Radiant head Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) I don't even know why Lucy and Stefan are on that list. They have like 0 availability, so comparing them to the other 3 is pretty moot. I still DT Lucy and use her, but w/e. No one cares about her, anyway. He's actually not that uncomparable. It's kind of difficult to level Zihark to be up to Stefan's bases on hard mode, so it's not a stretch for Stefan to be preferable for endgame. Edited March 12, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 He's actually not that uncomparable. It's kind of difficult to level Zihark to be up to Stefan's bases on hard mode, so it's not a stretch for Stefan to be preferable for endgame. the problem is that A your generly not bringing trueblades in effeciency B stefan doesnt exist C No oliver Utility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Mia's way up there for good unit choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRadiantShark Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Dude how is this a question?! Have you seen Edward's jacket?! He goes from plebian to trench coach awesomness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I think Edward's only weakpoint is part 3. His affinity doesn't let him to be on the front line unlike Zihark. Two tigers will kill him and wrath will kill himself. Even resolve doesn't prevent him by hits. However I've managed to give him some levels with paragon and attacking the laguz in wrath-zone with range weapons. A pretty damn good combination for him to get some levels. In part 4 I send to him to Tibarn's group to benefit from his four authority stars. It helps him a lot. Zihark is only good in hard mode thanks to his earth affinity. Compared to Edward his strength and defense growth suck . Growthwise Edward is the clear winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) the problem is that A your generly not bringing trueblades in effeciency If you only care about efficiency, then you're hardly bringing in any beroc units. But Trueblades have two SS weapons, wrymslayers, and can double auras without white tide so they're far from bad choices for endgame. Edited March 12, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 If you only care about efficiency, then you're hardly bringing in any beroc units. But Trueblades have two SS weapons, wrymslayers, and can double auras without white tide so they're far from bad choices for endgame. If you read C I said Stefan doesnt exist because royal stomp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I think Edward's only weakpoint is part 3. His affinity doesn't let him to be on the front line unlike Zihark. Two tigers will kill him and wrath will kill himself. Even resolve doesn't prevent him by hits. However I've managed to give him some levels with paragon and attacking the laguz in wrath-zone with range weapons. A pretty damn good combination for him to get some levels. In part 4 I send to him to Tibarn's group to benefit from his four authority stars. It helps him a lot. Zihark is only good in hard mode thanks to his earth affinity. Compared to Edward his strength and defense growth suck . Growthwise Edward is the clear winner. WRT growths: I'll given you that Zihark's strength growth isn't so hot compared to Edward's. On the defensive end? Edward's defense growth is a whopping 10% higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 WRT growths: I'll given you that Zihark's strength growth isn't so hot compared to Edward's. On the defensive end? Edward's defense growth is a whopping 10% higher. Edward has way better potential. Compare for yourself: Edward Zihark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 But like, BEXP exists specifically to skew averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Edward has way better potential. Compare for yourself: Edward Zihark Potential means jack shit to me when you're a PITA to work with. And this is coming from someone who's managed to get away with training frigging FIONA. Edited March 12, 2015 by Levant Caprice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Yeah in normal mode it's no problem, but in hard mode it's a different thing. In hard mode I don't waste all my rare bexp. to max out Zihark's strength and defense. Zihark for the endgame? No thanks! Edited March 12, 2015 by Mister IceTeaPeach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Man, when was 'way better potential' half a point of str, and like 2 def, both of which you can just make up with BEXP? Res is arguably a better defensive stat in endgame anyway, which Zihark wins in spades. With bexp being a thing, honestly, Zihark/Mia/Edward will all cap their relevant stats. That's why Edward isn't great, since despite being a growth unit who takes more effort, he isn't actually any better in the end. In EM/NM your unit choice literally doesn't matter you can use anyone and it'll be fine. They're all pretty well equal there. In HM Edward is pretty well obsolete the second you get Nolan. If you're optimistic he remains almost relevant until Sothe, but after that he just doesn't make notable contributions. Most GMs also face notable offense issues on HM since they don't double, that Mia doesn't suffer from due to her high speed. She doesn't ORKO right away, but