Yojinbo Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 it's an economic system where the means of production are democratically owned by society instead of privately owned by an elite. In theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Bernie's platform is social democracy, which I wish people weren't constantly conflating with socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 uh guys, socialism isn't "stuff the government does or gives." it's an economic system where the means of production are democratically owned by society instead of privately owned by an elite. socialist movements seek to abolish capitalism. you can't have a "combination of socialism and capitalism."Isn't that more akin to Syndicalism? The democracy I mean. Socialism ideally IIRC aims to guide society away from Capitalism and then have an anarchist society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topazd Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) disregard Edited October 1, 2016 by Topazd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Isn't that more akin to Syndicalism? The democracy I mean. Socialism ideally IIRC aims to guide society away from Capitalism and then have an anarchist society. syndicalism, from what I understand, is the idea that the workplace is a microcosm of society, and a general strike across all the workplaces would bring down the system, and from there society would be organized by worker cooperatives in a horizontal network. so it's more like a tactic for socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 syndicalism, from what I understand, is the idea that the workplace is a microcosm of society, and a general strike across all the workplaces would bring down the system, and from there society would be organized by worker cooperatives in a horizontal network. so it's more like a tactic for socialism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyndicalismNope, apparently. Although I wasn't exactly right either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 "Syndicalism" is also used to refer to the political movement (praxis) and the tactic of bringing about this social arrangement, typically expounded by anarcho-syndicalism and De Leonism. It aims to achieve a general strike, a workers' outward refusal of their current modes of production, followed by organisation into federations of trade unions, such as the CNT. Throughout its history, the reformist section of syndicalism has been overshadowed by its revolutionary section, typified by the Federación Anarquista Ibérica section of the CNT.[2] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Hillary Clinton is imploding with less than 2 months to go. This is glorious. In 49 days, Donald Trump is either voted to be the President of the United States or loses. Both sound amazingly impossible. Edited September 19, 2016 by Deplorable Pepe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 That's why I said not to take too much comfort in the polls 3-4 months out. Still could change in this time but Hillary pretty much blew the lead she had after Trump said some very dumb things. Trump is probably the most beatable candidate in US history and Hillary struggles to do so and is polled to be less trustworthy than Trump , which is pretty pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 That's why I said not to take too much comfort in the polls 3-4 months out. Still could change in this time but Hillary pretty much blew the lead she had after Trump said some very dumb things. Trump is probably the most beatable candidate in US history and Hillary struggles to do so and is polled to be less trustworthy than Trump , which is pretty pathetic.She is less trustworthy than Trump but that's neither here nor there. But she is the politician and should have beaten him easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 But if she loses, it will be everyone's fault but her own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Hillary Clinton is imploding with less than 2 months to go. Pardon me, I'm not American, so I need to ask what has happened. What do you mean by implode? Is it related to the explosions in Manhattan? Edited September 19, 2016 by Thane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Pardon me, I'm not American, so I need to ask what has happened. What do you mean by implode? Is it related to the explosions in Manhattan?Everything.Birtherism. Her reaction to the bombings and CNN blatantly trying to edit material to bash Trump. Her health. The Clinton Foundation. The private server. Nothing she says sounds remotely truthful, even if it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 But if she loses, it will be everyone's fault but her own. Yeah, this election was always the Democrat's to lose. If they do manage to lose, I expect a lot of finger pointing; Bernie, the third-party candidates, you name it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-democrats-should-panic-if-the-polls-still-look-like-this-in-a-week/ Nothing new. Get back to me in a few weeks re: this "implosion". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Person123 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 First debate is in one week, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 First debate is in one week, btw.I'm not convinced that it is a good idea for Hillary to have a debate with Trump.The whole idea is that Trump isn't going to stick to policies. So she can't beat him that way because A) her policies are atrocious and B) this election is not based on them whatsoever. So I can't say with any certainty that Hillary makes any significant change regarding debates. I think her best move at this point would be to refuse to show up because "she refuses to give a platform to 'bigoted white supremicist America'". