rinshiiya Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'm personally hesitant to cry out 'spoiler' in regards to Garon & Mikoto joining you. there's no context so I'm not particularily worrying about how spoilery it is too much right now, though I suppose I can see where people are coming from by saying they feel spoiled. (on the other hand, I'm on the side of 'I love spoilers' so lol) my question is how & why do they join you. if, like others have said, this turns into a Walhart scenario I admit I will be more than slightly salty about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysander Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Or there's a second decision. Kamui is default 3rd oldest for both families and thus not actually in line for the throne. Maybe after you've murdered all of the opposing side's children you have the option to betray your current family and join up as the eldest living child? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DualMix Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Garon and Mikoto being playable on both sides does not make any logical sense whatsoever. This has to be a translation error otherwise they better have a VERY good reason for them joining forces other than the "There is a bigger threat, so we must join forces" cliché. That'd be the third path, most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Sigh... so many pages and so little new information learned... I'm calling it now, the Blue Maid is the true villain of both routes. That's why they refuse to reveal any information on her. I think people need to calm down about the Garon/Mikoto thing. The two most likely reasons for this are A. They are both playable in the pre-route split chapters, or B They are spotpass characters (shiver). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neofranky Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 About the Garon/Mikoto thing... they could always be lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'm in the "it's a mistake" boat. In the same issue, there's an erroneous text box about the Fire Emblem Cipher, plus somebody trying to tap Marth's Amiibo with a Wii U to unlock content in this game... Meanwhile, a previous issue said "effective hits triple damage", which seems unlikely given the example of Tsubaki getting shot down in a prior issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Scientist Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Given the context, by the time they wise up, you've probably killed all your siblings on the opposing side anyways. Or injured them to the point they can't fight. But yah, right now I see two possible scenarios for both Garon and Mikoto joining both routes: A) Late game, after the "real threat" is revealed. By that time, other siblings can't join because of see above. B) Depending on route, one or both of them only join in a limited fashion, for specific chapters and what not. Think of a certain character from Radiant Dawn. I'm confused by this info still, but if it's accurate, it does bring up one hope for me, which is that there may be more to Garon than just "Muahahahahaahhaha I'M EVIL MAUAUAUAAUAUAA" like he seems like so far. A more nuanced villain might be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folt Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Everything we thought we knew has been shot down, and we go blindly into the big yonder. We do not know where the stories will go, and we have no idea what will happen! Everything beyond the choice is a big question mark now, and I'm loving every second of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywolfe Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Everything we thought we knew has been shot down, and we go blindly into the big yonder. We do not know where the stories will go, and we have no idea what will happen! Everything beyond the choice is a big question mark now, and I'm loving every second of it! This. This, so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade M. Caldwell Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 But if Garon is recruitable. Do we get Garon in the Bathhouse?Garon in the bathhouse, let's just let that sink in.And facerubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEfan12 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 But based on what we know so far, Garon's main goal is to completely crush Hoshido so why would he join forces with them? Especially after you've presumably killed most if not all of the Hoshido siblings and their subordinates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egobarrier Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Like Vincent said, Famitsu makes mistakes. It's nothing new. Any number of scenarios could have led to that. For example, maybe they didn't have any symbol denoting which game they were recruited in, and whoever was making the chart misunderstood that to mean "both" rather than "neither." That's not to say Garon and Mikoto couldn't be recruitable, even in both paths, but if they are (and it's not on Chapter 7 or something) Nintendo likely wouldn't have Famitsu reveal that kind of information. Even if they do turn out to be recruitable I won't view this as a spoiler, just an amusing coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Griffin Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) ^^^^^This!!! Edited June 17, 2015 by Iron Griffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Scientist Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 One interesting possibility that just came to me involves Aqua. We've seen a whole lot about how Kamui is viewed by both the Hoshido and the Nohr, but we know practically nothing about Aqua. The very first trailer showed her dancing in Garon's thrown room. Perhaps Garon still has some affection for Aqua (perhaps she was even his favored child before being kidnapped.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Griffin Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Perhaps her kidnapping occurred first and Garon retaliated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywolfe Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Perhaps her kidnapping occurred first and Garon retaliated? That's what I assumed to be the main idea of Kamui's kidnapping, child for child, but I don't exactly remember where I got that assumption from... