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It has nothing to do with you not participating in RVS the point is you aren't adding anything significant. And it's true, the idea of discussing what should occur given a flip when there isn't going to be a flip for 3 days accomplishes nothing and it actually delays the town from having anything substantial to go of of. That is the basis of the case. And quite frankly it's true.

And if you actually expect me to go through your posts and explain to you why using fancier words than the situation dictates then just no.

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basically you're trying to paint my actions in a bad light without actually looking for any scum intent. trying to sound controversial isn't alignment relevant, yet somehow that's a bad thing in your eyes. it's rather presumptuous of you to say that i'm "trying to sound pro-active without really doing anything" when literally nothing has happened. maybe i'm being reactionary here, but it just annoys me how your initial impression seems to be that i'm scummy and then you're trying to justify why that's right rather than reaching that conclusion through a logical progression of any sort (this is bad because that's what scum does, or at least something that i do as scum when i'm having trouble naturally formulating content).

Declaring that you will not be participating in RVS is kinda like saying "Just so you guys are aware, I'm going to just sit here a not contribute for a bit." While I'm not going to claim that RVS is the end-all, be-all to catching scum Day One, posting to say that you're not going to participate without suggesting any alternate means of action isn't very productive, and that kind of behavior only benefits scum. In addition, your reaction does seem a bit larger than what would be expected from someone who only has one, relatively weak vote on them early Day One.

Then again, your post about not wanting to contribute to RVS is helping us get out of RVS, so there is that.

##Unvote, ##Vote: A True Friend.

On a slightly different note, why do you think Roleblocker should act if we lynch scum but not Town? Theoretically, there's a higher chance for them to hit scum if there's two scum as opposed to one.

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It has nothing to do with you not participating in RVS the point is you aren't adding anything significant. And it's true, the idea of discussing what should occur given a flip when there isn't going to be a flip for 3 days accomplishes nothing and it actually delays the town from having anything substantial to go of of. That is the basis of the case. And quite frankly it's true.

And if you actually expect me to go through your posts and explain to you why using fancier words than the situation dictates then just no.

how does me not adding anything significant at the very beginning of the game make me scum (by that logic, most of the game is scum). town had nothing substantial to go of of anyways at the time, hence why I asked it then before something came up.

one quote is all i ask.

Declaring that you will not be participating in RVS is kinda like saying "Just so you guys are aware, I'm going to just sit here a not contribute for a bit." While I'm not going to claim that RVS is the end-all, be-all to catching scum Day One, posting to say that you're not going to participate without suggesting any alternate means of action isn't very productive, and that kind of behavior only benefits scum. In addition, your reaction does seem a bit larger than what would be expected from someone who only has one, relatively weak vote on them early Day One.

Then again, your post about not wanting to contribute to RVS is helping us get out of RVS, so there is that.

##Unvote, ##Vote: A True Friend.

On a slightly different note, why do you think Roleblocker should act if we lynch scum but not Town? Theoretically, there's a higher chance for them to hit scum if there's two scum as opposed to one.

if i was scum, i would've just not posted rather than saying that i'm not going to care about RVS posts.

yes, roleblocker should act if we lynch scum. worst case scenario, we get a clear (unless both of the roleblockers target each other, i guess, but what are the chances of that).

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since i know someone is going to ask "so why don't you have any reads on the other people voting you", i'm just going to say that it's hard to read them at the moment. i think their logic is horrible and being bandwagoned for dumb reasons (although i suppose noone thinks they're bandwagoned for good reasons) is frustrating, but nothing actually stands out as something i'd be ok with voting them for at the moment. i'll probably have expanded thoughts when people talk about someone else except me.

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how does me not adding anything significant at the very beginning of the game make me scum (by that logic, most of the game is scum). town had nothing substantial to go of of anyways at the time, hence why I asked it then before something came up.

one quote is all i ask.