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-democrats-should-panic-if-the-polls-still-look-like-this-in-a-week/ Nothing new. Get back to me in a few weeks re: this "implosion". Nate Silver has been wrong multiple times in the past, to be fair, including Trump winning the primary. Still, it isn't a mistake to describe the situation as volatile. You know that if Hillary wins, that the legitimacy of the election will continually be questioned afterwards as opposed to when Romney lost (outside of his own camp, who didn't believe they would). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Person123 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I'm not convinced that it is a good idea for Hillary to have a debate with Trump. The whole idea is that Trump isn't going to stick to policies. So she can't beat him that way because A) her policies are atrocious and B) this election is not based on them whatsoever. So I can't say with any certainty that Hillary makes any significant change regarding debates. I think her best move at this point would be to refuse to show up because "she refuses to give a platform to 'bigoted white supremicist America'". There's no way she can skip out on the debate without significant drawback; it would make her look absolutely pathetic, and any excuse would be easy to see through. Her media sycophants would have a very difficult time spinning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 There's no way she can skip out on the debate without significant drawback; it would make her look absolutely pathetic, and any excuse would be easy to see through. Her media sycophants would have a very difficult time spinning it. Pretty much. Regardless of how you think she'd fare in a debate, it'd be much worse for her to not show up at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Person123 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 One other thing to keep in mind: "Assange: I will not reveal the exact date but I can promise you this, I Will Bring Hillary Down Before The Debate Stage On September 26th." Soon we'll see if he can back up his talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-democrats-should-panic-if-the-polls-still-look-like-this-in-a-week/ Nothing new. Get back to me in a few weeks re: this "implosion". (source) The fact that Clinton is suddenly hemorrhaging black voter support is certainly something "new", by my reckoning. It needs to be watched to see if it's just a blip or the start of a trend, obviously though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 One other thing to keep in mind: "Assange: I will not reveal the exact date but I can promise you this, I Will Bring Hillary Down Before The Debate Stage On September 26th." Soon we'll see if he can back up his talk. I doubt we'll see anything before next Monday, but I suspect we'll definitely see some stuff in October. That's the month where everything gets crazy. Whatever he's got, it better be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) Everything. Birtherism. I'm sorry that you have selective reading, but I shouldn't be surprised seeing as this is a trend from your posts in this entire board. Her reaction to the bombings and CNN blatantly trying to edit material to bash Trump.How is CNN remotely relevant, and what the fuck was her reaction, what you posted in the other thread was incoherent (like half the stuff you post) Her health.Which is pristine compared to high cholesterol Oompa Loompa, I'm not sure why we harp on her for that lol The Clinton Foundation.Whether or not there is some sketchiness with the Clinton Foundation, it has done quite a lot, and the Trump Foundation has actually been under investigation. EDIT: But maybe with tax returns we'd know, right? But they don't want to release them because they would detract from the campaign - everything he ever does detracts from the campaign. The private server.Search this thread, because this was refuted. Anything else brought up was simply heresay with very little behind it. Nothing she says sounds remotely truthful, even if it is. https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1206887309404321/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED (this is in response to everyone who says Hillary Clinton is a flip-flop btw) it's amazing people vote for him, because he's arguably more corrupt and much much more of a liar I'm not convinced that it is a good idea for Hillary to have a debate with Trump. The whole idea is that Trump isn't going to stick to policies. So she can't beat him that way because A) her policies are atrocious and B) this election is not based on them whatsoever. So I can't say with any certainty that Hillary makes any significant change regarding debates. I think her best move at this point would be to refuse to show up because "she refuses to give a platform to 'bigoted white supremicist America'". um what the fuck are you talking about She is less trustworthy than Trump but that's neither here nor there. But she is the politician and should have beaten him easily. yes it is this thread is about a presidential campaign that consists of both of them how is hillary less trustworthy than trump Edited September 20, 2016 by Lord Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 yes it is this thread is about a presidential campaign that consists of both of them how is hillary less trustworthy than trump Because Trump speaks out against 'P.C. culture' and 'tells it like it is' is what I imagine the answer would be. He did that at the start of his campaign, so I guess he gets a free pass to lie all he wants now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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