never really a point of contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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