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I assume there's no way to make Shino a berserker while also making MU his mom, right

I really like the mods +Str-Def MU gives him, but I'd like it better if he could plop that on to Berserker :x

(obv this would be postgame)

Unfortunately I don't think so. :C

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Would Shino not inherit fighter if MU had it as their secondary class?

I'm pretty sure he'd inherit Kamui's main class, Dark Prince/Princess.

Also as for your Kaze question back, what game are you playing? I assume Hoshido? So you'll get Saizou and Silas for A+. Saizou does nothing. Silas gets him Cavalier. So that'll get... Aegis, Luna, and Diamond Strike as far as useful skills go.

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I'm pretty sure he'd inherit Kamui's main class, Dark Prince/Princess.

Also as for your Kaze question back, what game are you playing? I assume Hoshido? So you'll get Saizou and Silas for A+. Saizou does nothing. Silas gets him Cavalier. So that'll get... Aegis, Luna, and Diamond Strike as far as useful skills go.

Well he only gets Cavalier for a useful A+ anyway, since his Nohr option is Marx

How good is he as a cav, anyway?

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I'm not going to lie, I'm not sure.

As for something to give him, perhaps maybe Wyvern Rider if you want to give him, say, Deadly Breath?

That could be interesting and I do like Wyvern myself. I'll give that a shot.

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Biases aside, which of these two, Hinoka!Matoi or Oboro!Matoi, do you think is better when maxed out? Both get the same core Pegasus/Samurai/Lancer class set, but their mods and pair-up bonuses (C from father, B from mother, A from father, S from mother) differ:

Hinoka!Matoi:

Mods: +1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res

S-rank Pair-up (add this to the class bonus): +1 Spd, +1 Lck, +2 Def, +1 Res

Oboro!Matoi:

Mods: +1 Str, +0 Mag, +4 Skl, +0 Spd, -1 Lck, +5 Def, -1 Res

S-rank Pair-up (add this to the class bonus): +1 Skl, +1 Lck, +3 Def

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Biases aside, which of these two, Hinoka!Matoi or Oboro!Matoi, do you think is better when maxed out? Both get the same core Pegasus/Samurai/Lancer class set, but their mods and pair-up bonuses (C from father, B from mother, A from father, S from mother) differ:

Hinoka!Matoi:

Mods: +1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res

S-rank Pair-up (add this to the class bonus): +1 Spd, +1 Lck, +2 Def, +1 Res

Oboro!Matoi:

Mods: +1 Str, +0 Mag, +4 Skl, +0 Spd, -1 Lck, +5 Def, -1 Res

S-rank Pair-up (add this to the class bonus): +1 Skl, +1 Lck, +3 Def

Honestly, Oboro!Matoi looks better. The slightly better mods in res and luck aren't really worth it.

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Okay, I've mentioned about building an all Maid team in a previous thread for My Castle battles (this will be for Invisible Kingdom route). I'm planning to grab the EXP, Gold, and unlimited weapons DLC as well as the Anna DLC, so the end stats will not matter here. Here is my setup for my first six maid characters for My Castle battles (I'll release the second set in a later date), can anyone give me some advice with my character builds (by the way, all of them are going to be reclassed as Maids as I mentioned earlier):

Mozume:

Husband: male Avatar (with Luck+/Skill- and Rod Knight as secondary class)

Skills: Easy Life, Extravagence, Line of Death, Luna (will be obtained through Logbook via Nohr run where I marry Mozume to Silas), Flamboyant (Basara class via support with Oboro),

Equipment: Silver Kunai, Assassin's Shuriken

Midoriko:

Mother: Oboro

Husbando: Kisaragi

Skills: Hoshido (will marry Kaze to female Avatar to Midoriko in one of my Hoshido runs via Logbook), Flamboyant, Draconic Shield (same with the Hoshido skill), Sun God, Luck Drain (whenever the item to access this skiill is released). Will also obtain Luck +4 via Logbook through Kaze/Azura support, which will be the placeholder for Luck Drain until that is released (yeah, this involves saving Midoriko in Logbook twice).

Equipment: Assassin's Shuriken, Prayer Candle, Kris Knife

She'll access the Maid class via S+ female Kana

Elise:

Husbando: Takumi

Skills: Sun God, Rally Luck (S+ with Sakura), Servant’s Joy, Battle Command, Eastern Heart (will obtain this via S+ support with Azura)

Equipment: Explosive Shuriken

Sakura:

Husbando: Xander

Skills: Same with Elise, except I have Rally Speed instead of Rally Luck on her

Equipment: Silver Kunai, Assassin Shuriken

Will obtain Maid class via S+ support from Elise

Mitama:

Mother: Effie

Husbando: Lutz

Skills: Luna, Renewal, Axebreaker (S+ support from Soleil), Stubbornness, Deadly Breath

Equipment: Silver Kunai, Hard Bread, Kris Knife, Fruit Knife

Nyx:

Husbando: Leo

Skills: Magic Counter (I want to obtain this, but don't know how, I know Logbook has to be done here), Lifetaker, Rally Resistance, Luna, Axebreaker (S+ support from Charlotte).