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinshiiya Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Perhaps her kidnapping occurred first and Garon retaliated? I always thought that Kamui was taken first & then Hoshido retaliated & took Aqua. however, maybe that was what my own mind conjured. thinking about it now, I don't recall it ever being stated who was taken first, just that their situations are similar. but then this poses the question: if Hoshido is so goody-goody, why would they initiate a kidnapping? my distrust for Hoshido strengthens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Scientist Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 *Wild speculation/fanfic mode on* I can see it now. Hoshido is winning the war. Kamui has killed all his adopted siblings, Garon's forces are shattered, and he retreats into his castle to brood and await the end. But the real enemy is revealed, distracting Hoshido from eliminating Garon, and something happens to Kamui, either he goes berserk or is captured. And Aqua realizes that there is a way to save/rescue him... with Garon's help. So she secretly sneaks into the castle and approaches him. Garon: "Who is there? Oh. *Hmmp!* I didn't expect it would be you they'd send to kill me." Aqua: "Hello, father. I am not here to kill you." Garon: "Is that so? Tell me something. We treated Kamui as family. Gods know his siblings dotted on him and were too soft hearted with him. I was stern, but no more so than with my blood children. You, on the other hand, were treated by the Hoshido as nothing but a tool. You were never loved, never respected, and never viewed as family. How is it then that it was not you joining Kamui to fight for the Nohr? Why was it the other way around?" Aqua: "Kamui betrayed Nohr because what you were doing was wrong. And I stayed with Hoshido for Kamui's sake. That is all." Garon: "It's that simple?" Aqua: "Yes. And it is for Kamui's sake that I am here now." Garon: "Ohhh. So the rumors are true. Little brat got himself in trouble. I can't say I'm displeased. Tell me girl, what makes you think that I would lift a finger to help Kamui? The boy murdered all my children. I want him to suffer and die painfully." Aqua: "What makes me think you'll help? Because all your children are not dead, yet. You have one left. And I am going to try and save Kamui, with or without your help. But without it, I will almost certainly fail. And then, all your children will be dead." Garon: "!!!" Aqua: "I don't have time to argue. I am leaving to help Kamui now. Come with me if you will, or stay here and wait to die. It's your choice." Garon: "You! ...damn you, girl." After this, when Garon/Aqua save Kamui, the Hoshido will be horrified that Aqua brought Garon into it, but slightly accepting because it worked. And then you will be given the choice of either executing Garon on the spot, or sparing his life. If you spare his life, Garon will mock you, asking you if you think you're showing mercy by letting him live, but you'll respond that no, you know that it is no mercy for him to continue to live after all that has happened, which will cause him to mutter about how you're finally learning. And then he will continue to fight on your side, for Aqua's sake, against the real final villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveangaline Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Maybe the reason both parents are listed for both routes is because they join you temporarily at the beginning. First chapter Garon is a unit and gives you the tutorial to fight, and it's sort of a "yes child show me the combat you've learned." thing And in chapter 4 or something when you spend time with Hoshido after getting there you spend a chapter with the queen as she explains more complex stuff to you about team up and other stuff. So technically no matter what path you end up choosing, they joined before that even happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Respite&Nepenthe Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 So, is the recruitable rulers all it said that's new? (And probably a mistake) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Scientist Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 So, is the recruitable rulers all it said that's new? (And probably a mistake) It also talks about support conversations a little, but we're waiting on a translation for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missiletainn Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Has anyone translated what Asama's and Setsuna's personal skills are (just not sure if I missed it)? Also I saw something saying Asama described as mountaineer? So I'm guessing he's named after Mount Asama. He's got a great design though, don't think I commented on it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyanko Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Has anyone translated what Asama's and Setsuna's personal skills are (just not sure if I missed it)? Also I saw something saying Asama described as mountaineer? So I'm guessing he's named after Mount Asama. He's got a great design though, don't think I commented on it yet. He really does. I especially like his armor when he promotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Toast Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Speculation on recruitable Garon/Mikoto aside, my favourite part of this week's Famitsu is probably the caption for the screenshot with Sakura on page 116. "Skinship in your room. With your own sister. Skinship with your sister in your bedroom." Even Famitsu's editors couldn't resist the urge to poke fun at the amie feature. Has anyone translated what Asama's and Setsuna's personal skills are (just not sure if I missed it)? Asama's personal skill causes any enemy that attacks him from an adjacent space when he is unarmed to take half of the damage inflicted to Asama. Setsuna's skill multiplies healing received from stave users by 1.5. Edited June 17, 2015 by Icy Toast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missiletainn Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Asama's personal skill causes any enemy that attacks him from an adjacent space when he is unarmed to take half of the damage inflicted to Asama. Setsuna's skill multiplies healing received from stave users by 1.5. Awesome. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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