Fire Emblem Fates Classes Thread

[goodperson707]

I was noticing something when looking at the maximum weapon ranks for the classes. Both beaststone using classes are able to attain S rank with their stone, and Corrin who is the only one able to use dragonstones (if someone else can use them please don't tell me. I'm trying to stay spoiler free.) can't. Could Corrin have a third path promotion which allows them to gain S rank with dragonstones? It seems kind of weird to me that the other transforming characters can attain S rank with their transforming stone, and Corrin can't.

^ Corrin most likely does not have a third path promotion rather getting to choose dark or white blood, but i don't see why Corrin should get an S rank, Corrin has access to swords and Staves or tomes as well as Stones, amd S ranks are for single weapon classes if there is one. And being the only one to use dragon-stones means that the best stone/s can be made A rank, all the A rank max does is lower the weapon rank bonus, which i feel should be exclusive to the promoted wolves or foxes depending on route as that is their only weapons so of course they are better at it.

[Thor Odinson]

I mean hell, Kamui only know how to dragon since like, chapter 5? 6? Meanwhile Garou/Fox have been doing it for their entire lives

[Honey Bunny]

^ Corrin most likely does not have a third path promotion rather getting to choose dark or white blood, but i don't see why Corrin should get an S rank, Corrin has access to swords and Staves or tomes as well as Stones, amd S ranks are for single weapon classes if there is one. And being the only one to use dragon-stones means that the best stone/s can be made A rank, all the A rank max does is lower the weapon rank bonus, which i feel should be exclusive to the promoted wolves or foxes depending on route as that is their only weapons so of course they are better at it.

Maids/Butlers, and Jonin both get two weapon types with one of them being S rank. The idea that Corrin just gets to choose between the other two promotions is honestly kind of disappointing. Although it does make sense. Wait, no, actually thinking about it I don't think it does make sense. I mean if you look at the description for the promotions it says that they carry the heart of their nation. How can you be a super-patriot if you aren't even fighting for that country.

I mean hell, Kamui only know how to dragon since like, chapter 5? 6? Meanwhile Garou/Fox have been doing it for their entire lives

Fair. Isn't master sealing supposed to unlock your potential, or something like that? That's what I remember reading anyhow. It could unlock all their dragon potential upon promotion.

[Othin]

Third Path Corrin gets a new Yatogami upgrade path that combines the benefits of both the Hoshido and Nohr upgrade paths. It would make a lot of sense for Corrin to also get a new class, potentially one that functions as a Dragonstone specialist.

[goodperson707]

Maids/Butlers, and Jonin both get two weapon types with one of them being S rank. The idea that Corrin just gets to choose between the other two promotions is honestly kind of disappointing. Although it does make sense. Wait, no, actually thinking about it I don't think it does make sense. I mean if you look at the description for the promotions it says that they carry the heart of their nation. How can you be a super-patriot if you aren't even fighting for that country.

Fair. Isn't master sealing supposed to unlock your potential, or something like that? That's what I remember reading anyhow. It could unlock all their dragon potential upon promotion.

1 what Thor Odinson said, 2 What do you think "Single weapon using class if there is one" means. And guess what there already is a stone using exclusive class to get The S rank, 2 in fact, but they are path exclusive and counterparts. And for the third Path, I thought you did not want spoilers so how do you know what the plot will be?

[Honey Bunny]

1 what Thor Odinson said, 2 What do you think "Single weapon using class if there is one" means. And guess what there already is a stone using exclusive class to get The S rank, 2 in fact, but they are path exclusive and counterparts. And for the third Path, I thought you did not want spoilers so how do you know what the plot will be?

Ahh, sorry, I guess I didn't see that part of your post. I'll be more careful next time. EDIT #2: Wait I just realized that that doesn't deal with my Jonin assertion. Their S rank is kunai, and they get B rank swords.

I don't really think that the two beaststone users quite cut it though. I mean every other weapon in the game gets an S rank, but dragonstones, and just saying, 'Well both beaststones, and dragonstones have stone in the name. Therefore one counts as the other.' quite cut it for me.

I have absolutely zero clue what the plot is like for any path, but the promotional material before the game came out made it seem like the third path was just cutting yourself from both nations. If that isn't true then you can tell me I'm just talking out of my ass, and I'll stop arguing the point.

EDIT: I really hope I don't come across as rude. I apologize if I do, and that was not my intention.

Edited June 29, 2015 by Honey Bunny

[goodperson707]

^ i don't know enough on the plot, but it isn't quite separating ties entirely. On the Jonin thing i don't quite get what you are trying to say, there is no promoted Kunai only class, so Jonin gets the S rank, most likely because it only promotes from a Kunai using class unlike butler/maid and puppeteer, which is promoted from a staff class or is an option for another class respectively. And for the other S ranks there is only S ranked weapons for the side of the class which had it. Ie there is no S rank sword but there is a S rank Katana. Plus the S rank for dragon stones is meaningless besides getting the S rank bonus, or a S rank weapon, but with the limited amount of dragon stones and with the Yato a S rank dragonstone is not necessary, really the only other reason is for flavour reasons, but keeping it at A because Corrin has 3 weapons is flavour as well and keeps with the rest of the game better.

