General US Politics

[Lord Raven]

The president is already a figurehead. Like Lord Raven said the main thing he can do is vetoing stuff.

Yeah, his other power is pushing for legislation and being a diplomat. I think that's just about it, maybe a few others I haven't accounted for.

I don't really know enough about Pence or Kaine to make a call between them, though.

You should read up on them, Pence is interesting because he's extremely conservative and he fucked up a lot of stuff related to planned parenthood in Indiana. Also he has been largely (read: completely) unsuccessful as a senator.

Kaine is quite American-liberal. They're night and day in their politics.

[Tryhard]

Yeah, his other power is pushing for legislation and being a diplomat. I think that's just about it, maybe a few others I haven't accounted for.

I assume foreign policy would fall under being a diplomat. I understand the concept of the figurehead considering that being the president isn't just being the ruling ultimate authority, but giving away foreign policy responsibilities (like Bush took from Cheney), would qualify it as being much more of a figurehead than otherwise to me. The same for the claims that Trump was offering Kasich.

You should read up on them, Pence is interesting because he's extremely conservative and he fucked up a lot of stuff related to planned parenthood in Indiana. Also he has been largely (read: completely) unsuccessful as a senator.

Kaine is quite American-liberal. They're night and day in their politics.

I know a little, but what I've heard of Kaine is also unflattering, he's for TPP and bank deregulation (wow, great), inconsistent about predatory payday loans, pro-fracking, open to cutting social security. Most people I've seen describe him as a centrist/centrist-right corporate establishment democrat, which is not what I would be for at all. He seems inconsistent on his positions and seems to change some of his views quite often... sort of like Hillary. Granted, Pence is not any better on most of these positions probably.

Still him over Pence, but it isn't exactly a great choice. Just like the main candidates.

Edited September 9, 2016 by Tryhard

[tuvarkz]

@Tryhard: Except that Kasich appears to be a very much sore loser, particularly given how long he stayed in a race he had no chance at winning. Iirc, even RNC rules required that when delegates were unbound, the choices had to be amongst candidates with at least 8 won states, and Kasich barely won Ohio.

[Tryhard]

Like I said, if Kasich's team is not lying. I don't really have any evidence one way or the other because its both Trump's and Kasich's teams word denying what the other says. It seems like a strange lie to make up though, especially since if their story is correct Kasich turned down the offer anyway, but that's as much as I can say.

Edited September 9, 2016 by Tryhard

[Yojinbo]

Then why do people care so much about who the president is?

1.) Because they are told to.

2.) I'm exaggerating somewhat.

[Moblin Major General]

The worst thing about the election is that, should something befall either pair of candidates, Paul Ryan would be President, and I don't know how I'd feel about that.

[CyborgZeta]

I'm really trying to avoid saying stuff since I don't belong here, but I find Kasich's story of "being the most powerful Vice President" pretty ridiculous.

We only have the word of Kasich and his team, neither of whom like Trump at all, and I'm supposed to believe that? Give me a break.

Furthermore, I'd consider the VP even more of a figurehead than the President. The VP's job is mainly to preside over the Senate, and even Joe Biden rarely does that himself.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

The worst thing about the election is that, should something befall either pair of candidates, Paul Ryan would be President, and I don't know how I'd feel about that.

truly that would be a another level of nightmare in itself.

I'm really trying to avoid saying stuff since I don't belong here, but I find Kasich's story of "being the most powerful Vice President" pretty ridiculous.

We only have the word of Kasich and his team, neither of whom like Trump at all, and I'm supposed to believe that? Give me a break.

Furthermore, I'd consider the VP even more of a figurehead than the President. The VP's job is mainly to preside over the Senate, and even Joe Biden rarely does that himself.

not belonging here hasn't stopped me yet, but yeah I trust Kasich about as far as i can trust Ohio, which isn't much given the horror stories i've heard from friends living there, (not to mention my bernie loving friend absolutely hated kasich, as i might've mentioned before)

yeah VP honestly doesn't do much of anything other then become president if president dies, which i do wanna say i bet that has a better chance of happening to Hillary/Kaine then Trump/Pence.

