Peter The Cool Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) -Both have to be Level 20 Swordmaster (caps same as game) -FE 6 Karel vs FE 12 Nabarl (They are stronger.) Well FE 7 Karel 2 more Spd, but over all FE 6 Karel is better -Karel uses Wo dao -Nabarl uses Killing Edge Things that don't count: -Awakening -Stat boosters -Any Items -Supports -Any thing outside out the battle. Edited March 20, 2015 by London Hargrove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Who would win and why? Calculations of course Prime FE12 Navarre wins on each itteration of karel Im using for my calculations 20/20 FE6 karel ane 20/20 fe7 karel via averages rounded down or up traditionaly and FE12 20/20 navvaru This uses Binding Blade+30 Innate Crit on Swordmasters and FE6 Weaponry FE6@Karel 20/20: HP:46 Str:21 Skl:29 Spd:24 Luck:19 Def:16 Res:14 FE7@Karel 20/20: HP:39 Str:20 Skl:29 Spd:26 Luck:19 Def:14 Res:14 FE12@Nabarl 20/20 SM: HP:57 Str:24 Skl:29 Spd:30 Luck:29 Def:16 Res:5 If you really want a battle we have Wo Dao Karel VS Killing Edge Nabarl Binding blade calcs: Nabarls Battle Stats: Atk:33 Hit:143 Crit:74 Avoid:109 Critical Evade:29 Karels@FE6 Battle Stats: Atk:29 Hit:138 Crit:84 Avoid:87 Critical Evade:19 Karels@FE7 Battle Stats: Atk:28 Hit:138 Crit:84 Avoid:91 Critical Evade:19 Edit:Calcs Karels@FE6/FE7 Displayed Hit on Nabarl: 138-109=29 Displayed Hit Nabarls Displayed Hit on Karels@FE7/FE6: 143-91=52 Displayed hit on FE7 Karel 143-87=56 Displayed hit on FE6 Karel Nabarls Displayed Crit on the Karel duo: 74-19=55 Karels FE6/FE7 Displayed Crit on Nabarl: 84-29=55 Nabarl True Hit: 61.72% On FE6 Karel 54.40% On FE7 Karel Karels True Hit: 17.11% On Nabarl Everyones True Crit: 59.95% True Crit The damage Nabarl takes from the Karels critical and non critical: 28-16=12 29-16=13 12x3=36 2HKO on critical 13x3=39 2HKO on critical The damage Nabarl inflicts on Karel critical and non critical: 33-16=17 damage 33-14=19 damage 17x3=51 OHKO 19x3=57 OHKO P.S:This doesnt use crits=100% Accuracy The Battle Nabarl VS FE6 Karel: Nabarl Hits Critical on Karel Karel is dead (btw FE6 karel is doubled by navarre Lol same as FE7 Karel) The Battle Nabarl VS FE7 Karel: Nabarl Hits Criticals Karel on 2nd attack or 1st attack OHKO Karel is dead Nabarl is the winner Edited March 20, 2015 by TTPK_Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) FE6 Karel? FE7 Karel? (Same caps but Durandal v no Durandal access is a thing to consider, as well as Supports) FE1/3/11/12 Nabarl? IMO FE6 Karel because: FE6@Karel 20/20 after unlimited boosters purchase HP:60 Str:24 Skl:29 Spd:30 Luck:30 Def:22 Res:23 Mov:15 Con:25 Durandal gives 17+5 Atk and is effective against reclassed flier!Nabarl Supports for Crit and CEV in FE11/12 are negligible at best, where Karel is saying fuck you to any crit that Nabarl might have even with forges. *Edit* Can you forge the Glass Sword in FE12? Idk maybe with a bunch of boosters like Rainbow Pot and Cancer etc in FE12, his stats might exceed Karel's, but with supports, Karel's still looking at a boatload of Hit/AVO/Crt/CEV where in FE12, forging only offsets Hit and Crt and supports are unimpressive since he needs all 3 of his supports present. Open ended question is open ended Edited March 20, 2015 by Sara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) FE6 Karel? FE7 Karel? (Same caps but Durandal v no Durandal access is a thing to consider, as well as Supports) FE1/3/11/12 Nabarl? IMO FE6 Karel because: FE6@Karel 20/20 after unlimited boosters purchase HP:60 Str:24 Skl:29 Spd:30 Luck:30 Def:22 Res:23 Mov:15 Con:25 Durandal gives 17+5 Atk and is effective against reclassed flier!Nabarl Supports for Crit and CEV in FE11/12 are negligible at best, where Karel is saying fuck you to any crit that Nabarl might have even with forges. *Edit* Can you forge the Glass Sword in FE12? Idk maybe with a bunch of boosters like Rainbow Pot and Cancer etc in FE12, his stats might exceed Karel's, but with supports, Karel's still looking at a boatload of Hit/AVO/Crt/CEV where in FE12, forging only offsets Hit and Crt and supports are unimpressive since he needs all 3 of his supports present. Open ended question is open ended I made a calc of them using there Iconic weaponry and average stats and Nabarl doubles that durandal Karel anyway if karel gets durandal nabarl gets hero sword and then its ulti rape FE1/FE3 nabarl is a merc so that swordmaster battle isnt really valid as swordmasters were added in FE4 so its or FE11 nabarl or FE12 nabarl Karel wont fight with other people this is 1v1 the battle cant happen with supports because then we have Nabarl is supported by this following units in fe12: Marth The Avatar Ogma Karel will likely be: B Fir B Bartre The fight is even going to turn out rather the same as in my calcs anyway Rainbow potion 20/20 Nabarl with all stat boosters ingame is stronger then karel so yea the most hypothetical fight would be average stats and iconic weaponry Edited March 20, 2015 by TTPK_Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter The Cool Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 I don't think that "unlimited boosters purchase" counts. And as for which Karel/Navarre, I would think it would be FE 6 vs FE 12, because that's the where they are strongest.(for the most part) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 If no boosters, then no supports? Rainbow potion/Constellations allowed for 12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter The Cool Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 No Rainbow potion/Constellations allowed for 12 too. Plus if we want to add items Navarre would win because Navarre is in Awakening... I still dont know why Awakening has super high caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 No Rainbow potion/Constellations allowed for 12 too. Plus if we want to add items Navarre would win because Navarre is in Awakening... I still dont know why Awakening has super high caps. Karel is in Awakening as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter The Cool Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 well...you got me there. Lets not count Awakening then. LOL we are not counting a lot of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Edit your Opening Post so that we have a concise list of what's not inclusive in this comparison. Otherwise it's like comparing two different kinds of fruits Edited March 20, 2015 by Sara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENS Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Karla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Karla ^ Fucking Wisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter The Cool Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Karla ^ Fucking Wisdom LOL This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Whichever one is luckier, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Karel doesn't matter, still voted for him. or let's say, Karel doesn't matter, he still is better, heh Edited March 20, 2015 by Gradivus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiToastExplosion Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Oguma/Dieck/Raven are better than both *shots fired* Swordmaster is my favorite class, but I wonder why you picked these two in particular. Especially since Karel is always pre-promote and Guy/Rutger are a thing, hell, even Joshua. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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