Shadow Mir Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I wouldn't really consider Bartre underrated, because 3 base speed is still failtastic, no matter which way you slice it, and combined with Warriors having absolutely awful promotion bonuses (no speed WTF), he's stuck relying on his okay-but-not-great speed growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 FE7 showed me impressively how slow fighters were: Dorcas, Batre and Ross in FE8 are so goddamn slow. My least favorite class in the GBA triology, even worse than knights for me. I liked to use Lot in FE6 earlygame, but he belonged to the victims, because axes and lances are so ridiculous inaccurate. Never used any axeusers in FE6 (except for promoted Alance) and it won't change at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 FE7 showed me impressively how slow fighters were: Dorcas, Batre and Ross in FE8 are so goddamn slow. My least favorite class in the GBA triology, even worse than knights for me. I liked to use Lot in FE6 earlygame, but he belonged to the victims, because axes and lances are so ridiculous inaccurate. Never used any axeusers in FE6 (except for promoted Alance) and it won't change at all. Agreed - I personally give all fighters other than Geitz a wide berth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 raven isn't getting axes until atleast chapter 23 if i recall correctly, sides he doesn't have the con for anything other then an iron. even that slows him down i think, and Bartre has joining times on Harken. (not to mention harken might not exist in a player's run, but he should if they know what they are doing because Harken is hilariously good), neither one of these are primary axe users either.Raven has more than enough Speed to counteract CON problems. If you're comparing him to Bartre, Raven's Speed lead is way bigger than Bartre's CON lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Who cares if they aren't primary axe users if they do the job better than one That just says primary axe users mostly suck, no Hell I had more luck getting Isadora to use axes (out of a challenge) than using Bartre Edited May 31, 2015 by Thor Odinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Sword Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 None of the GBA fighters are that great really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 None of the GBA fighters are that great really. Garcia is probably the best out of all of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Sword Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I agree, but that doesn't amount to much given that despite how slow most enemies are in FE8, Garcia still has trouble doubling even them. He's still better than Ross though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I like Garcia. Dude's available forever and puts Ross's hatchet to good use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Garcia is probably the best out of all of them Even if he is, that ain't saying much, given that he's a schmuck, too... Edited June 1, 2015 by Levant Caprice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Garcia is ok for earlygame, that's it! 20% speed growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Hero promotion+speedwings is a +4 spd boost. Iirc, 20/1 Hero Garcia with wings is about 12 speed. That's about all you need to orko 80% of the game. and don't forget, no AS loss from anything except the devil axe. anyways, I think fe5 Ralph is underrated. Sure, he has no real skills, but he's perfectly usable and doesn't need any special resources! He's totally the average joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) I think Luka from Tear Ring Saga is a bit underrated. Luka doesn't have an easy existence. If you want this guy, you have to pass up on the gamebreaking Narron and the ridiculously useful Lee. Not to mention that his own sister quickly joins with her massive stats and the powerful Master Bow that only she can use for a long, long time. However, I really don't think he is all that useless. And I would definitely put him above Ezekiel. The game has a lot of situations were archers are quite useful, like when dealing with Harpies and Zombie Dragons. Also, Gargoyles. He also has some of the better growths in the game. 40% in speed is quite nice in TRS. So he can often use heavy weapons without loosing the ability to double attack. Also, he learns Charge, which is a Command Move in this game. With that, he can simply rain down arrows on enemies until they die. Edited June 2, 2015 by BrightBow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Hero promotion+speedwings is a +4 spd boost. Iirc, 20/1 Hero Garcia with wings is about 12 speed. That's about all you need to orko 80% of the game. and don't forget, no AS loss from anything except the devil axe. If you ask me, the fact he needs all that to get to that point says a lot about him - none of it good. Also, Garcia doesn't get any Con if promoted to Hero.. Edited June 2, 2015 by Levant Caprice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titamon Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 14 Con is more than enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 If you ask me, the fact he needs all that to get to that point says a lot about him - none of it good. Also, Garcia doesn't get any Con if promoted to Hero.. noone else really wants a speedwings. I mean seriously, it's fe8. The ONLY exceptions I can think of (my knowledge on this is a little outdated) is an LTC run in Ephraim route. Wyvern Knight instant promotion+Speedwings on Cormag. On topic: I think Tear Ring Saga's Lee might be underrated. Sure, Narron's a hardass, but Lee has the defence staff (may as well be a prf), and has really decent bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 noone else really wants a speedwings. I mean seriously, it's fe8. The ONLY exceptions I can think of (my knowledge on this is a little outdated) is an LTC run in Ephraim route. Wyvern Knight instant promotion+Speedwings on Cormag. Doesn't change the fact that speedwings are one of the most useful stat boosters. Also, I see Garcia as a relatively poor use of a Hero Crest compared to Gerik or Joshua. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 12 Spd with a pair of Speedwings is nothing worth bragging about. He can KO joke enemies but that's not doubling anything not losing AS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Sword Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Promotion gains and a Speedwing would only put Garcia at 11 Speed. At least he has a decent speed base as far as fighters go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB44 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Garcia really isn't a unit I would consider to be underrated. He's basically the same as Gilliam where he is somewhat useful for the first portion of the game but falls off quickly at the route split. Even then he will always have defensive issues, and combining that with poor speed, he's going to be hit severely and often by anything that isn't a lance user. Other units demand the speedwings and Ross can easily catch up and surpass him by the the first fog of war map as a pirate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobrek Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 It seems FE9 Lethe is hugely underrated. In my playthroughs of that game she is always a powerhouse in all stages of the game and never needs any extra BEXP or stat enhancers. Yeah, there is the transformation gauge but she enters kitty form turn 1 and by the time she untransforms most things are dead. Most people also seem to consider Elincia bad, but she always caps magic quickly and has canto powers so she is always one of my physic units. I also consider Lyn to be the best FE7 lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I don't think Lethe has ever been underrated. Like you said, she transforms ever since Turn 1. Her bases are pretty good, and even manage to make her good in Maniac Mode (she 1RKO's there...), her growths are great and later she can nab a Demi Band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Bartre really does suck guys sorry. Even if he gets his 1 speed proc, he's still too slow to double just about anything- his Spd growth isn't good enough to counteract his very low base given the lack of Exp available. Edited June 4, 2015 by -Cynthia- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMikey Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) I always thought a lot of the armor knights were overlooked due to their low Mov; Oswin (FE7) and Dashin (FE5) come to mind. Part of it might be due to units like Bors from FE6 who genuinely suck. Edited June 4, 2015 by TheCosmicDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobrek Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) I don't think Lethe has ever been underrated. Like you said, she transforms ever since Turn 1. Her bases are pretty good, and even manage to make her good in Maniac Mode (she 1RKO's there...), her growths are great and later she can nab a Demi Band. Well, nobody has said she is bad or anything just I have always thought of her has one of PoR's best units, for the reasons listed, and most people just seem to not mention her or label her as fine when discussing PoR. Edited June 4, 2015 by Hobrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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