Edited September 9, 2016 by HF Makalov Fanboy Kai

[-Cynthia-]

I think he knew what Aleppo was. Not that I give a crap about Gary Johnson, but I think the media blew it out of proportion and he just didn't have it on recall. Especially since most people would refer to it as "the Syrian Refugee Crisis" and not "Aleppo."

It's not a great moment for Gary Johnson, but probably shouldn't be a dealbreaker. I highly doubt Trump knows what Aleppo is either, but he gets a free pass on not knowing things for some reason.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

It's not a great moment for Gary Johnson, but probably shouldn't be a dealbreaker. I highly doubt Trump knows what Aleppo is either, but he gets a free pass on not knowing things for some reason.

that might be because nobody expects anything from trump.

meanwhile you have this long running politician that stumbled upon a softball question who also calls out trump for not knowing anything about the world.

[-Cynthia-]

that might be because nobody expects anything from trump.

I find it very odd that people have such low expectations of knowledge for the person expected to hold the highest office in the United States.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

I find it very odd that people have such low expectations of knowledge for the person expected to hold the highest office in the United States.

i have to agree with you there, i mean i don't like to think of these people are just figure heads, but there's an alarming amount of people that do.

granted we had people like Duyba Bush who was criticized often for being rather dim in public and in speaking, but he somehow got 2 terms, i dunno how that works entirely but hey, politics.

[Moblin Major General]

I find it very odd that people have such low expectations of knowledge for the person expected to hold the highest office in the United States.

This coming from people who elected winners like James Buchanan, Grover Cleveland (twice), Warren G. Harding, and Jimmy Carter.

[Phoenix Wright]

you guys are forgetting about things like the executive order and stuff. the president is far from a figurehead, but the presidency is also not omnipotent.

[Alertcircuit]

It's not a great moment for Gary Johnson, but probably shouldn't be a dealbreaker. I highly doubt Trump knows what Aleppo is either, but he gets a free pass on not knowing things for some reason.

Gary Johnson forgot/didn't know the name of a critical Syrian city, Trump doesn't know why we don't use nukes. The bar is set very differently.

[Life]

Gary Johnson forgot/didn't know the name of a critical Syrian city, Trump doesn't know why we don't use nukes. The bar is set very differently.

I'm going to challenge you on this idea.

Why can't we use nukes?

[Ansem]

You can't imperialize a razed country

[Life]

You can't imperialize a razed country

But this isn't the age of imperialization. That's come and gone.

[Alertcircuit]

Because nuclear winter makes climate change look like child's play? The scientists say detonating 50-100 nukes would straight up bring us back into the ice age. The modern purpose of nukes is as an intimidation tool, not to actually use them.

[Moblin Major General]

Because nuclear winter makes climate change look like child's play? The scientists say detonating 50-100 nukes would straight up bring us back into the ice age. The modern purpose of nukes is as an intimidation tool, not to actually use them.

Yet we are hesitant to invoke them as a weapon of peace (I don't care if that sounded hypocritical, weapons can be used for peace). If any nuclear conflict came, it would be against the theocracy of Korea and the cult of Kim, which would take at most 3 to obliterate entirely.

[Time the Crestfallen]

I'm going to challenge you on this idea.

Why can't we use nukes?

When would you use a nuke?

[Moblin Major General]

When would you use a nuke?

When a country above its station starts rattling a saber (refer to my previous post on the Theocracy of Korea).

[Ansem]

But this isn't the age of imperialization. That's come and gone.

Neo colonialism is a thing and might as well be imperialism. Look at how the US exploits the Philippines for palm oil.

[Time the Crestfallen]

When a country above its station starts rattling a saber (refer to my previous post on the Theocracy of Korea).

Maybe I missed something, but you're post seems to refer to using them as a deterrent, whereas I'm asking when Right Wing considers it acceptable to actually use one.

[Phoenix Wright]

I'm going to challenge you on this idea.

Why can't we use nukes?

let alone the physical blast of modern nuclear bombs, which can raze entire cities, the lasting effects of these "weapons" can attribute to the end of life on earth permanently. or at least the human race. the physical effects of nuclear weaponry far outweigh any tactical advantage.

diplomatically, the use of nukes is a nation committing suicide.