Edit

I also apologize if i sounded rude that was not my intention either,

Edited June 29, 2015 by goodperson707

[Honey Bunny]

^ i don't know enough on the plot, but it isn't quite separating ties entirely. On the Jonin thing i don't quite get what you are trying to say, there is no promoted Kunai only class, so Jonin gets the S rank, most likely because it only promotes from a Kunai using class unlike butler/maid and puppeteer, which is promoted from a staff class or is an option for another class respectively. And for the other S ranks there is only S ranked weapons for the side of the class which had it. Ie there is no S rank sword but there is a S rank Katana. Plus the S rank for dragon stones is meaningless besides getting the S rank bonus, or a S rank weapon, but with the limited amount of dragon stones and with the Yato a S rank dragonstone is not necessary, really the only other reason is for flavour reasons, but keeping it at A because Corrin has 3 weapons is flavour as well and keeps with the rest of the game better.

Edit

I also apologize if i sounded rude that was not my intention either,

I'm not quite sure what you mean either. When I saw that part of the sentence I thought you meant that only classes with weapons that don't attack qualify for S rank + another weapon. Now I have no clue what you mean.

In the third path there could be more powerful S rank stones though, and flavor seems like a good enough reason for S rank to me. As you note the other two promotions gain their weapons based on flavor, so why not give the third path the same love? If you could, would you mind explaining what you mean on "keeps with the rest of the game better"?

[goodperson707]

It keeps with the rest of the game because there is only one class with a S rank per weapon type in the game besides for the wolves/foxes and a dlc class.

And i meant weapons as in including staves. So i meant there is only one S rank and that S rank goes to the class that only uses that weapon first, and if there isn't a class that only uses that weapon it goes to the class that fits the most. Because there is already a S rank stone class that means Corrin doesn't get it. And Corrin's class getting S ranks in a weapon type that already has a S rank user goes against the point of exclusive S ranks, the wolves/foxes only uses stones so of course they are better at it then Corrin. And on the differences between beast stones and dragon stones? I don't know much but from my understanding... Spoilers on this one so i don't want to get into it.

[Honey Bunny]

It keeps with the rest of the game because there is only one class with a S rank per weapon type in the game besides for the wolves/foxes and a dlc class.

And i meant weapons as in including staves. So i meant there is only one S rank and that S rank goes to the class that only uses that weapon first, and if there isn't a class that only uses that weapon it goes to the class that fits the most. Because there is already a S rank stone class that means Corrin doesn't get it. And Corrin's class getting S ranks in a weapon type that already has a S rank user goes against the point of exclusive S ranks, the wolves/foxes only uses stones so of course they are better at it then Corrin. And on the differences between beast stones and dragon stones? I don't know much but from my understanding... Spoilers on this one so i don't want to get into it.

What class is more fitting of S rank dragonstones than the only class that uses them?...Ahh, I see now, spoilers. I wish this argument could've come to a proper understanding, but my aversion to spoilers prevents that. For now we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I guess we'll find out for sure in a few months.

By the way if I'm right expect some serious gloating. :D

[Rawkstar]

I find it ironic that the examples you picked aren't fully exclusive, mercenary is a parallel seal option for 3 of the shared characters (Gunter/Felicia and Silas) for Hoshido and samurai is available to at least Kaze and odin for Nohr (Izana yukimura and Fugga also have the class and i think Izana is available in Nohr) Some classes are exclusive of course but i think there are only 2-3 maybe 4 base classes per route well at least for hoshido classes, and some share promotions i believe. (I don't really count the shifters)

^Really who is your fighter? I thought the thief guy who had it was Nohr only?

Apologies, I don't own either game and I'm trying my best to avoid spoilers so I was just saying what I assumed to be true. Nice to hear that they aren't entirely exclusive, but still a very odd choice I feel. When I wrote the post I just used the first two that came to mind. The fact that the page on serene's only shows particular classes for each side didn't help.

[goodperson707]

No problem and a few are exclusive i admit but they are mainly Hoshido classes which kinda fits the extra difficulty of Nohr as you have a bit less variety of classes. Plus generics and the third route are there if you really want a missing class. I don't mind it that much,

[Othin]

Okay, what the fuck is a Child Seal? I'm looking at promotion options for Shigure and:

Pegasus Warrior --> Falcon Warrior (Master Seal): HP +2, Str +2, Mag +4, Skl +1, Spd +3, Luck +1, Def +1, Res +3

Pegasus Warrior --> Falcon Warrior (Child Seal): HP +9, Str +10, Mag +7, Skl +10, Spd +12, Luck +10, Def +8, Res +11

Pegasus Warrior --> Golden Kite (Master Seal): HP +1, Str +1, Mag +1, Skl +4, Spd +1, Luck +1, Def +2, Res +1

Pegasus Warrior --> Golden Kite (Child Seal): HP +8, Str +8, Mag +3, Skl +14, Spd +10, Luck +10, Def +7, Res +8

And by continuing to stare at it I seem to be answering my own question in seeing that the Child Seal results in getting promoted level 18 rather than 1. Shigure is at 20 unpromoted currently, so it's not just carrying over. Strange.