Equipment: Explosive Shuriken

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Who's a good parent to Matoi (Hoshido only) that isn't a royal or Oboro? I'm planning on a run where Shino marries Matoi, because I like the pair, but I don't want to make them cousins. Oboro's also taped to Takumi forever after I nab some skills off like 3 different people for him.

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Who's a good parent to Matoi (Hoshido only) that isn't a royal or Oboro? I'm planning on a run where Shino marries Matoi, because I like the pair, but I don't want to make them cousins. Oboro's also taped to Takumi forever after I nab some skills off like 3 different people for him.

Luna--Oh wait Hoshido only you say?

Aqua: Str -1 Mag 0 Skl 3 Spd 1 Lck -1 Def 0 Res-1
Felicia: -3 2 2 -1 -1 2 0
Mozume: -1 0 3 -1 0 3 -3
Rinkah: -2 0 0 -1 -1 5 -1
Hana: 0 0 3 0 -2 0 0
Orochi: -1 3 4 -4 -2 1 0
Setsuna: -1 0 3 1 -2 2 -2
Kagerou: 2 0 1 -3 -1 2 0
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Yeah it's a Hoshido run

I know the caps, but unfortunately Tsubaki's caps are painful to deal with. I meant moreso who classwise will benefit Matoi most at that point without giving too much negative speed. I'll take a hard support for Shino if I have to, though.

...Then again, Shino's honestly prolly better off just A supporting with his mom/brother with the set I have in mind.

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Well let's see.. she gets:


Dark Princess from Kamui

Ninja from Kagerou

Bowman from Setsuna

Priestess from Hana

Spellcaster from Orochi

Oni Savage from Rinkah

Rod Knight from Aqua

Bowman from Mozume?

Rod Knight from Felicia


I don't really know what Matoi would benefit from most. Bowman or Oni Savage maybe? Setsuna gives nice speed mods.


You're using Male Kamui right?


if you're using Femui you can have red haired Matoi..

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Well let's see.. she gets:
Whatever from Kamui
Ninja from Kagerou
Bowman from Setsuna
Priestess from Hana
Spellcaster from Orochi
Oni Savage from Rinkah
Rod Knight from Aqua
Bowman from Mozume?
Rod Knight from Felicia
I don't really know what Matoi would benefit from most. Bowman or Oni Savage maybe?
You're using Male Kamui right?
if you're using Femui you can have red haired Matoi..

Female Kamui, but signed up with Ryouma long ago. I do like Tsubaki enough to marry him, but that's for another run.

fuck i just realised shinonome wouldn't be able to get Nohr this run anyway

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Also What other Skill should I give Asyura, or Zero as an Adventurer Class for PvP.?

Adventurer

Skills: Bowfaire

Proximity Shot(DLC if it comes out)

Vantage

???

???

Maybe Sun God, and Servant's Joy.???

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Well let's see.. she gets:
Dark Princess from Kamui
Ninja from Kagerou
Bowman from Setsuna
Priestess from Hana
Spellcaster from Orochi
Oni Savage from Rinkah
Rod Knight from Aqua
Bowman from Mozume?
Rod Knight from Felicia
I don't really know what Matoi would benefit from most. Bowman or Oni Savage maybe? Setsuna gives nice speed mods.
You're using Male Kamui right?
if you're using Femui you can have red haired Matoi..

Mozume!Matoi gets villager. Villager, dark prince(ss), garou and fox spirit can be inherited, just not passed via buddy/marriage seal.

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Unless you're going for Aptitude for Shino's stat gains during the storyline I find that Oboro's kinda strictly superior to Mozume otherwise for being Shino's mom. Slightly better mods, and doesn't waste Mozume's Weapon Master/LoD (gives Herb Merchant, so Extravagance is still there). Gives Ryouma access to Breaking Sky (and Flamboyant, but he likes his avoid to not suck) and Shino a source of Copycat through Puppeteer, as well, and if Ryouma really wanted Bowman over Ninja or Cav for some reasons he can get it off Takumi. If you're going strictly postgame/doesn't care about grinding Oboro can even throw an Ogre Strike over to Shino.

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