The reason why it's significant that you not having anything significant is that you quite simply have the most posts in the game. Fair or not that means people expected something out of you. And tense is important here, I said aren't not hadn't. This means I'm not nitpicking the lack of content in the original post so much as the lack of content in the subsequent votes. Though I will continue to say that talking about something that is at least 3 days away is pointless.

if i was scum, i would've just not posted rather than saying that i'm not going to care about RVS posts.

yes, roleblocker should act if we lynch scum. worst case scenario, we get a clear (unless both of the roleblockers target each other, i guess, but what are the chances of that).

And just a quick expansion on this, why wouldn't we have the roleblocker still take action if we lynch town?
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The reason why it's significant that you not having anything significant is that you quite simply have the most posts in the game. Fair or not that means people expected something out of you. And tense is important here, I said aren't not hadn't. This means I'm not nitpicking the lack of content in the original post so much as the lack of content in the subsequent votes. Though I will continue to say that talking about something that is at least 3 days away is pointless.

And just a quick expansion on this, why wouldn't we have the roleblocker still take action if we lynch town?

i voted one person and said person has not been on to respond. the rest of my posts have been responding to cases on myself, from people who i am not bothered by. there has been no other content on the game that has not been focused on me. therefore, the fact that you expect me to have more content is ludicrous.

because the roleblocker won't clear someone if there are two scum, and will be wasted.

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I disagree that set-up speculation is that as good material for discussion as votes.

Votes have weight to them. They affect who gets lynched.

Town in A True Friend's position would want to make something happen.

I would like to propose the question: if you don't want to participate in RVS, and believe there is no harm in doing so, why do you need to go out of your way to point that out?

Because it looks to me like A True Friend was seeking refuge in audacity.

I have trouble believing A True Friend isn't aware that RVS is the general standard for mafia on SF.


Sanaki's posts make me feel rather uneasy.

Their vote on A True Friend is OK, but after A True Friend responds, Sanaki does not stick around to engage her.

Also, "a bit larger" is weasel words. Though I find A True Friend scummy, why would town not want to defend themselves as well as scum in this position?

Because of this, their approach strikes me as passive. Whatever though.

By the way, get a real avatar.

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I disagree that set-up speculation is that as good material for discussion as votes.

Votes have weight to them. They affect who gets lynched.
Town in A True Friend's position would want to make something happen.
I would like to propose the question: if you don't want to participate in RVS, and believe there is no harm in doing so, why do you need to go out of your way to point that out?
Because it looks to me like A True Friend was seeking refuge in audacity.
I have trouble believing A True Friend isn't aware that RVS is the general standard for mafia on SF.

noone should be lynched because of RVS votes. i did want to make something happen, and the first thing that came to mind was discussing information that everyone knew about. yes, perhaps not the bastion of productivity, but thinking back, i can't think of anything more productive that i could have done in that situation so whatever. i went out of my way to point it out because i knew that someone would point it out, so i preempted them. it's not a refuge in audacity because there is nothing inherently wrong or scummy with not voting in RVS (unlike say self voting). yes, it's standard procedure and has not helped catch scum in any of the games that i've played, which is why i don't care for it.

also i can't tell what your thoughts are on sanaki. if you are scumreading me, i don't get what your issues with them would be. if i was scum and they were scum bussing me, i'd assume they'd be more active and less passive due to knowing that i was scum.

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1. OMGUS vote this early.

2. Really pretentious language deters me from actually reading your post.

1. quit whining

2. quit whining

don't like your wording on that first line. i'm not participating in RVS. this is not a claim, this is a fact. additionally, how is it not better material for discussion than votes which have never helped catch scum. in fact my post provoked your reaction (which in turn provoked this post), which has already done more for the game than all of the useless RVS votes have, checkmate atheists.

it doesn't need to be linked to alignment, nor did i ever claim for it to be linked to alignment. maybe i am just trying to see if what i think is the optimal course for night actions is indeed the optimal course for night actions. the whole reason i asked the question now instead of later was so that it wouldn't get in the way of actual discussion.