Also it gives a bunch of WExp, to mid-C level.

Oh, I see. Level 18 allows two level ups to learn skills. Nope, learned automatically.

Edited June 29, 2015 by Othin

[lysander]

Okay, what the fuck is a Child Seal? I'm looking at promotion options for Shigure and:

Pegasus Warrior --> Falcon Warrior (Master Seal): HP +2, Str +2, Mag +4, Skl +1, Spd +3, Luck +1, Def +1, Res +3

Pegasus Warrior --> Falcon Warrior (Child Seal): HP +9, Str +10, Mag +7, Skl +10, Spd +12, Luck +10, Def +8, Res +11

Pegasus Warrior --> Golden Kite (Master Seal): HP +1, Str +1, Mag +1, Skl +4, Spd +1, Luck +1, Def +2, Res +1

Pegasus Warrior --> Golden Kite (Child Seal): HP +8, Str +8, Mag +3, Skl +14, Spd +10, Luck +10, Def +7, Res +8

And by continuing to stare at it I seem to be answering my own question in seeing that the Child Seal results in getting promoted level 18 rather than 1. Shigure is at 20 unpromoted currently, so it's not just carrying over. Strange.

Also it gives a bunch of WExp, to mid-C level.

Oh, I see. Level 18 allows two level ups to learn skills. Nope, learned automatically.

What are the parent's current levels? Or party average level? Maybe the child seal auto-bumps kids up to speed if you waited forever to do the paralogues?

[Othin]

What are the parent's current levels? Or party average level? Maybe the child seal auto-bumps kids up to speed if you waited forever to do the paralogues?

Parents are Jacob, a LV21 Butler, and Azura, a LV26 Singer.

Most active characters are far below LV18 promoted; only Jacob, Corrin, and Ryoma are at or past it. All four Paralogues I've seen so far where the kid joins with a Child Seal have LV18 promoted enemies, so it seems to be purposeful. They're also the Paralogues where the kids join at LV20, while the other two I've seen have the kids join at LV18.

[Only MU V2]

Err, can Aqua's kids also become Singers?

[Ayra]

Err, can Aqua's kids also become Singers?

They can't (that'd be way too gamebreaking).

[Sylphid]

They can't (that'd be way too gamebreaking).

To be honest, I never really quite understood why having 2-3 dancers/singers/bard is considered that gamebreaking. I agree it's a strong boon to you, but not as OP as it's sometimes made out to be imo.

Sure they can let you use one of your units multiple times, but that's at the expense of having 3 units that are incapable or very bad at protecting themselves.

I would agree if it was possible for them to dance/sing to multiple targets like the herons could, but with 1 target I don't see why multiple dancers couldn't be a thing.

Because of that I find Dancer/Singer not being inheritable class pretty weird

Edited June 29, 2015 by Sylphid

[Azz]

To be honest, I never really quite understood why having 2-3 dancers/singers/bard is considered that gamebreaking. I agree it's a strong boon to you, but not as OP as it's sometimes made out to be imo.

Sure they can let you use one of your units multiple times, but that's at the expense of having 3 units that are incapable or very bad at protecting themselves.

I would agree if it was possible for them to dance/sing to multiple targets like the herons could, but with 1 target I don't see why multiple dancers couldn't be a thing.

Because of that I find Dancer/Singer not being inheritable class pretty weird

The only hing I think would be game breaking s the unlimited XP.

[Bovinian]

The only hing I think would be game breaking s the unlimited XP.

I agree that this is probably the reason there's never 2 or more dancers usable at the same time (since they can dance each other infinitely until they cap their level). Thing is, it's not very hard to reach a situation where you can get unlimited exp on even just one dancer (e.g. all enemies have been eliminated except for a stationary boss), so maybe there's some other reason?

[Sylphid]

The only hing I think would be game breaking s the unlimited XP.

That would be solved by dancers being unable to dance to each other though. I don't know a thing about game coding, but I would imagine that to be pretty easy to handle.

[Only MU V2]

Then what about online recruitables? Can you get Aqua from that?

[Baronriggs]

The text dump provides all the class info from what I saw. I'm still sifting through character profiles, but feel free to take a look.

So I realize that I'm a few days late, but are the characters' bases located in that as well? Or would I need to look elsewhere for that.

[Melee Mewtwo]

Couldn't you marry Aqua to Kaze or some other ninja/samurai, use the marriage seal to make get to her be Puppeteer class, nab the Copycat Puppet skill, and then Parallel Seal back to Singer and use Copycat Puppet for a second Singer?

Edited June 29, 2015 by Melee Mewtwo

[Keaton the wise]

Love Hoshido's classes the most.