like, almost no one does, and she can proc things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Res is arguably a better defensive stat in endgame anyway, which Zihark wins in spades. Not to mention, Trueblades shouldn't be taking hits to begin with, and Zihark's got that Earth affinity going for him. Zihark for the endgame? No thanks! Worked fine in my pt. Edited March 12, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Yeah in normal mode it's no problem, but in hard mode it's a different thing. In hard mode I don't waste all my rare bexp. to max out Zihark's strength and defense. Zihark for the endgame? No thanks! Likewise, I'm not going to bust my ass to work with Edward when all I get out of him for all the trouble is marginal wins in two stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 How is res more important than def in the endgame? It's only really relevant against Sephiran and Ashera. In 4-E you can destroy all the tails in your attack range in turn 1. And if even then you can place your units on a wardwood space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Edward's got the best potential, Zihark has better defenses and avoid, Mia's in the middle and is the easiest to train. So I voted Lucia for Lulz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 How is res more important than def in the endgame? It's only really relevant against Sephiran and Ashera. In 4-E you can destroy all the tails in your attack range in turn 1. And if even then you can place your units on a wardwood space. Maybe it's BECAUSE of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 You forgot about white Dragons in 4-E-3, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Sleep staves are the most threatening thing in E-1, so res helps against them(and Lekain, for what it's worth) E-2 no one cares, E-3 white dragons are more dangerous than reds and unless you're a royal, you're not avoiding a 2HKO from Dheg so def only matters to the extent that you don't get one shot(not that TBs are good against Dheg anyway), and then def just doesn't matter against anything past that. Man, I'm glad I have def against those... E-1 armours? Man, those suuuure are the things I'm worried about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Maybe it's BECAUSE of them? In E-1 you can kill the bishop with the sleep stave in turn 1 with pass and a heron. Same goes for the two long range magic users. It's also possible to kill Hetzel too with a flier, parity and boots. The number of white and red dragons and E-3 is equal. Deghinsea is a physical unit. In E-4 you have some tails and Sephiran, who can be wrecked easily (even in turn 1). And in E-5 you fight only three enemy tails and Ashera herself. However you'll use your low res. units to attack the auras of course. Edited March 12, 2015 by Mister IceTeaPeach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) In E-1 you can kill the bishop with the sleep stave in turn 1 with pass and a heron. Same goes for the two long range magic users. It's also possible to kill Hetzel too with a flier, parity and boots. The number of white and red dragons and E-3 is equal. Deghinsea is a physical unit. In E-4 you have some tails and Sephiran, who can be wrecked easily (even in turn 1). And in E-5 you fight only three enemy tails and Ashera herself. However you'll use your low res. units to attack the auras of course. Either way, those are the ones with more potential to be annoying than any of the physical units, pretty much all of which are armors.. The whites are more accurate, and thus more dangerous. As for Dheg, defense doesn't matter much once you have enough to avoid being one-hitted. Even if they aren't that strong, the damage can add up if they gang up on a low res unit. The three that start out on the map already get her 25 hit boost, and others come in. Edited March 12, 2015 by Levant Caprice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) The whites are more accurate, and thus more dangerous. Double bow can 1RKO and wishblade / vague katti / urvan + dragonfoe can one shot them (except they're on a cover space). You can kill are the white dragons close to you in turn 1 (without getting any damage). The three that start out on the map already get her 25 hit boost, and others come in. You should finish her in turn 2 anway so you don't have to focus on the reinforcements. Edited March 12, 2015 by Mister IceTeaPeach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Really, now? You couldn't, you know, have your response OUTSIDE the quote box??? Either way, there's only one Dragonfoe to go around. As to the second part, maybe that'd only really be feasible if I bring Rafiel, which I don't, and bring in more laguz royals (again, that ain't something I do, more out of personal preference). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 You realize that saying that we're rushing endgame is just a point against Edward, since as a growth unit, this /should/ be his time to shine. All of the trueblades aside from Lucia are mostly interchangable in endgame, with Edward taking the most effort to get there, without any real advantage over the others. It's not a difficult prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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