basically you're trying to paint my actions in a bad light without actually looking for any scum intent. trying to sound controversial isn't alignment relevant, yet somehow that's a bad thing in your eyes. it's rather presumptuous of you to say that i'm "trying to sound pro-active without really doing anything" when literally nothing has happened. maybe i'm being reactionary here, but it just annoys me how your initial impression seems to be that i'm scummy and then you're trying to justify why that's right rather than reaching that conclusion through a logical progression of any sort (this is bad because that's what scum does, or at least something that i do as scum when i'm having trouble naturally formulating content).

he's a believer. probably mafia aligned

it's pretty obvious why 2hu is after you though; you're highlighting the points that 2hu is saying about you without providing the concrete evidence in which you're chastising him for not producing in his own arguments. you even posted it yourself, about yourself

1. just go and stay gone. try actually reading my post instead of mislabeling it as an OMGUS with no effort put in whatsoever to understand where i'm coming from.

2. would like some examples of how my post is really prententious. i'm genuinely curious about this one, because i'm not RPing or anything of the sort.

1. the snark isn't helping your case. also, you've tripped over your own words. you argue that wadatsumi should not call your vote an OMGUS, when you yourself refer to your own case as at least a potential value what you find wadatsumi scummy for

maybe i'm being reactionary here, but it just annoys me how your initial impression seems to be that i'm scummy and then you're trying to justify why that's right rather than reaching that conclusion through a logical progression of any sort

for the record, this is was a pretty underhanded setup and your efforts to capitalize on the reaction don't make me view your play in a better light

##Vote A True Friend

2. using the word pretentious and presumptuous seems to flare up adrenaline on forums. communicating with proper grammar tends to do the same.

It has nothing to do with you not participating in RVS the point is you aren't adding anything significant. And it's true, the idea of discussing what should occur given a flip when there isn't going to be a flip for 3 days accomplishes nothing and it actually delays the town from having anything substantial to go of of. That is the basis of the case. And quite frankly it's true.

And if you actually expect me to go through your posts and explain to you why using fancier words than the situation dictates then just no.

the irony behind this whole thing is, this controversial debate is probably the single most substantial thing that town has to work off of. unexpectedly, this post is pretty effective at identifying the likely alignment of its creator

Declaring that you will not be participating in RVS is kinda like saying "Just so you guys are aware, I'm going to just sit here a not contribute for a bit." While I'm not going to claim that RVS is the end-all, be-all to catching scum Day One, posting to say that you're not going to participate without suggesting any alternate means of action isn't very productive, and that kind of behavior only benefits scum. In addition, your reaction does seem a bit larger than what would be expected from someone who only has one, relatively weak vote on them early Day One.

this is pretty much accurate and i don't feel like typing what's already been said

how does me not adding anything significant at the very beginning of the game make me scum (by that logic, most of the game is scum). town had nothing substantial to go of of anyways at the time, hence why I asked it then before something came up.

if i was scum, i would've just not posted rather than saying that i'm not going to care about RVS posts.

you abstaining from participation means that you're not even adding insignificant effort to the game.

what benefit is this statement supposed to offer

Sanaki's posts make me feel rather uneasy.

Their vote on A True Friend is OK, but after A True Friend responds, Sanaki does not stick around to engage her.
Also, "a bit larger" is weasel words. Though I find A True Friend scummy, why would town not want to defend themselves as well as scum in this position?
Because of this, their approach strikes me as passive. Whatever though.
By the way, get a real avatar.

worth noting for later. though, define "weasel words" please

also it has not been that long since sanaki posted and was responded to. this looks like a stretch

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Phantom of the Opera should post something while he's in the thread, before SB gets here.

I can't help but feel bad about this because I didn't even feel strongly about A True Friend being scum. I just thought light pressure would start something.

Big plays bigger throws.

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"Curse you for going to bed SB" - me

A True Friend (5): Noerin, Wadatsumi, 2hu porn star, Sanaki, dondont151

dondont151 (1): Phantom of the Opera

Wadatsumi (1): A True Friend

Not voting: everyone else

A True Friend has been lynched! They were:

A True Friend (not Fiend), you are a Vanilla Townie. You have no special abilities.

You win when the mafia is dead.
It is now N1. N1 ends whenever SB says it does.
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