Zkirsche Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I just voted. Only notable problems are ZSS too high and Palutena too low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misses Elise-chan! Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Just voted, Kirby should be higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 I told a horrible lie, the second list has a few changes around the top. Luigi seems to have jumped up a little! In other news, F tier still suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Ike dropped several spots. :( How's that possible after the most recent patch? Luigi went up though, so that's cool. ^^ Edited June 29, 2015 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Ike dropped several spots. :( How's that possible after the most recent patch? Remember, this is Serenes Forest's tier list. Common sense need not apply. Is Dr. Mario really that much worse than Mario? Three tiers difference seems a bit... exaggerated to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingddd Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Remember, this is Serenes Forest's tier list. Common sense need not apply. Is Dr. Mario really that much worse than Mario? Three tiers difference seems a bit... exaggerated to me. No the tier list isn't exaggerated for Dr. Mario. I'm a Mario main and despite him being better than Mario in melee, he is too slow in Smash 4. His recovery is god awful compared to Mario, his weight prevents him from ever coming back on the stage, despite having the similar movesets and the Mario tornado back. Off stage playing is also too risky for him and it makes it difficult to comeback on the stage because of it. Mario has fast combos and can dish out amazing damage with decent enough speed. I've had better success experiences playing with regular Mario than Dr Mario if at all ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 Remember, this is Serenes Forest's tier list. Common sense need not apply. Both lists are post-patch, so there's no reason why any buffs Ike got would move him on the second list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Oh, I thought the first list was before the recent patch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Oh, I thought the first list was before the recent patch... If it was, Ryu, Roy and Lucas wouldn't have been on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 If it was, Ryu, Roy and Lucas wouldn't have been on it. Oh yeah, I forgot that they came with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 No, the tier list isn't exaggerated for Dr. Mario. His recovery is god awful compared to Mario, his weight prevents him from ever coming back on the stage, despite having similar movesets and the Mario Tornado back. Off stage playing is also too risky for him and it makes it difficult to comeback on the stage because of it. Mario has fast combos and can dish out amazing damage with decent enough speed. I've had better success experiences playing with regular Mario than Dr Mario if at all ever. I still play as Dr. Mario occasionally. Maybe it's because I can't FLUDD, maybe it's because I like high-risk/high-reward characters, or maybe it's because I like to cosplay as Italian doctors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingddd Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I still play as Dr. Mario occasionally. Maybe it's because I can't FLUDD, maybe it's because I like high-risk/high-reward characters, or maybe it's because I like to cosplay as Italian doctors. I use FLUDD quite frequently, in fact it's great for throwing off the opponents. A lot of people underestimate Smash 4 Mario's Fludd considering the buffs it has gotten is way better than in Brawl. I've used it many times to spike off or cape opponents and it can really screw up their recoveries because of it. Dr Mario's high risk and high reward especially for offstage playing is unfortunately not worth it for what you're going for considering Mario's abilities to do that is much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uDfcSn_114 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN9B6IcYkUA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Dr Mario's high risk and high reward especially for offstage playing is unfortunately not worth it for what you're going for considering Mario's abilities to do that is much better. Have you ever considered that Dr. Mario is, you know, not supposed to go offstage? With Dr. Mario, you gotta rack up damage (because he deals more), and kill 'em with a smash attack. I do see why he's worse though, now. He's slower, AND has worse recovery, AND can't gimp people like Mario can. BUT... his attacks do more damage. Is it a worthy tradeoff? I guess the answer is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingddd Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Have you ever considered that Dr. Mario is, you know, not supposed to go offstage? Yes and that is his unfortunate biggest weakness. In every smash game, offstage games are key for majority of the competitive games as denying your opponents from ever coming back can completely change the outcome. If I don't have that extra option then I am gimping myself from doing what other majority of the casts excels at. Not to mention recoveries in Brawl and Smash 4 are insanely good making those kill potentials pretty useless using smash attacks. Flexibility and having many options to maneuver around is what makes those characters in the top tier list so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I hope people can see Ike got buffed significantly and that Pac Man and DK shouldn't be so low but whatevs :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Ike got buffs in almost every patch so far, I think, now that I think about it. :P We need a new meme: Employee: So Mr. Sakurai, what should we include in the latest Smash Bros. patch? Sakurai: Buff Ike, of course! Then whatever you feel is needed, yeah! lol XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Ike got buffs in almost every patch so far, I think, now that I think about it. :P We need a new meme: Employee: So Mr. Sakurai, what should we include in the latest Smash Bros. patch? Sakurai: Buff Ike, of course! Then whatever you feel is needed, yeah! lol XD Yeah it amazes me, Ike definitely was like low/bottom material and I say that as he was one of my mains in like the first version of the game. Now he's for sure mid if not better, Zard, Marth and some others got decent buffs too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Yeah, same here. But hey, I'm not complaining, of course. ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Yeah Ike is Mid tier at worst and bottom High at best. Has alot at his disposal now with his air game, kill potential, and follow ups from grabs. His dash buff is pretty killer too. Edited July 6, 2015 by LordTaco42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Considering that a new patch recently came out, it might be an idea to create a new list! I'm going to give people a couple of days to adjust to the new patch, otherwise we'll just be rehashing the old one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Yeah lets change things up and allow revotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 Cool, it's been a couple of days since the patch, so I've cleared the responses! Please reinput your opinions based on the new patch! I'll compile the results after we get some responses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Silver Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I don't know about Roy being that high... he lacks a projectile, and while I could say that for those close-by, such as Sonic, Sonic's kill moves come out rather fast... But at the same time, Roy has MULTIPLE ways to kill, so much that it's hard to predict, so... meh, maybe it's because I haven't seen his full potential yet, I 'unno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Resubmit! I wanna see the new results Check the OP for the new page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I revoted. I wanna see a new list too. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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