Jedi Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) ZeRo who is pretty much one of the absolute best players of Smash 4 decided to do a small video series on what he thinks the tier list looks like currently. He states its even his opinion, and that it may not be right, but here we go. Top https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omU3zzwIMlw High Mid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5vl2gtLQuc Now he's gone off tournament results and his own experience. Characters who didn't reach it up to mid even he admits it's partly due to lack of dedicated players trying to learn their best options and just simply results not always going in their favor. His list at a glance is. S Tier: Sheik, Rosalina, Luigi, Pikachu A+ Tier: Diddy, Ness, Mii Brawler, Sonic A- Tier: Villager, Fox, Zero Suit Samus, Mario B+ Tier: Olimar, Captain Falcon, Yoshi, Pit/Dark Pit, Wario C+ Tier: ROB, Palutena, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, Meta Knight, Kirby, Greninja C- Tier: Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr., Mega Man, Little Mac, Lucario, Shulk, Bowser Low and Bottom Tiers (not in order): Peach, Game and Watch, Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Samus, Marth, Ike, Robin, King Dedede, Falco, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Wii Fit Trainer, Dr Mario, Lucina, Mewtwo, Mii Gunner and Mii Swordfighter Edited June 11, 2015 by Jedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 He thinks Luigi is the third best character in the game?! Well holy moly. o.o I still think Ike belongs in C- or C+ tier, but otherwise, looks alright to me. I only know a lot about a few characters, so yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) He thinks Luigi is the third best character in the game?! Well holy moly. o.o I still think Ike belongs in C- or C+ tier, but otherwise, looks alright to me. I only know a lot about a few characters, so yeah. I'd actually place Ike where Bowser is myself. My personal disagreements are that I feel Tink should be higher, and that Fox, Olimar and Mac should be lower. Edited June 11, 2015 by Jedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Been watching these. If there's any single person whom I'd trust their opinion on a tier list, it's probably ZeRo. His list seems pretty solid and he backs it all up pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Given the evidence the list is based on, it's hard to disagree with it. The best characters perform the best at tournaments. Only issue I have is that Peach should be higher (mid tier). But she doesn't win that frequently so I can see why she's near the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Regarding Peach, I have a feeling ZeRo will say something along the lines of believing she could be higher but that she doesn't have results/no one really notable is playing her. She, Robin, and Wii Fit Trainer are the ones in his lower tiers that I could see being mid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jave Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The funny thing is, pretty much the general consensus is that all the Fire Emblem characters are low tier. All Roy needs is to be mid tier and he's the best Fire Emblem character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami922 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The funny thing is, pretty much the general consensus is that all the Fire Emblem characters are low tier. All Roy needs is to be mid tier and he's the best Fire Emblem character. Roy is in C-Tier, also, he's not a Fire Emblem character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 Regarding Peach, I have a feeling ZeRo will say something along the lines of believing she could be higher but that she doesn't have results/no one really notable is playing her. She, Robin, and Wii Fit Trainer are the ones in his lower tiers that I could see being mid.Peaches main issue is her lack of good ko options, she can combo and rack up damage all day (take this from a part Peach main). I mean sure I can get Ko's with some of her smashes and up air and fair, its just oddly hard to make them guaranteed. Sometimes I build up someone's rage and they just Ko me because I can't quite finish the job.Its quite irritating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Hm, Peach isn't one I tend to find myself having a hard time killing with, at least not anymore than other characters. Her float helps her edge guard and a back throw at the edge can kill moderately early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 Maybe I just need to play her differently then I have been. I'm so used to floating just to build up damage lol. I think I'm too used to her Melee and Brawl iterations still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I main Pit, and I suppose ZeRo's placement of him is accurate. I would have thought he'd be a little lower though. I still think Pit is better than Dark Pit though, mainly because Palutena's Bow is much more versatile, f-tilt is a better get-out-of-my-face move, and Upperdash Arm can actually KO at reasonable percents on average sized characters. It's true that Pit is a character based on how well you make decisions, but ZeRo doesn't mention that almost all of Pit's moves that SHOULD be useful are, in fact, rather laggy. Palutena's Bow has horrible end lag, fair and dair have some start up, and f-tilt is a bit slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I can remember that Peach could even oneshot an opponent with her parasol on small stages like Brinstar. "Parasol-Spamming" was pretty fun. In general how can an improved character like her get so much worse in the tierlist? I'll never understand these tierlists... Tbh I never ever gave a shit on these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 I main Pit, and I suppose ZeRo's placement of him is accurate. I would have thought he'd be a little lower though. I still think Pit is better than Dark Pit though, mainly because Palutena's Bow is much more versatile, f-tilt is a better get-out-of-my-face move, and Upperdash Arm can actually KO at reasonable percents on average sized characters. It's true that Pit is a character based on how well you make decisions, but ZeRo doesn't mention that almost all of Pit's moves that SHOULD be useful are, in fact, rather laggy. Palutena's Bow has horrible end lag, fair and dair have some start up, and f-tilt is a bit slow. Pit's really fun, but yeah he has some lag, although accounting for that isn't SUPER hard. I suppose it just matters on the situation. I can remember that Peach could even oneshot an opponent with her parasol on small stages like Brinstar. "Parasol-Spamming" was pretty fun. In general how can an improved character like her get so much worse in the tierlist? I'll never understand these tierlists... Tbh I never ever gave a shit on these. Tierlists are mostly just results/opinions based. Smash 4 is a bit of a beast to tackle because patches and new characters coming in. (Heck we have one coming in 2 days). You can ignore them if you aren't really competitive, and heck the lists change from results, thats partly why i'm hoping when I get to AZ I can change some opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Very bad tier list imo. But it's his opinion. Peach and TL should definetely be higher but US results for them are basically nonexistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) zero is probably the best smash 4 player, but not the smartest. saying stuff like "oh i'm the leading force in falcon's metagame" proves that. with that said, i don't trust him that much. Maybe I just need to play her differently then I have been. I'm so used to floating just to build up damage lol.I think I'm too used to her Melee and Brawl iterations still. Edited June 12, 2015 by Comet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 Dabuz has his own idea of a list. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHUin2cWwAExPX4.png:large Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Wow, someone that DIDN'T put Mii Swordsman at the very last spot. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnkern Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) granted this is a customs-on tier list otherwise i cant see shulk and robin (shulk moreso) being that low. actually even with customs on i cannot for the life of me see shulk being that low. Edited June 19, 2015 by cnkern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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